Rumor - McDaniels to be the Browns HC

[Christiancat]

I really like Mr. McDaniels and I would prefer for him to stay with the Pats. I think he has done an excellent job as offensive coordinator for the team. I feel Mr. McDaniels is top level talent in his field. He knows how to make good play calls and build a great offensive scheme for a team. No matter where he chooses to go I know he'll do great. If he leaves to take another position it would be a real tough to get someone as good as Mr. McDaniels. However, I understand Mr. McDaniels has to do what is best for him. Thus, I wish him the best with whatever he chooses to do.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

As we know, Belichick often encourages coaches and players to test the open market to better their personal opportunities and families, but if McDaniels then turned around and attempted to take our potential OC replacement too---that may not go over very well in terms of their relationship, as it would be kind of a back stabbing move. As you said, he certainly could attempt to pry one or both of O'Shea or Daboll, and if that happened I'd assume that we'd be using the one he didn't take. Another thing to consider is that not everyone is going to want to run from a very stable position in N.England to the factory of sadness in Cleveland either, and that may even be true of McDaniels himself.

When Josh left for Denver, he didn't take anyone other than Roman Phifer, which I assume was fine. He learned what not to do from Mangini trying to poach while still being paid by the Patriots.

I can't remember if it was Daniels or O'Brien who asked BB about certain coaches that may not be retained or advance much in the Patriots system and whether they would be okay to approach, but it was done upfront, with BB's blessing, and not a knife in the back a la Mangini.

BTW Factory of sadness is the best Cleveland nickname ever and I hope they create a new logo out of it. But I think one big advantage for Daniels would be Lombardi's presence. One might even wonder if the quick ouster of Chudzinski was related to this.

 

[dales804]

McDaniels to interview on Saturday:

NFL Browns to interview Josh McDaniels - ESPN

 

[Triumph]

Yeah, I'm not understanding that logic either myself.

I suppose it's possible that Triumph was just giving us his opinion overall on the situation, and that didn't necessarily coincide with the quote that he was posting just the same.

The Browns already have their DC lined up before the HC?

You dont understand that Lombardi is connected to BB and that Schwartz is connected to BB.

Hmm, there seems to be a common denominator here.

 

[Triumph]

So because Schwartz is the DC in CLE that means McDaniels is going to CLE? I don't understand why that would be I guess. Mcdaniels was, what, around 17 when BB was coaching the Browns?

Yes, 17. Good reason.

Schwartz is 47 and McDaniels is 37. Mike Nolan was Broncos DC at 50 when McDaniels was the Broncos HC at 33.

Age has nothing to do with it.

 

[MassPats38]

The Browns already have their DC lined up before the HC?

You dont understand that Lombardi is connected to BB and that Schwartz is connected to BB.

Hmm, there seems to be a common denominator here.

This Jason La Canfora article notes Schwartz and the lead candidates (McDaniels included) have the same agent. He opines the Browns want a coach from the college ranks after the Eagles success this year.

I am still a little curious as to why McDaniels would be a front runner last year and decline to pursue the position, yet feel better about it and accept the same job one year later after the team cans a first-year coach.

 

[dales804]

This Jason La Canfora article notes Schwartz and the lead candidates (McDaniels included) have the same agent. He opines the Browns want a coach from the college ranks after the Eagles success this year.

I am still a little curious as to why McDaniels would be a front runner last year and decline to pursue the position, yet feel better about it and accept the same job one year later after the team cans a first-year coach.

I have the same question. McDaniels may very well end up there but I don't see Schwartz being the DC as a hint that he will be.

And Triumph, the point about age is that McDaniels has never worked with Schwartz as far as I know. Their only link is that they both worked under BB at some point.

 

[Gwedd]

This Jason La Canfora article notes Schwartz and the lead candidates (McDaniels included) have the same agent. He opines the Browns want a coach from the college ranks after the Eagles success this year.

I am still a little curious as to why McDaniels would be a front runner last year and decline to pursue the position, yet feel better about it and accept the same job one year later after the team cans a first-year coach.

I can certainly understand Josh doing the interview. It's good practice, and you get a feel for what the other team is looking for, etc.

Having said that, I can't see him leaving New England when he has a good job with an excellent work environment. I especially can't see him heading to an underachieving franchise like Cleveland, even more so with the jackwagons they have in ownership at the moment. The treatment of Chud should be fair warning to anyone considering taking that job if offered.

Anyway, your mileage may vary, but that's how I see things.

 

[Ring 6]

I can certainly understand Josh doing the interview. It's good practice, and you get a feel for what the other team is looking for, etc.

Having said that, I can't see him leaving New England when he has a good job with an excellent work environment. I especially can't see him heading to an underachieving franchise like Cleveland, even more so with the jackwagons they have in ownership at the moment. The treatment of Chud should be fair warning to anyone considering taking that job if offered.

Anyway, your mileage may vary, but that's how I see things.

He's gone.
You don't pass up a HC opportunity because you are an assistant on a good team.
Chudzinski went 4-12. I'm sure most coaches would accept that 4-12 gets you fired. Chudzinski was also a major reach and was hired before the current GM.

 

[Zeus]

Interesting take on the internal politics in the Browns organization.

Turns out that old friend Brian Hoyer was a big bone of contention between the Haslam/Banner/Lombardi and Chudzinski/Turner.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=27061

 

[Gwedd]

Interesting take on the internal politics in the Browns organization.

Turns out that old friend Brian Hoyer was a big bone of contention between the Haslam/Banner/Lombardi and Chudzinski/Turner.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=27061

Interesting bunch of comments after that article too.

In a way, their frustrations in the comments section reminds me of the Pre-Parcells era in New England.

 

[Ring 6]

Interesting take on the internal politics in the Browns organization.

Turns out that old friend Brian Hoyer was a big bone of contention between the Haslam/Banner/Lombardi and Chudzinski/Turner.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=27061

I hate articles like that, because while it is all speculation it seems to be presented as fact. I had to read it a couple of times to discern the difference.

 

[Triumph]

This Jason La Canfora article notes Schwartz and the lead candidates (McDaniels included) have the same agent. He opines the Browns want a coach from the college ranks after the Eagles success this year.

I am still a little curious as to why McDaniels would be a front runner last year and decline to pursue the position, yet feel better about it and accept the same job one year later after the team cans a first-year coach.

1. Hoyer wasnt on the 2012 roster, but is now.
2. The 2014 draft is loaded compared to 2013.
3. Perhaps the Browns are in better cap shape.
4. The Weeden experiment has run its course.
5. Wife and family have a say in these matters.
6. The time and money is right.
7. The GM and ownership is right.

 

[Ring 6]

1. Hoyer wasnt on the 2012 roster, but is now.
2. The 2014 draft is loaded compared to 2013.
3. Perhaps the Browns are in better cap shape.
4. The Weeden experiment has run its course.
5. Wife and family have a say in these matters.
6. The time and money is right.
7. The GM and ownership is right.

Or the answer has already been reported, which it was. Last year McDaniels felt it was too soon to move his wife and 4 kids again.
If you are a coach, you move, but 12 months is pretty quick. No doubt when that happened they discussed how to handle the next opportunity and this is the result.
The fact that he is interviering tells me he is ready to go.
Hoyer has nothing to do with it by the way.

 

[Gwedd]

He's gone.
You don't pass up a HC opportunity because you are an assistant on a good team.
Chudzinski went 4-12. I'm sure most coaches would accept that 4-12 gets you fired. Chudzinski was also a major reach and was hired before the current GM.

I don't accept that answer. He's got a good job in a great environment right now. he's already had a shot at Head Coaching, and considering the snake pit that Cleveland is at the moment, especially with the owner's untrustworthy attitude, he OUGHT to be leery of going there.

besides, titles aren't everything. Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator. Water Boy. if you like your job, are successful at it and have a good working environment, why leave for something unproven?

Family does count for a lot, and Josh ought to think long and hard before uprooting his wife and kids for another long move.

I guess to my mind it boils down to the question: "Is it worth it?"

Considering the state of the Browns, the answer ought to be a resounding "NO!"

 

[Triumph]

I have the same question. McDaniels may very well end up there but I don't see Schwartz being the DC as a hint that he will be.

And Triumph, the point about age is that McDaniels has never worked with Schwartz as far as I know. Their only link is that they both worked under BB at some point.

Belichick regards Schwartz as one of the smartest coaches he has been around, and in recent years, Schwartz has become a candidate for several head coaching jobs. He is almost certain to be a front-runner as positions open this year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/sports/football/23titans.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[Sicilian]

I don't accept that answer. He's got a good job in a great environment right now. he's already had a shot at Head Coaching, and considering the snake pit that Cleveland is at the moment, especially with the owner's untrustworthy attitude, he OUGHT to be leery of going there.

besides, titles aren't everything. Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator. Water Boy. if you like your job, are successful at it and have a good working environment, why leave for something unproven?

Family does count for a lot, and Josh ought to think long and hard before uprooting his wife and kids for another long move.

I guess to my mind it boils down to the question: "Is it worth it?"

Considering the state of the Browns, the answer ought to be a resounding "NO!"

It reminds me of the Peter Principle: People will often be promoted to their level of maximum incompetence. In short, you excel at your job thus facilitating a promotion, until you reach a position where you're in over your head and can't excel anymore. I believe the point of the book that coined the phrase was that companies should look for people with established skills in a position, rather than just promote someone who's actually good at the lower level jobs.

Now, in the NFL, there are plenty of examples of guys that had rough first stints as HC, stepped back to something lower, then succeeded in their next chance (Belichick and Carroll are the two that jump to mind). So it wouldn't be a bad move for McD to try again. But sometimes you have to come to grips with being really good at 1b instead of mediocre at 1a.

 

[dales804]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/sports/football/23titans.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Yes I understand the link between BB and Schwartz.

 

[Deus Irae]

It reminds me of the Peter Principle: People will often be promoted to their level of maximum incompetence. In short, you excel at your job thus facilitating a promotion, until you reach a position where you're in over your head and can't excel anymore. I believe the point of the book that coined the phrase was that companies should look for people with established skills in a position, rather than just promote someone who's actually good at the lower level jobs.

Now, in the NFL, there are plenty of examples of guys that had rough first stints as HC, stepped back to something lower, then succeeded in their next chance (Belichick and Carroll are the two that jump to mind). So it wouldn't be a bad move for McD to try again. But sometimes you have to come to grips with being really good at 1b instead of mediocre at 1a.

Just a nitpick: It took Carroll until NFL HC job 3 to get things going. He was HC of the NYJ as well as of the Patriots prior to heading to USC and then having the success he's having in Seattle.

 

[Zeus]

McDaniels likely has one more shot at a head coaching job. He'll need to assess the opportunity with respect to the prospects of the team itself (current personnel, draft outlook, salary cap situation), the quality and stability of ownership, his compatiblity with others in management, and whether he feels he'll actually be given the time and authority to succeed.

Cleveland has to be appealing because he is from Ohio. But it's not altogether clear that the Browns job is a great fit. He'd be leaving a very stable situation, working with people who have had great success and whom he likes and trusts.

He's still a young guy (37). It's hard for ambitious people to be patient. The smart guys are the ones who never stop learning. Assuming Brady and Belichick remain here for another 4-5 years, he has a chance to continue to develop his knowledge and skills.

Would he be better off staying here or should he take the opportunity now? It's a tough call. I'm a good bit older than Josh, but looking back, I'd say I didn't know nearly as much as I thought I did when I was his age. If it were me, I work with BB as long as I could and put learning ahead of ambition, at least for the time being.