Rumor - McDaniels to be the Browns HC

[JDot]

If McD get's the browns job, how the hell does that work for the Playoff run? Does he stay for it?

 

[supafly]

If McD get's the browns job, how the hell does that work for the Playoff run? Does he stay for it?

Oh yeah, JDot. He'll definitely be staying on until we lose, even if he decides to accept the job.

The problem is that many feel as though it can become a distraction of sorts, even for the most polished professional. We're already hearing of how JMcD is calling around to other assistants to build a coaching staff (or at least see what he'd be potentially working with should he accept). That alone is taking precious time away from any kind of tweaking of the offense he could be using his time for, even if his options are limited until next Monday when they start their formal preparation and know their opponent.

As we all saw with Bill Parcells, he had one foot out the door during the '96 SB run, and some think that he put his priority with his new NYJ team over that of NE's attempt in winning the big game. I'm sure there have been plenty of other examples, although we also saw our DC and OC do well knowing they'd be leaving during the 2004 SB run--so it's just what you personally believe in how it's handled. One thing is for sure--JMcD wouldn't leave before our season is done, but his mind and time may be occupied, and that's the concern.

Some of it is likely a bit of a myth, while a certain percentage may actually hold truth. For all we know, McDaniels may have called around on his lunch break or even on his own personal time today, so I don't mean to insinuate anything. At the same time though, it's certainly a concern shared by many fans.

 

[Salva135]

I think McD would be a terrible hire, but I can understand the thought process. He's basically Belichick's disciple. If you're an owner of a crappy franchise that can't win more than 4-5 games, and you're sitting back and watching the Pats get double-digit wins like clockwork, you want to grab anything that has to do with that. Any guy that checks in in the morning at Gillette to coach the Pats is part of a winning culture, I can totally understand suffering owners wanting to pick them off, even if the track record of BB assistants is bad. Squeeze out some pixie dust if possible, what do you have to lose?

 

[supafly]

I think McD would be a terrible hire, but I can understand the thought process. He's basically Belichick's disciple. If you're an owner of a crappy franchise that can't win more than 4-5 games, and you're sitting back and watching the Pats get double-digit wins like clockwork, you want to grab anything that has to do with that. Any guy that checks in in the morning at Gillette to coach the Pats is part of a winning culture, I can totally understand suffering owners wanting to pick them off, even if the track record of BB assistants is bad. Squeeze out some pixie dust if possible, what do you have to lose?

Agreed.

The thing that puzzles me is how Belichick and McDaniels didn't address this 2 seasons ago when he initially came back here. I'm sure that Belichick is smart enough to realize that people would want to hire him as a HC if the offense kept up even 2/3 of its production under Bill O'Brien.

I would just have expected a scenario where they had some kind of agreement to wait a certain number of years before coming here just to fly off again, but that's just me. It's not like the whole world didn't see McDaniels coming back as our OC, just to have HC jobs thrown at him for our offense staying status quo within a year or two.

 

[DarrylS]

Agreed.

The thing that puzzles me is how Belichick and McDaniels didn't address this 2 seasons ago when he initially came back here. I'm sure that Belichick is smart enough to realize that people would want to hire him as a HC if the offense kept up even 2/3 of its production under Bill O'Brien.

I would just have expected a scenario where they had some kind of agreement to wait a certain number of years before coming here just to fly off again, but that's just me. It's not like the whole world didn't see McDaniels coming back as our OC, just to have HC jobs thrown at him for our offense staying status quo within a year or two.

That is a tough call, would BB stop a trusted assistant from advancing??

Not sure if there is sometype of agreement in place... I always thought that McDaniels was next in line for the throne.

As bad as Cleveland seems to be it is a storied franchise with a rabid fan base... Mike Lombardi at the helm has not shown all that much, some good choices, but not the greatest choices.

If I were Cleveland first thing I would ask McDaniels would be, "What did you see in Tim Tebow???"

 

[AzorianPats]

I'm a huge McD fan, I don't want to lose him, but I do think he'll be a success if he gets the Cleveland job. He's too good/too smart to make the same mistakes he made at Denver. Hopefully he stays on board, but if not best of luck to him, and Billy O'Brien if he gets the Houston job.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Here's an I-haven't-had-my-coffee-yet thought, so excuse if it's too absurd:

If McDaniels does to to Cleveland: What are the chances he trades for Amendola? Edelman has proven he can fill that role very nicely, you're developing Boyce to possibly help with that, and you have KT and Dobson outside.

With Edelman's evolution into the go-to guy, maybe BB is a little generous in what he takes for Amendola, because it helps free up some cash for a guy who's earned it.

Probably won't happen. But if it does, you heard it here first.

 

[varjao]

https://twitter.com/WillBurge


This Will Burge guy writes for Bleacher Report right now, but was with ESPN Cleveland until last August. I guess that makes him kind of trustworthy here. I can't say this would really surprise me at all.

That's frustrating. I remember a Josh interview when he said his time would come, with some kind of long future thought.

Apparently if he accept the very first offer to get back to a HC job I will think he used the OC job in NE as a trampoline for that.

This whole thing makes sense, with that cap space available, in a recently weakened division, the Browns could put a Kansas City Chiefs next season, I don't follow them a lot but they've had high draft picks for a lot of years in a row, between mistakes and hits they've built a decent base roster in all phases of the game. Maybe they only need that boost with a good QB and coach. This season they started showing some flashes until Hoyer's injury.

At the beginning of this speculation I thought he would not be stupid enough to go coach the Browns, but now I can totally see it happening.

Suggestion to replacement: Thomas Brady. Like Ryan Giggs on Manchester United, coach and player at the same time. :rocker:

 

[varjao]

Here's an I-haven't-had-my-coffee-yet thought, so excuse if it's too absurd:

If McDaniels does to to Cleveland: What are the chances he trades for Amendola? Edelman has proven he can fill that role very nicely, you're developing Boyce to possibly help with that, and you have KT and Dobson outside.

With Edelman's evolution into the go-to guy, maybe BB is a little generous in what he takes for Amendola, because it helps free up some cash for a guy who's earned it.

Probably won't happen. But if it does, you heard it here first.

Like someone said in the previous page, it makes sense that Edelman would pair with Josh on this move.

Also, I think BB will make an effort to keep this WR corps, he finally found some gold in a position he always struggled and I think he may add some new pieces, I'm not sold on Thompkins, I think it can be the case of some of those UDFA guys who show a lot on the first year when they are nobodies but then can't keep up the consistency.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Here's an I-haven't-had-my-coffee-yet thought, so excuse if it's too absurd:

If McDaniels does to to Cleveland: What are the chances he trades for Amendola? Edelman has proven he can fill that role very nicely, you're developing Boyce to possibly help with that, and you have KT and Dobson outside.

With Edelman's evolution into the go-to guy, maybe BB is a little generous in what he takes for Amendola, because it helps free up some cash for a guy who's earned it.

Probably won't happen. But if it does, you heard it here first.

I love the idea of shipping Amendola to Cleveland, maybe we can throw in Mallett while we're at it, will we be able to get Josh Gordon in return?

What will Cleveland give us in return for Mallett and Amendola?

 

[PatsDeb]

This is one thing I hate about the NFL. You can never just enjoy the moment you are in. It keeps grinding downhill with distractions and plans for the future that ruin the bliss of the moment. We are the #2 seed and all we should have on this board are threads about who we want our next opponent to be and why, while our boys enjoy some R&R to get ready for a big home playoff game.

Instead we have to worry about whether one of our good coaches is going to be poached by another team, along with some of our good players. I wish it was the old days when other NFL teams could not talk to assistant coaches if their teams were still in the playoffs. Too bad if you'd get a late start on next year. If you want the guy that bad, then you should have to wait.

If I was Josh I don't know that I'd want to go to a team that saddles a new coach with an over-the-hill rookie for a QB then fires him after one year. But of course he will not turn down another shot at HC, and BB won't stand in his way either. Sigh. This sucks.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

It's be nice if they could find a way for the coaching carousel to happen after the SB or for teams in the hunt to not be bothered (though those are probably the teams most likely to be poached for coaches).

I'm sure quite a bit of work goes into an interview with another team (you'll want to know their tendencies, current/contracted personnel, thinking about what you can do to make the competitive, ...) That is all time you can spend preparing your team for the next opponent.

 

[MassPats38]

If I was Josh I don't know that I'd want to go to a team that saddles a new coach with an over-the-hill rookie for a QB then fires him after one year. But of course he will not turn down another shot at HC, and BB won't stand in his way either. Sigh. This sucks.

Peter King wrote "There is no doubt the Browns will be interested in northeast Ohio native and New England offensive coordinator McDaniels, even after his failed tenure in Denver. But those who know McDaniels tell me he’ll only take a job he’s convinced can be a winner. Right now, the Cleveland job has a moat surrounding it, with alligators swimming in it, so I think Cleveland will be hard-pressed to convince McDaniels it’s a great job for him. Maybe Detroit, if it opens, with a good quarterback who needs to be coached and some very good defensive talent, would be more up McDaniels’ alley. But he’s not the kind of guy itching to be a head coach, I’m told. He’s happy coaching Tom Brady and working under Bill Belichick, I’m told."

Even with the egos involved, a new coach every 2.5 seasons does not inspire a sense of stability in the organization. Dumping a first round pick from 2012 mid-season for a 2014 first round pick in Richardson seemed odd as well (not questioning it may be viewed as a good deal ultimately with Richardson's 3.0 YPC average depending on the player selected in the draft with a medium to low first round pick), certainly in all that was going on with the team at the time. There may be something to King's sentiment.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I think McD would be a terrible hire, but I can understand the thought process. He's basically Belichick's disciple. If you're an owner of a crappy franchise that can't win more than 4-5 games, and you're sitting back and watching the Pats get double-digit wins like clockwork, you want to grab anything that has to do with that. Any guy that checks in in the morning at Gillette to coach the Pats is part of a winning culture, I can totally understand suffering owners wanting to pick them off, even if the track record of BB assistants is bad. Squeeze out some pixie dust if possible, what do you have to lose?

Who would be a better new hire than McD?

 

[Gronkandez]

Okay, now I just went from feeling confident that he'd stay to feeling pissed in a matter of seconds.

And the Edelman comment made it even worse...

Hope to hell we don't lose either one, but I have a feeling that at least one will indeed move on.

I agree with Froob. I wish that McDaniels didn't have to have this distraction at this point of the season. Let freaking CLE deal with their own damn problems. We're at a critical point in the season.

All of this said, I'm a bit surprised that Belichick/JMcD didn't have an agreement in place 2 yrs ago when he re-joined. I'm sure there was an assumption that he'd get some HC offers.

If he gave Lonnie Paxton $2M who knows what he'll over some of the Pats Free Agents. The real question is, Will he bring back Tebow to solve the Browns QB problems??? I say yes! Justify that first round selection Josh.

 

[Kontradiction]

https://twitter.com/WillBurge



This Will Burge guy writes for Bleacher Report right now, but was with ESPN Cleveland until last August. I guess that makes him kind of trustworthy here. I can't say this would really surprise me at all.

Well if that's true, it's a shame. McD is a good OC that gets way too much flak on this forum for plays that shouldn't be placed on him. I'll miss him. I would surmise that this means the Pats promote Daboll to the job?

 

[Leemo]

If he gave Lonnie Paxton $2M who knows what he'll over some of the Pats Free Agents. The real question is, Will he bring back Tebow to solve the Browns QB problems??? I say yes! Justify that first round selection Josh.

I think it's more likely he wants to take mallet with him while whichever QB they draft develops.

Not for a first round pick though.

 

[Kontradiction]

Also, if McDaniels leaves and Daboll gets the job, I think this forum will be hilarious next year. If the people who hate McDaniels think he's bad, wait until they get a load of Daboll.

 

[dales804]

I haven't read all of this thread but correct me if I'm wrong; the only thing that's been really substantiated is that CLE asked for permission to interview McDaniels. Do we know if McDaniels even accepted the offer to interview (he turned it down last year)? I saw what some BR "reporter" wrote on twitter but am taking that with a grain of salt.

 

[BradyManny]

That would suck if he left, but understandable from his end. I hope Peter King is right and he's content to stick around with Belichick & Brady. The Pats hopefully compensate him enough that its a tough decision for him.

I don't know how anybody could complain with McD this year. Your stud TE is hurt most of the year, your other TE ended a human life and is in prison, your slot WR defected, your prize FA signing to replace him is banged up, you have a bunch of rookie WRs who keep getting injured. Oh, and your offensive line is also horribly banged up and often ineffective. When you go two tight ends, you get to choose from Hooman, Matthew Mulligan and DJ Williams. Your RBs can't hang onto the ball, and the most dangerous one - and the only one who can catch - misses half the season. Have fun with that.

The same effusive praise we've given Brady for making chicken salad out of chicken excrement should apply to McD.