Where to get Trade-Talent next year

[supafly]

Charlie Casserly pointed out on NFL Network, that regards tradeing Kurt Cousins. Redskins should have 2x2 or a 1 round pick, else he would be worth more for them as a backup. Infact i see the same with Mallett.

We going with 2 QBs on the roster because we got Mallett as backup. He's worth more then ppl think for BB and Patriots.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't see as much of a comparison between Kirk Cousins and Ryan Mallett as you seem to.

Cousins has proven to be able to do well at times while playing in the NFL; adjusting to the speed of the game, preparing for the specific gameplans, and reading/reacting to the opposing defenses. I don't know how anyone can predict how Ryan Mallett may do one way or the other.

 

[farn]

People wondered for two years "how high a pick NE would get for Hoyer". If he doesn't get hurt, he starts for Cleveland for a longer period... he is a solid qb with - from what we've heard - an excellent attitude and work ethic. He seemed to be guiding the team well before his injury.

How much did he go for ? Nothing. Furthermore - he should have an excellent rapport with McD if that is how it goes in their HC search...

Mallett is much like a solid car - if it gets smashed you can never get the same value in insurance money that it had for you... Keep Mallett until further notice, because no one will give enough for that trade to be worth it.

 

[SalemPats]

People wondered for two years "how high a pick NE would get for Hoyer". If he doesn't get hurt, he starts for Cleveland for a longer period... he is a solid qb with - from what we've heard - an excellent attitude and work ethic. He seemed to be guiding the team well before his injury.

How much did he go for ? Nothing. Furthermore - he should have an excellent rapport with McD if that is how it goes in their HC search...

Mallett is much like a solid car - if it gets smashed you can never get the same value in insurance money that it had for you... Keep Mallett until further notice, because no one will give enough for that trade to be worth it.

Kevin Kolb went for a 2nd rounder and apparently Reid was offering a 2nd or a 3rd last year for Foles. Who are you to say what his value is, apparently Browns have been interested in Mallet all year. A 2nd to pay for your starting QB is not that much. A team might want a guy who's been in a system for awhile then draft a rookie who will have to learn.

In the 2nd/3rd you'll probably see guys like AJ, Aaron Murray and maybe Mettenberger (he might go in the 1st), what's the difference between them and Mallet. No one would say drafting those guys in 2nd/3rd is bad. I can see us getting a 3rd easily

 

[patsfan-1982]

The Patriots traded Vrabel to allow him to continue his playing career. Otherwise, he was being cut. It also freed up money on the salary cap for the Pats.

Gotta love when people insist on changing history.

it still does not change the fact that the pats only got a 2th round pick for a 11 win QB my point is I don't think Mallet is worth to other NFL teams what some people on this board think they can get for him

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The Patriots traded Vrabel to allow him to continue his playing career. Otherwise, he was being cut. It also freed up money on the salary cap for the Pats.

Gotta love when people insist on changing history.

And let's not forget that Cassel had a cap hit of $14.6M guaranteed for 2009, which meant that any team trading for him HAD to guarantee him at least that much money.

[Since you bring up Vrabel, I have to ask . . . would just setting on fire the money the Patriots spent on Afailius Thomas have been equally useful?]

 

[supafly]

Kevin Kolb went for a 2nd rounder and apparently Reid was offering a 2nd or a 3rd last year for Foles. Who are you to say what his value is, apparently Browns have been interested in Mallet all year. A 2nd to pay for your starting QB is not that much. A team might want a guy who's been in a system for awhile then draft a rookie who will have to learn.

In the 2nd/3rd you'll probably see guys like AJ, Aaron Murray and maybe Mettenberger (he might go in the 1st), what's the difference between them and Mallet. No one would say drafting those guys in 2nd/3rd is bad. I can see us getting a 3rd easily

You're forgetting about the most important aspect--the fact that Mallett would need to be signed to a brand new deal. Why would anyone pass on your comparable examples of Mettenburger, Murray, AJ, etc on a cheap, rookie deal for peanuts for the next 4+ yrs, and choose to bring in a guy with the same questionmarks and lack of NFL experience, only so they can pay him 10x the amount and be forced to sign him to a brand new deal with nothing to even guess on as far as contractual value?

If you set the Charlie Whitehurst and Kevin Kolb disasters aside (which may actually make more GMs ever more cautious), how many NFL players in general command 2nd round trade compensation? The 1st and 2nd rounds are generally reserved for the top tier talent of the league, but even if you think that Mallett could be a top tier talent who warrants a 2nd round pick, there are many other variables in play.

Anything is obviously possible, and people are going to differ on their opinions for the next year just the same as they've done in the previous two years. However, ask yourself these questions when attempting to assess a trade market for Ryan Mallett:

--1. Is he actually worth that high of a pick with zero NFL experience? No one really knows, but there just isn't any tape or actual pro scouting to even go on. It's possible that someone takes a gamble, sure. Then again, you've got to understand why many feel that the odds are low just the same.

--2. (Possibly the most important) Who is going to give up a 2nd round pick without signing Mallett to a new contract? Do you honestly think that someone is going to give up that kind of higher pick for a guy in his last year of the deal? That's taking the gamble to extraordinary circumstances, basically multiplying the risk by about 5x over.

--3. What kind of competition is there at the position this year? Are guys like Jay Cutler going to hit the open market? How about DAL keeping Kyle Orton for that kind of cost again when they're currently almost 40 million over the cap? How many "decent" starting caliber QBs would Mallett be competing with? Who is going to make a play for Kirk Cousins as WAS is rebuilding a bit, and also hurting for draft picks? He's much more proven and capable than R.Mallett.

How about Michael Vick? Is a team like MIN or CLE going to bring in a journeyman veteran like Vick who can immediately start (and was the starter this year) to help to fill the seats while they wait for their expected 1st/2nd round new QB to develop for a year? It's quite possible.

Then you have the draft...as you said, there are definitely a handful of QBs who can be taken for cheap, rookie deals for the next 4-5 years, rather than pay Mallett on a new deal.

--4. What the hell kind of possible contract would anyone even offer Ryan Mallett? If they're going to part with a high pick instead of choosing to take someone in the draft and pay them peanuts, then obviously they're going to have him as their starter. What kind of money would you even offer Mallett? Does anyone have any idea whatsover? It could be 7-8-10 million, which is comparable to what Kolb made....or it could be 2-3 million. There's a tremendous grey area for an unknown like Ryan Mallett. It's so up in the air, it isn't even funny, but I highly doubt anyone is going to give up a top notch draft pick to gamble and sign a guy who's in the last year of his deal. It is rarely done in the NFL, if ever.

--5. It typically takes our backups at least a full season to learn our system here, which is just one of the reasons why a guy like Hoyer was expendable in the first place (since Mallett had that full season+ under his belt at the time), but guess what? No one was brought in this year...We brought in zero prospects whatsoever, meaning that Belichick would leave himself with absolutely no one as our backup, since anyone new wouldn't have the slightest idea as to how to run our offense or system. QB is the most complicated and important position on the whole team. Does anyone really honestly think that Belichick is going to leave his backup QB spot wide open with no one whatsoever with any knowledge or experience as our primary backup?

Had he brought in another developmental QB this past season, then I'd believe in the Mallett rumors a bit more. As it stands, Mallett is experienced with our system and extremely cheap for the last year of his rookie pact. Belichick will be forced to bring someone new in this year (2014), just so that he can get acclimated to our playbook and system here for when Mallett leaves in free agency in 2015.




I'm not suggesting that it could never happen, but you've got to respect the questions that come along with it, and the fact that the odds are probably a lot lower than many seem to believe.

 

[Joker]

so, we already lost the playoff game???...missed it, who did we play again?

 

[supafly]

And let's not forget that Cassel had a cap hit of $14.6M guaranteed for 2009, which meant that any team trading for him HAD to guarantee him at least that much money.

[Since you bring up Vrabel, I have to ask . . . would just setting on fire the money the Patriots spent on Afailius Thomas have been equally useful?]

It's a shame what happened with A.Thomas, but we also must remember that he had a pretty decent season in his first year, and was doing pretty well in 2008 until he became injured during the stretch run.

Thomas' problem seemed to be more of his attitude and the fact that he didn't want to play strong side LB, wasn't it? Of course the missed meeting in 2009 was the icing on the cake, if they didn't have their minds made up by then anyway.

It's likely just one of many reasons why Belichick normally tends to stay away from those high priced free agents, particularly since then.

 

[Luxusdk]

it still does not change the fact that the pats only got a 2th round pick for a 11 win QB my point is I don't think Mallet is worth to other NFL teams what some people on this board think they can get for him

Can you give me one reason Pats should trade Mallett this year for a 4 round pick, instead of haveing him as backup for cheap a year more and get a 6 comp pick in return in 2 years. The Price on a player ( same with draft pick on draft day ) can change on need, age, position, contracts, Clubs etc etc. Mallett as a backup for PATRIOTS is worth more then a 4 round pick. Thats why if you wanna trade for him, you'll have to pay. And the reason i referred to Kurt Cousins in another post.

 

[DarrylS]

I think fans are overinflating the value of Mallett.. in three years he has thrown 4 passes, completing 1 for 17 yards..... not sure anyone would bite on this.

The value of Mallett for the Pats is familiarity with this system and his cost....

I suspect that this team will continue to build through the draft and UDFA's..... do not expect a huge splash in free agency.

 

[ivanvamp]

McDaniels and Mallet for Gordon

If McDaniels went to Cleveland, he would require no compensation in return, because his move is a move up, not a lateral move.

 

[varjao]

Man with all the stupid coaches being fired it will be tough to find good trades next FA

 

[varjao]

If McDaniels went to Cleveland, he would require no compensation in return, because his move is a move up, not a lateral move.

I think NFL could make an exception on this case stating that going to Cleveland is always a move down

 

[patriot lifer]

After reading this thread, I have to say that I agree with the thought that Mallett doesn't have much value for trade purposes. He is a complete wildcard at this point. Players like Schaub, Flynn, and Cassell were sought after because they had track records. We're placing too much faith in the fact that he must be good because he's on the Patriots.

 

[jmt57]

For what it's worth, here's a way-too-early list of potential cap-casulty free agents.

NFL Offensive Players Rumored to be Cut | The Daily Spot

QB: Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez, Matt Scaub, Blaine Gabbert
RB: Michael Bush, Mark Ingram, Mikel LeShoure, BenJarvus Green-Ellis
WR: Miles Austin, Lance Moore, Brad Smith, Greg Little, Nate Burleson
TE: Jacob Tamme, Heath Miller, Jermaine Gresham, Robert Housler
OL: Jonathan Martin, Lucas Nix, Will Rackley, Doug Legursky


More cut-speculation here:

NFL Players On Their Way Out | The Daily Spot

LB Brian Orakpo
OT Michael Oher
DE Justin Tuck
RB Maurice Jones-Drew



Lists of unrestricted free agents by position here:
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Quarterbacks
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Running Backs
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Wide Receivers
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Tight Ends
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Left Tackles
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Right Tackles
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Guards
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Centers

» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent 34 Defensive Ends
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent 43 Defensive Ends
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Defensive Tackles
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent 34 Outside Linebackers
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent 43 Outside Linebackers
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Inside Linebackers
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Cornerbacks
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Safetys

» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Kickers
» Over the Cap- 2014 NFL Free Agent Punters


Top unrestricted free agents by position, listed in order of 2013 earnings:

TE: Jermichael Finley, Dustin Keller, Brandon Pettigrew, Scott Chandler

WR: Anquan Boldin, Devin Hester, Santana Moss, Jacoby Jones, James Jones, Jeremy Maclin, Emmanuel Sanders, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Hakeem Nicks, Jerome Simpson, Kenny Britt, Mario Manningham, Jerricho Cotchery, Dexter McCluster, Domenik Hixon, Ted Ginn

C: Roberto Garza, Robert Mack, Jonathan Goodwin, Brian De la Puente, Brad Meester, Evan Dietrich-Smith, Ryan Cook, Dominic Raiola, Ryan Wendell, Dan Koppen, Joe Berger, Chris Spencer

G: Richie Incognito, Charlie Johnson, Wade Smith, Paul McQuistan, Brain Waters, Rob Turner, Chris Williams, Mike McGlynn, Chad Rinehart, Willie Colon, Travelle Wharton, Zane Beadles, Garry Williams, Andre Gurode

DE: Jared Allen, Michael Johnson, Justin Tuck, Michael Bennett, Robert Ayers, Willie Young, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, Fili Moala

DT: Henry Melton, Randy Starks, Paul Soliai, Kevin Williams, Jonathan Babineaux, Alan Branch, Vance Walker, Jason Hatcher, Pat Sims, Peria Jerry

OLB: Wesley Woodyard, Jonathan Casillas, James Anderson, Adam Hayward

ILB: Jon Beason, Karlos Dansby, DJ Williams, Jonathan Vilma, Stewart Bradley

CB: Charles Tillman, Brent Grimes, Aqib Talib, Josh Wilson, Tim Jennings, Tarell Brown, Vontae Davis, Sam Shields, Corey Graham

S: Jairus Byrd, Antoine Bethea, Donte Whitner, Ryan Clark, Brandon Meriweather, Chris Clemons, Stevie Brown, Bernard Pollard, Mike Adams, Charles Woodson