Rumor - McDaniels to be the Browns HC

[wolverinejoe80]

texans would've been a great job, but billy probably will get that job

 

[doesntmatter1]

How come no one is interested in our defensive coaches? lol.

 

[supafly]

How come no one is interested in our defensive coaches? lol.

They are afraid that Patricia's beard will injure their players.

 

[supafly]

One would hope that this concern was addressed when McDaniels came over last season (or was it during the 2011 playoff run?)

I would hope that this issue was talked about, and that there are some contractual obligations in place--at least for a certain period of time.

One would have to assume that Belichick didn't bring JMcD in just to see him head off somewhere else when he saw the same kind of offensive production. I would think that he had a decent plan to address this.

 

[jsull87]

Kind of but they have many picks and will get a QB - 4 could go top 10.

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Looking at that. If they think Mallett could be a NFL QB why not give your 2nd? Then go WR, TE then RB with the 1, 1 and 3. That will completely change your offense right there. Pair that with Gordon and Cameron.

Their defense is pretty good how it is now.

 

[supafly]

Looking at that. If they think Mallett could be a NFL QB why not give your 2nd? Then go WR, TE then RB with the 1, 1 and 3. That will completely change your offense right there. Pair that with Gordon and Cameron.

Their defense is pretty good how it is now.

Lombardi's comments (now famous on the patsfans boards when it comes to Ryan Mallett) were as follows during an NFL network broadcast:

"Either one of those guys (Mallett OR Hoyer) could potentially be starting quarterbacks in this league."

Lombardi then went out and snagged Brian Hoyer for no compensation whatsover, and he looked great as a starter. Why would they spend a high 2nd round pick to bring in an unproven Ryan Mallett in his very last year, when they could get him for nothing if they wished next season in 2015?

One would assume that they'll be going with Brian Hoyer, a high draft pick, and another journeyman veteran; but they can take a high pick top tier QB in the draft for nothing at all. Even more important, they wouldn't have to pay him a fraction of what they'd have to pay Mallett on a new deal. It's not like anyone is going to give up a 2nd round pick for Mallett in his last year before free agency without signing him to a nice deal first.

 

[Deus Irae]

... It's not like anyone is going to give up a 2nd round pick for Mallett in his last year before free agency without signing him to a nice deal first.

I don't know what O'Brien thinks of Mallett but, if he's a fan, wouldn't it make some sense, even if you don't like the price, for the Texans to draft Clowney at 1.1 and then trade for Mallett, even if it costs the 2.1 pick?

 

[Deus Irae]

Just a follow up on the Broncos thing:

Jay Cutler, years in NFL - 8
Jay Cutler, playoff appearances - 1
Jay Cutler, playoff wins - 1

Tim Tebow, years in NFL - 3
Tim Tebow, playoff appearances - 1
Tim Tebow, playoff wins - 1

 

[supafly]

I don't know what O'Brien thinks of Mallett but, if he's a fan, wouldn't it make some sense, even if you don't like the price, for the Texans to draft Clowney at 1.1 and then trade for Mallett, even if it costs the 2.1 pick?

Apologies. I thought we were discussing the Cleveland situation with Lombardi etc. At least my response was back to a poster discussing CLE anyway.

If it's the HOU Texans, then I suppose it's surely a question worth pondering considering Bill O'Brien's connection here etc. Like I said, whoever gives up a higher round pick like that would almost certainly have to sign him to a deal first though, at least in my opinion. I think some of these uncertainties complicate the Ryan Mallett matter more than people realize, although obviously anything is always possible. I really wouldn't even know where to start with predictions of a contract, but if he's going to compete for a starting job one would have to assume in the 4-5 million range over a longer term deal--and that's probably somewhat conservative.

I still think that he stays here next season and moves on then, but we'll have to see as I'm only giving my personal opinion. We also have to think about whether or not Belichick would feel comfortable without anyone with any knowledge of our offense whatsoever as there's no developmental PS quarterback at the moment either. He'd be leaving himself pretty high and dry unless a guy like Cassel came back, and I'm not sure if that'd be worth a 3rd round pick or so. I still have a very hard time buying into the fact that a guy like Mallett could go for a 2nd, even with the Whitehurst and Kolb fiascoes of the past.

 

[Deus Irae]

Apologies. I thought we were discussing the Cleveland situation with Lombardi etc.

My bad for not being clear. I was asking for your opinion on a notion I'd had, because the news had just shown the Texans game and the question came to my mind. I wasn't looking at what you'd written about the Browns.

I'm looking at the QBs coming out, and I'm looking at the teams at the top, and I've been asking myself some questions.

1. If You're the Texans and you hire BOB, and you aren't enamored with any of the high end QBs, do you risk making that move?
2. If you're the Rams, are you sure Bradford's your future?
3. If you're the Rams, and you aren't sure that Bradford's your future, do you pass on Clowney (if available) to take the second QB in the draft?

I think the Rams will go forward with Bradford, and I look at those top 2 picking teams, and I see potential defensive groupings (or at least sub packages) with either of the following:

Texans - Watt/Smith/Mercilus/Clowney
Rams - Quinn/Long/Brockers/Hayes/Clowney


and I see QBs on divisional foes who have a great deal of concern about their health.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

How come no one is interested in our defensive coaches? lol.

Would you as a fan of a struggling team that just fired its HC be pleased/enthusiastic about next season/buying tix if ownership hired the new HC from a defensive program that had been in the lower half of the league (in many stats) for the last several years?

I realize this disregards nuances about Patricia/the D situation (he has not exactly had the most capable personnel to work with, points allowed has been good) but team owners have to sell their HC choice to their fan base. Since nuances are beyond the attention span and/or capability to be understood by most fans, a new HC hire needs some selling point sound bites. Fair or unfair, JM has the sound bites while MP doesn't.

 

[supafly]

My bad for not being clear. I was asking for your take, because the news had just shown the Texans game and the question came to my mind. I wasn't looking at what you'd written about the Browns.

I'm looking at the QBs coming out, and I'm looking at the teams at the top, and I've been asking myself some questions.

1. If You're the Texans and you hire BOB, and you aren't enamored with any of the high end QBs, do you risk making that move?
2. If you're the Rams, are you sure Bradford's your future?
3. If you're the Rams, and you aren't sure that Bradford's your future, do you pass on Clowney (if available) to take the second QB in the draft?

I think the Rams will go forward with Bradford, and I look at those top 2 picking teams, and I see potential defensive groupings (or at least sub packages) with either of the following:

Texans - Watt/Smith/Mercilus/Clowney
Rams - Quinn/Long/Brockers/Hayes/Clowney


and I see QBs on divisional foes who have a great deal of concern about their health.

My humble opinion is that when we cut through all of those questions, all of which happen every year with only the teams and specific names being changed, will anyone feel confident enough to give up a 2nd/3rd pick + an assumed new deal for Ryan Mallett? How much would they offer assuming that he'd be competing for a starting role either this year or next? I think there's some grey area there.

Then there are factors such as who hits free agency in terms of bigger QB names like Cutler, who may like a particular QB in the draft as their future franchise QB on a cheap deal, what journeymen QBs are available such as Michael Vick etc, and what other potential "up and comers" like Kirk Cousins, Brian Hoyer, etc may be out there who could be in the same situation as Mallett.

Another important variable would be Bill Belichick's plans for the backup QB position for 2014. It seemed a bit strange to me that he didn't spend at least one PS position on a developmental QB who may have started to absorb some of the system information and other important nuances, just in case an offer came in for Mallett that blew him away.

I have to admit despite what anyone thinks about Mallett or his trade potential, the whole subject is rather interesting to discuss

 

[supafly]

Would you as a fan of a struggling team that just fired its HC be pleased/enthusiastic about next season/buying tix if ownership hired the new HC from a defensive program that had been in the lower half of the league (in many stats) for the last several years?

I realize this disregards nuances about Patricia/the D situation (he has not exactly had the most capable personnel to work with, points allowed has been good) but team owners have to sell their HC choice to their fan base. Since nuances are beyond the attention span and/or capability to be understood by most fans, a new HC hire needs some selling point sound bites. Fair or unfair, JM has the sound bites while MP doesn't.

Yeah, but Patricia has that bad ass beard. That has to count for something, right? :rocker:

In all seriousness, when Belichick failed to name a "true" DC when it was obvious that Patricia was handling the role for the most part, I considered the fact that Belichick was not only trying to keep the pressure down a bit (much like Parcells did with him in his first year as the real DC), but that he may simply be tired of having his coaching staff pillaged on a yearly basis. I don't know if that had 1% of any bearing or not, and my guess is that it didn't, but the thought did cross my mind---especially after DCs Crennel and Mangini leaving for head coaching jobs.

It may only be a matter of time before someone at least interviews and show interest in Patricia, but it isn't likely to happen this year and maybe even not the next. That may not have been the case had we remained a top 5 statistical defense as was through the first 4-5 games prior to the injuries.

Josh McDaniels is definitely the better choice though, especially since he already held the position in the past with DEN. People tend to like an offensive minded younger coach, I think.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

There's the logic of trading for Mallett (which has some basis) then there is the sell-ability of it. Those aren't necessarily in sync with each other. The Texans just went through QB fan populace hell. Hence the owner or GM probably has to consider how a trade will sell to the fan base/media. I think giving up a #2 for Mallett isn't sell-able to most of the Texan fan base. Best chance for getting something as high as a #2 for Mallett is from a team that is in full rebuild mode and expectations are low. Yet even then, as my own pure guess, I don't see Mallett ever earning us a #2. His lack of playing time in any meaningful games, lack of any 'buzz' surrounding him has closed that window.

 

[BradyBranch39]

I do not want McDaniels to leave

and worse, I DO NOT WANT DABOLL AS OC. Look at his track record as an OC. Bad offenses that regressed, and TERRIBLE in the red zone. TERRIBLE.

 

[Deus Irae]

My humble opinion is that when we cut through all of those questions, all of which happen every year with only the teams and specific names being changed, will anyone feel confident enough to give up a 2nd/3rd pick + an assumed new deal for Ryan Mallett? How much would they offer assuming that he'd be competing for a starting role either this year or next? I think there's some grey area there.

You may recall that I'm not a big Mallett fan. I just found the question an interesting one. I have no idea what BOB thinks of Mallett.

And thanks for your answer. I appreciate it.

 

[supafly]

I do not want McDaniels to leave

and worse, I DO NOT WANT DABOLL AS OC. Look at his track record as an OC. Bad offenses that regressed, and TERRIBLE in the red zone. TERRIBLE.

I don't want JMcD to leave either. I doubt too many do, aside from those who regularly criticize him after every game for no particular reason.

If he does though, I think football life will go much better than some think, considering that Bill Belichick is the head of everything here, and has the final say over all aspects of the team. It isn't like he and Brady don't already have an excellent grasp on the offense that's been used for quite awhile. We may see some challenges again, so that would be my biggest concern.

Most of us would much rather keep him of course, so let's hope that happens. I don't like much change myself

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Yeah, but Patricia has that bad ass beard. That has to count for something, right? :rocker:

In all seriousness, when Belichick failed to name a "true" DC when it was obvious that Patricia was handling the role for the most part, I considered the fact that Belichick was not only trying to keep the pressure down a bit (much like Parcells did with him in his first year as the real DC), but that he may simply be tired of having his coaching staff pillaged on a yearly basis. I don't know if that had 1% of any bearing or not, and my guess is that it didn't, but the thought did cross my mind---especially after DCs Crennel and Mangini leaving for head coaching jobs.

It may only be a matter of time before someone at least interviews and show interest in Patricia, but it isn't likely to happen this year and maybe even not the next. That may not have been the case had we remained a top 5 statistical defense as was through the first 4-5 games prior to the injuries.

Josh McDaniels is definitely the better choice though, especially since he already held the position in the past with DEN. People tend to like an offensive minded younger coach, I think.

He was hired for the ability, he was kept for the beard

Seriously, this may be a bit naive on my part but BB putting the kind of faith in MP he has says a lot to me about MP. I suspect this also quietly says something to a lot to GMs around the league.
If I was to look in my crystal ball I would say MP's chances for promotion in 2015 rise markedly. This is based on -- provided the Patriots don't have the football gods smite them again -- the 2014 Patriots' D looking like it has top 10 potential. If they do play up to that potential, this, IMHO, is what propels MP into being considered by other teams.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I do not want McDaniels to leave

and worse, I DO NOT WANT DABOLL AS OC. Look at his track record as an OC. Bad offenses that regressed, and TERRIBLE in the red zone. TERRIBLE.

I'd rather he stay too but it's an impractical belief. Winning organizations getting plucked of their people is a fact of life. If it isn't this year it will almost certainly be next year (assuming Patriot success next year).

I tell you what, if JM is still OC in 2015 then, IMHO, something is afoot behind the scenes. He lost his desire to be HC, or he wants to keep his family in the same place, or he has some sort of arrangement with BB.

 

[varjao]

I'm one of those who are always complaining about McDaniels play calling but I don't wanna a change for the sake of consistency. I think changing the OC every couple years is not a good call.

We have to remember, this offense has changed dramatically and BB and McGrady had to improvise a lot until this young rookies get the speed and dynamics of pro football. They were counting very badly on Hernandez playing a big role this year. Unfortunately, he messed up and that was devastating in every aspect you can imagine.