Do you even respect Peyton Manning?

[Fencer]

I just hate the media fascination over him when the guy from New England had to work for everything he has earned since High School. Manning was gifted with everything that he needed to be successful...Tom just worked hard and kept working and never looked back outdoing the chosen one the one who had everything given to him yet people hate Tom Brady and his ashes to glory story and love Peyton his always having the advantage and media darling. That's what makes me appreciate Tom Brady as my QB even more and disgusts me seeing people actually comparing the two.

If I recall correctly, Tom Brady has had a personal QB coach since he was 10 years old. He came from a rather privileged background too.

 

[Fencer]

Is there any doubt that Peyton is a first ballet Hall of Fame player?

I agree he's a finesse player, but aren't you taking the point to an extreme?

 

[RhodyPatriot]

He's one of the greatest QBs of all time and one of the best of his generation. So, yeah, I respect him as a player, a competitor, and for what he's accomplished over his career.

However, what I can't stand is the media ball-washing and all the excuses they make for when he turtles up in big moments like he always does.

Well said. Agree on the media ball washing but it is getting better. I actually heard Faulk, Sanders and Irvin talking about how Manning is not a clutch player. Couldn't believe my ears. And Mike Wilbon was ready to marry Tom Brady....saying Brady is just a better big game player than Manning. Also said how it's hard for anyone to call Manning the best of all-time when he's not even the best of his generation.

Tom Brady is the best QB of his generation and definitely in the conversation for best all-time.
Manning is definitely top 10. Top 5?? Not sure he'd make the list.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Peyton manning is the only qb/coordinator that can think on the level and at times outsmart bill belichick.

As as a patriot fan, you can't tell me you don't feel extra anxious when the patriots play a peyton team.

I respect peyton the same way i do magic johnson and Rivera.

I think that is a valid point regarding PM's ability to coach from behind Center. Don't know if I agree with the exclusivity you give him for that ability, however, it's a very small group no doubt.

To PM doubters, you can point out all of PM's failings in those handful of big games, but you cannot deny the teams he has QB'd has won A LOT of games year after year after year etc etc. So consider this question, if that kind iof achievement doesn't deserve respect or awe or admiration, how is it that there is a miniscule of QBs that have replicated PMs incredible stats and W/L record??? Hundreds of QBs have played the game during PM's run of incredible stats and W/L, outside of TB (maybe another one or two??), how is these hundreds could not replicate PM?

This is not to say PM is better than TB (I'd take TB! -- of course I'm biased) but imagine PM having BB as his coach for his whole career? Zero doubt in my mind that PM has a resume that includes some greater success.

 

[RayClay]

Fortunately, Belichick does.

 

[Fixit]

Sorry but Peyton Manning doesn't even make my top #5. You guys sure you're just not listening to too much ESPN.

Brady.
Unitas.
Montana.
Elway.
Marino.

Not even sure if I could squeeze him on to a top #10 of all time.

Elway probably isn't in my top 15. He is THE most overrated "great" QB there is.

 

[Fixit]

... and Manning has pretty much had to shoulder the burden of all teams he has played on because his teams have never had a defense. It is amazing he has even one title given the lack of balance.

Really, really wrong, and it's a great illustration of why the Manning ballwashing is so tiresome.

 

[Fixit]

For the record, I respect Manning a lot. I'm just grateful we have Brady instead of him.

 

[shmessy]

I gave this thread one star.

The man went to Europe to have surgery THROUGH his neck.

And came back to play in the NFL. And has played exceptionally well while being a target of 300 lb men.

.....and some guy behind a computer is debating whether he should be respected?

 

[UK_Pat37]

To repeat most sentiments in this thread, I have huge respect for him. There is no doubt he is one of the greatest to play the game. He's greater than Marino in my mind.

However, I don't think he's even in the conversation for best ever and it winds me up. Montana is the best to have played the game. The numerous records he held/does hold along with his record four rings is head and shoulders above what Manning has achieved in his career.

Brady is the only QB who comes close. He owns almost all of Montana's record and would match the rings with one more Super Bowl win. When you think he has been a combined 7 points from FIVE rings...that's nothing and an immense achievement...one play either way *cough* Tyree *cough* Welker) and there's not even a debate; it would be Brady.

One more ring and it would be neck and neck between Brady and Montana. Montana has been asked who he thinks is the best of all time and, to the best of my knowledge, Manning's name is never thrown out there by him.

 

[shmessy]

Is there any doubt that Peyton is a first ballet Hall of Fame player?

Nope. He's not in the same class with Barishnikov and Nuryev!

 

[IllegalContact]

Manning is the better chef if the exact correct ingredients are available.

Brady is the better chef cooking with leftovers and whatever else might be in the fridge.

The reasoning for dumping welker is that it was necessary for Brady to have new weapons developed before it was too late for him to take advantage of them. The hope is that this bunch will carry him through to the end at a high level

 

[IllegalContact]

Oh..... Yeah, I respect manning simply because of the ability for friendship with your biggest rival. Magic and Larry.

 

[MassPats38]

Really, really wrong, and it's a great illustration of why the Manning ballwashing is so tiresome.

Really, really intelligent and informative, and a good reason posts with opinions lacking actually authority to correct the posts they criticize are treated as baseless and uninformed opinion (ie., blather).

Try starting with actual statistics, note the limited single digit defense years in his career with the Colts, and try explaining the basis for your opinion in lieu of professing your enlightenment on the topic. If you are enlightened as to the misinformation, try sharing your wisdom.

Add to that the 2007 Patriots effect, specifically that great offenses can make mediocre defenses better by virtue of the fact the opposing offenses become one dimensional and predictable, and susceptible to using key defensive pieces (e.g., Freeney and Mathis - great pass rushers, not so great run stoppers, Sanders was the primary piece there, and he was frequently injured and unavailable) optimally and specifically rather than in a more general (run or pass) capacity.

But hey, you know Manning is overrated, so go with that. You apparently know what you're talking about.

 

[Buchanty]

Is there any doubt that Peyton is a first ballet Hall of Fame player?

I agree he's a finesse player, but aren't you taking the point to an extreme?

I think it's a reference to his frequent "happy feet"....or maybe (obliquely) its the sad clown Petrushka (ballet by Stravinsky)

BTW you might not like a player for one reason or many but I find it hard to find reasons to not respect PM. His preparation and dedication to study rival TB's, when he's in the zone he is exceptional. Yes I hate the media fawning and the fans that try to mix a peculiar brand of logic and statistics to justify their favoritism.

More importantly his greatness has only served to add luster to Brady's greatness, as the best measure of one's quality is by comparison to the quality of one's competition.

 

[coolguy]

To repeat most sentiments in this thread, I have huge respect for him. There is no doubt he is one of the greatest to play the game. He's greater than Marino in my mind.

However, I don't think he's even in the conversation for best ever and it winds me up. Montana is the best to have played the game. The numerous records he held along with his record four rings is head and shoulders above what Manning has achieved in his career.

Brady is the only QB who comes close. He owns almost all of Montana's record and would match the rings with one more Super Bowl win. When you think he has been a combined 7 points from FIVE rings...that's nothing and an immense achievement...one play either way *cough* Tyree *cough* Welker) and there's not even a debate; it would be Brady.

One more ring and it would be neck and neck between Brady and Montana. Montana has been asked who he thinks is the best of all time and, to the best of my knowledge, Manning's name is never thrown out there by him.

Montana is the best to play the game? I don't think he's in the top 5.

I love joe montana, but he has played with greatest collection of talent in nfl history and without a freaking salary cap.The goat for me is
Tom BRADY
peyton manning
john elway
marino
toss up between aikmen, jim kelly, and montana.

I think all the qbs i mentioned would equal and excel if they were a quarterback on those 49er team......Do you honesty think montana could win and elevate his teammates on any of tom brady patriots?

The 49ers talent during their dynasty was ridiculous and would not be allowed to happen today.

 

[Boogs]

I don't like Manning's style of play. He's so afraid of contact to the point that he'll lay on the ground rather than run in to the endzone and get tackled from behind. He cannot improvise. He cannot move with his feet. He is maybe the most stiff and robotic looking qb in the league. He whines to the ref every time he gets hit (this is football). He can't throw the deep ball. He will beat you with his preparation, but that is not a style of football I like to watch.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I have nothing but respect for Peyton Manning. He is the 2nd best QB of his generation and one of the greatest of all time. His record and accomplishments speak for themselves. That doesn't mean you have to like him, but I can't comprehend how anyone wouldn't respect him. You might not like the ball-washing he gets from the media, but how is that his fault? I see it kind of like the Tebow thing, I don't blame Tebow because his lovers/haters annoy me.

And to be honest I kind of like him as a person. He seems like a genuinely good dude and isn't afraid to laugh at himself. Tom Brady might be a better QB than Peyton Manning, but Manning is 10x the Saturday Night Live host that Brady is (I'll still take Brady though)

100% agree with this, I think this thread is a bit of an overreaction. Of course you should respect Manning for the reasons stated. Whether people agree or disagree with 4th and 2, BB would not have done it if he didn't respect the **** out of Manning.

 

[coolguy]

I don't like Manning's style of play. He's so afraid of contact to the point that he'll lay on the ground rather than run in to the endzone and get tackled from behind. He cannot improvise. He cannot move with his feet. He is maybe the most stiff and robotic looking qb in the league. He whines to the ref every time he gets hit (this is football). He can't throw the deep ball. He will beat you with his preparation, but that is not a style of football I like to watch.

Peyton was a great deep ball thrower when he had wayne, harrison, clark, and stoekly.

Now he can't, but he could back then.

 

[Rob0729]

I respect the hell of out Manning. Part of my hate is from some of the respect I have for him as a player in a weird way. If I thought he was overrated, I might not even care about him.