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Comparing injured players to fumbling players is simply not a good idea.

In any case, the reality is that there is no decision to make on Amendola until 2015, when we can decide whether he is worth his $4M salary for that year. Next year the non-guaranteed salary amounts to $1M. Also, Amendola is signed for 5 years. The major relevant decision will be how much to offer Edelman.

With regard to Ridley, I accept Belichick's judgment. We have had fumblers before who turned out to be fine later in their career (Faulk for example). Belichick will judge how much of a role Ridley should have for the rest of the year and in the future. However, we should not be surprised if a running back is drafted next year, Ridley's contract year. It seems that it take a year to learn our offensive system. With the injury to Blount, Ridley will be back; the question is his role.

Ridley has had an injured knee this season so maybe we should chalk the fumbling up to that, heck people point out his fumble against Baltimore in which he was laid out cold. The point is people can spin things to how they want it to read whether they want to be positive on a player or negative on a player.

At the end of the day I said my piece, I have no animosity to anyone who disagrees with my position that Amendola has been disappointing this season and for the record I do hope he proves to be the player many claim he is or can become. I am moving off this topic now and wish the rest of you a nice evening and maybe we will correspond in an alternate thread.
 
So you are saying that the Charger and Broncos offenses share the same complexity that the Patriot one does. And no, when he's been injured and when he's carrying an injury, you cannot say the shot has been given. And I'm pretty sure BB doesn't think that thank goodness.

Yes........
 
Manx buddy the season is 68.5% complete the shot has been given, this is not a rookie he is a 5 year veteran who just turned 28 years old, how long of a shot do you want to give him? Woodhead went to San Diego and was effective from day one nobody had to give him a shot, Welker went to Denver and was effective from day one nobody had to give him a reasonable shot they showed up and performed, I don’t understand why you’re so intent on giving this guy a free pass. Either way you know I hold you in the highest regard as a posters so lets just leave it as agreeing to disagree.


Welker is healthy.


Woodhead is healthy.


Comparing Amendola to players who are healthy is stupid.


Wanting to get rid of a really good player in the prime of their career because they got hurt is equally stupid.

And using your logic Edelman would have been gone years ago because he has spent more than his ahre of time out with injuries.

Good thing they stuck with him, it is paying off.
 
I really think some here post just to exercise their fingers.
 
Welker is healthy.


Woodhead is healthy.


Comparing Amendola to players who are healthy is stupid.


Wanting to get rid of a really good player in the prime of their career because they got hurt is equally stupid.

And using your logic Edelman would have been gone years ago because he has spent more than his ahre of time out with injuries.

Good thing they stuck with him, it is paying off.

He wouldn’t have though he always performed when given the opportunity to and that was the case at multiple positions, he is also the best punt returner in the NFL. I just don’t understand where people get this belief that Amendola is anything more than the player who has 689 receiving yards in a season as a career high? Because he is white and plays the slot they think he can just come in and be Welker its silly Ivan and essentially disappointment waiting to occur. Like I said I said my piece I am more happy with Edelman than I am disappointed in Amendola and my disappointment in Amendola is false anyway since it has been created by my buying into the belief that he was just going to fill the void left by Welker which is clearly not something anyone can do based on the fact outside of Denver all of the other 31 teams in the NFL have lesser slot receivers.
 
He wouldn’t have though he always performed when given the opportunity to and that was the case at multiple positions, he is also the best punt returner in the NFL. I just don’t understand where people get this belief that Amendola is anything more than the player who has 689 receiving yards in a season as a career high? Because he is white and plays the slot they think he can just come in and be Welker its silly Ivan and essentially disappointment waiting to occur. Like I said I said my piece I am more happy with Edelman than I am disappointed in Amendola and my disappointment in Amendola is false anyway since it has been created by my buying into the belief that he was just going to fill the void left by Welker which is clearly not something anyone can do based on the fact outside of Denver all of the other 31 teams in the NFL have lesser slot receivers.


Most people believe that Amendola will be a better player and more productive with Tom Brady as his QB than Sam Bradford, so simply extrapolating his numbers from St. Louis as the ceiling for his production is really disingenuous. And repeatedly calling Amendola a "disappointment" because he got hurt makes no more sense than saying your are disappointed in Wilfork because he got hurt. It's ridiculous.
 
He wouldn’t have though he always performed when given the opportunity to and that was the case at multiple positions, he is also the best punt returner in the NFL. I just don’t understand where people get this belief that Amendola is anything more than the player who has 689 receiving yards in a season as a career high? Because he is white and plays the slot they think he can just come in and be Welker its silly Ivan and essentially disappointment waiting to occur. Like I said I said my piece I am more happy with Edelman than I am disappointed in Amendola and my disappointment in Amendola is false anyway since it has been created by my buying into the belief that he was just going to fill the void left by Welker which is clearly not something anyone can do based on the fact outside of Denver all of the other 31 teams in the NFL have lesser slot receivers.

Danny Amendola is only 6 months older than Julian Edelman and he has been much much more productive as a WR than Edelman ever was, and Edelman had Brady throwing him the ball. I'm happy to see Edelman doing well but he's not as good a receiver as Amendola and the only reason Amendola has not been as productive is because he has been hurt. You can act like that's his fault but it is more just a fact of life for playing in the NFL. The idea of being "disappointed" in any player for getting injured makes absolutely no sense at all. And it is more than a little ironic that you are saying Amendola is too old to start making his mark when he's only 6 months older than Edelman and it is only now that Edelman is emerging as a receiver.
 
Yes........

Even if that is the case, and I'm not necessarily buying the fact that it is, I'd suggest that Brady to Manning is an easier transition than Bradford to Brady so your point is moot regardless.

I just don't understand why you are so keen to write the book on Amendola's Patriot career when he's barely started it.
 
he always performed when given the opportunity to

This is a perfect example of recency bias. After a blistering start, Edelman had a bunch of quiet games this year and he doesn't have the injury excuse that Amendola did, either.
 
I am not arguing that the 5-year deal was a failure I am saying his first 11 games in a Patriots uniform have been and if I the team had a do over I think they would have been better off going a different direction. Danny Amendola is 28 years old and is not performing at a high level, he has 2084 receiving yards, averages 9.1 yards per reception and has 8 career touchdowns this is not a premium player and as much as I would like to believe at 29 years old in 2014 that’s going to be his breakout season I just don’t see it happening. If you want to see a future star look at Amendola’s replacement out in St Louis Tavon Austin who has more receptions, yards and 6 times as many touchdowns scored than his predecessor and he is 22 years old, the NFL is a young man’s outside of QB very few times do you see a player become something at age 29 or 30.

As far as my willingness to give Ridley more opportunity well the first reason is that Ridley is 24 years old, and the second reason is that Ridley and Amendola aren’t even in the same atmosphere as players – Ridley finished 7th in rushing yards, 3rd in rushing touchdowns and third rushing first downs in 2012. Amendola was 40th in receptions, 65th in receiving yards, 81st in touchdown receptions in 2012, even his best season 2010 he was 9th in receptions, 51st in receiving yards and tied for 81st in touchdowns. I give Ridley a chance to correct his fumbling issues because he fumbles less than 2% of the time he touches8 the ball and the other 98% of the time he is one of the best players at his position in the NFL despite being under 25 years old, Amendola is not one of the best players at his position he never has been, he is not even the best player at his position on his own team currently.

Fair enough. So you have no issues with Amendola, and your comparison to Welker statistically as a baseline was not to dimish Amendola? Amendola is here. Tavon Austin is a rookie picked #8 in the draft and was not an option if the Pats were looking for a slot receiver. You may as well dream of Calvin or Andre Johnson, Larry Fitgerald, or any other marquee player showing up at the doorstep. Amendola's stats are comparable, in age and totals, to Welker before he showed up in 2007. You agree Welker was not a bad decision, I suspect. You also agree there is no Randy Moss to divert the focus of defenses to make that transition as successful. If there was a younger player just as good, I suspect efforts would be made to land him. If there was such a player, I didn't hear the Pats were contenders for him.

This season has been a disappointment solely because Amendola has been (1) injured or (2) gimpy, so his true value over this contract remains a mystery and he has not been as productive as hoped by many to date. That leaves his value over the contract a mystery as well. If the guy catches 60 receptions (5+ receptions per game for the balance of the season), then I won't view it as a terrible season. If he makes significant contributions in the playoffs, then I will view him as a good acquisition in terms of this season and not a disappointment. He is a long-term deal, so much like Roosevelt Colvin, who is a case of "what might have been" without injury yet a solid contributor I was happy to see on the team, I am not writing him off. It seems you are a little less patient in defining his acquisition as bad, without really pointing to the alternatives available or what you expect he would bring and how long you give hime to meet your expectations. I don't believe Welker was ever coming back, no matter what the two sides may claim, so I don't measure him by Welker (Welker was the most productive receiver in the NFL post-2007, so a little bit of a high bar for any receiver). I didn't like Welker leaving, but I don't believe either side wanted that reunion no matter what public statements were offered.

As for Ridley, he is not a rookie regardless of age. This is his 3rd year. He has been through 2 full preseasons and two full seasons, and this year has been helping the other teams as much as his own with turnovers. If you do not see three potential losses he could have directly caused with his poor ball protection techniques, then you haven't been watching. The world would be very different at 6-5, and it took the work of the rest of his team to bring the Pats back on 2 occasions. I can deal with working with him given his skill set, Would you want Romo as your QB? Gaudy stats, but he is a Jonah because his low percentage turnovers have resulted in losses and killed seasons. The timing of infrequent turnovers can be more damaging than multiple turnovers. That is presently Ridley's issue, given the results.

Ultimately, Amendola is not hurting the team, but the production this year, and only this year, is probably not worth the price so a degree of patience is appropriate to see if he can get healthy and contribute as expected. Right now Ridley is hurting the team. One turnover can change the course of a game, and right now Ridley has three absolutely catastrophic turnovers, resulting in 14 points for the other team and taking 6 points off the board for the Pats in a game that was lost by less than that and dropping the Pats to #2 the playoff picture. Patience would appear to be in shorter supply given his time with the team and repeated, correctable mistakes that are damaging the Pats. I am all for patience with both, and hope Ridley corrects himself, but it just seems odd you are in "wait and see" mode with Ridley but expecting Welker-type numbers from Amendola when Welker is the bar for all receivers.
 
Also worth noting - Amendola and Edelman aren't mutually exclusive players. They both thrived while playing together in week 1. Sometimes I think fans unconsciously think you can only have one productive white wide receiver at any given time. It's not just the Patriots, either - witness the teeth-grinding in the summer about whether Welker would cut into Decker's production even though they're not even remotely similar players.
 
He wouldn’t have though he always performed when given the opportunity to and that was the case at multiple positions, he is also the best punt returner in the NFL. I just don’t understand where people get this belief that Amendola is anything more than the player who has 689 receiving yards in a season as a career high? Because he is white and plays the slot they think he can just come in and be Welker its silly Ivan and essentially disappointment waiting to occur. Like I said I said my piece I am more happy with Edelman than I am disappointed in Amendola and my disappointment in Amendola is false anyway since it has been created by my buying into the belief that he was just going to fill the void left by Welker which is clearly not something anyone can do based on the fact outside of Denver all of the other 31 teams in the NFL have lesser slot receivers.


You don't seem to realize that i was one of the primary people arguing that Amendola would not produce as much as Welker had, but that doesn't mean he wasn't worth the deal he got because 85% of Welker's production is more than worth it, and i understand the logic of getting Brady a slot receiver he can finish his career with. Belichcik brought Amendola in for the long term, and he isn't going anywhere, even if fans want to get rid of him because he got injured during the first half of his first season in New England.
 
This is a perfect example of recency bias. After a blistering start, Edelman had a bunch of quiet games this year and he doesn't have the injury excuse that Amendola did, either.



And if he has a few quiet weeks they will trash him and call for them to get rid of him.
 
Amendola clearly limped in second half yesterday, was that the groin injury?
 
Amendola clearly limped in second half yesterday, was that the groin injury?

He has been ever since the groin. This injury is gonna hold him back for awhile. We can only hope he gets closer to 95% come playoffs. But the thing is now, no matter who Tom throws to, he has playmakers.
 
Source for that? First I've heard. I'd thnik he'd be on IR if that were true.

Are you being sarcastic? Amendola's injury was widely discussed for weeks on this forum and in the media.
 
Fair enough. So you have no issues with Amendola, and your comparison to Welker statistically as a baseline was not to dimish Amendola? Amendola is here. Tavon Austin is a rookie picked #8 in the draft and was not an option if the Pats were looking for a slot receiver. You may as well dream of Calvin or Andre Johnson, Larry Fitgerald, or any other marquee player showing up at the doorstep. Amendola's stats are comparable, in age and totals, to Welker before he showed up in 2007. You agree Welker was not a bad decision, I suspect. You also agree there is no Randy Moss to divert the focus of defenses to make that transition as successful. If there was a younger player just as good, I suspect efforts would be made to land him. If there was such a player, I didn't hear the Pats were contenders for him.

This season has been a disappointment solely because Amendola has been (1) injured or (2) gimpy, so his true value over this contract remains a mystery and he has not been as productive as hoped by many to date. That leaves his value over the contract a mystery as well. If the guy catches 60 receptions (5+ receptions per game for the balance of the season), then I won't view it as a terrible season. If he makes significant contributions in the playoffs, then I will view him as a good acquisition in terms of this season and not a disappointment. He is a long-term deal, so much like Roosevelt Colvin, who is a case of "what might have been" without injury yet a solid contributor I was happy to see on the team, I am not writing him off. It seems you are a little less patient in defining his acquisition as bad, without really pointing to the alternatives available or what you expect he would bring and how long you give hime to meet your expectations. I don't believe Welker was ever coming back, no matter what the two sides may claim, so I don't measure him by Welker (Welker was the most productive receiver in the NFL post-2007, so a little bit of a high bar for any receiver). I didn't like Welker leaving, but I don't believe either side wanted that reunion no matter what public statements were offered.

As for Ridley, he is not a rookie regardless of age. This is his 3rd year. He has been through 2 full preseasons and two full seasons, and this year has been helping the other teams as much as his own with turnovers. If you do not see three potential losses he could have directly caused with his poor ball protection techniques, then you haven't been watching. The world would be very different at 6-5, and it took the work of the rest of his team to bring the Pats back on 2 occasions. I can deal with working with him given his skill set, Would you want Romo as your QB? Gaudy stats, but he is a Jonah because his low percentage turnovers have resulted in losses and killed seasons. The timing of infrequent turnovers can be more damaging than multiple turnovers. That is presently Ridley's issue, given the results.

Ultimately, Amendola is not hurting the team, but the production this year, and only this year, is probably not worth the price so a degree of patience is appropriate to see if he can get healthy and contribute as expected. Right now Ridley is hurting the team. One turnover can change the course of a game, and right now Ridley has three absolutely catastrophic turnovers, resulting in 14 points for the other team and taking 6 points off the board for the Pats in a game that was lost by less than that and dropping the Pats to #2 the playoff picture. Patience would appear to be in shorter supply given his time with the team and repeated, correctable mistakes that are damaging the Pats. I am all for patience with both, and hope Ridley corrects himself, but it just seems odd you are in "wait and see" mode with Ridley but expecting Welker-type numbers from Amendola when Welker is the bar for all receivers.

To be completely honest I don’t think Amendola was a $5 million a year receiver last season or any season in the NFL for that matter. Posters hang on what was Welker before he got here and try and compare that to what Amendola was with the Rams but the truth is Welker was a player who had been in the league for 2 seasons and played in 32 of 32 games and had improved year over year as player in both of his 2 prior seasons, Amendola was a player who had been in the league 4 seasons played in 42 of 64 games and his best season was 2 years ago in 2010 and overall he has basically been the same level player each year he has been in the league. We signed Welker on an upswing of a young player about to breakout, we signed Amendola as an average to slightly above average slot/possession receiver – Amendola’s body of work injured or uninjured indicates to me that this is what he a player who can have a few really good games a season and then be mediocre in the rest of his games.

2012

9/16 vs. Redskins he was targeted 16 times for 15 receptions resulting in 160 yards and a touchdown
11/11 vs. 49ers he was targeted 12 times for 11 receptions resulting in 102 yards

In his other 9 games he was targeted 73 times for 37 receptions (50.6% catch ration) 404 yards per catch and 2 touchdowns. Look back at 2010 as well if you look past the 2 games he did well vs. the 49ers and his biggest game vs. Detroit he is subpar in the other games. If you ask me we have gotten exactly what Amendola is out of Amendola, history is the best way to predict the future and it would appear that Amendola is going for 2-3 maybe even 4 very good games if he plays a 16 games schedule and outside of that he is going to be what we saw last night 6 targets, 3 receptions and 17 yards.

I don’t have an issue with that, possession receivers are clearly important and I will gladly take his 2-3 or maybe 4 big games a year, but I am not going to sit here and pretend that we’re waiting for the second coming, maybe in July/August/September you could have sold me on that conception but now I just want to call a spade a spade, sort of like everyone who held out hope last season for Lloyd to get comfortable in the offense and then he was going to become this amazing deep threat we hadn’t had since Moss, that never happened. Wes Welker and Randy Moss are not walking through that door it is what it is, not an awful thing we’re still 8-3 and coming off a huge win.
 
Most people believe that Amendola will be a better player and more productive with Tom Brady as his QB than Sam Bradford, so simply extrapolating his numbers from St. Louis as the ceiling for his production is really disingenuous. And repeatedly calling Amendola a "disappointment" because he got hurt makes no more sense than saying your are disappointed in Wilfork because he got hurt. It's ridiculous.

I don’t agree with that first Bradford is actually a good QB when he is able to remain healthy and on the field, second plenty of wide receivers have tremendous seasons when paired with poor QBs:

  • Josh Gordon has 54 receptions for 988 yards and 5 touchdowns playing Cleveland.
  • Vincent Jackson has 58 receptions for 888 yards and 5 touchdowns playing in Tampa Bay.
  • Kendall Wright has 65 receptions for 763 yards and 2 touchdowns playing in Tennessee.
  • Cecil Shorts has 58 receptions 700 receiving yards and 1 touchdown playing for Jacksonville.

It is not about his being injured it is about his not being a $5 million receiving at any point in his career and believing it was going to be any different just cause he came here a place where he would be held to a higher standard of play and where winning was a priority vs. playing in low key St. Louis where he could have a great game and then disappear for weeks at a was a bad concept from the beginning.

We don’t have to agree and I appreciate your being respectful in your objections to my position and I hope you feel I am being so in return.
 
Re: Re: Amendola?

That is great that they protected themselves and Edelman stepped up and delivered but it doesn't change that Amendola has been a huge disappointment in terms of replacing Welker and just in terms of a free agent signing in general. I'm fine with the slot position as well but I am not fine with Danny Amendola he is being paid 5 times what we're paying Edelman and Edelman has outperformed Amendola in just about every game this season some weeks such as last night the difference looked like they didn't even belong on the same field. Amendola has been far and away the most disappointing player on this team this season in my opinion - nobody else is even close. To be honest if we could cut him to have a shot at a 3rd or 4th round compensatory draft pick for Welker I would do it in a heart beat.

I agree with the dissapointment in Danny but the player im most dissapointed with is Hightower.
 
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