OT: BRADY or PAPI....

[ausbacker]

now you're just trolling.


Didn't the patriots win a afc championship game playing poorly?


nfl is a team sport
baseball is a me sport.

See, I don't think it's fair to say NFL is a team sport and Baseball is a sport. Both have their own constraints and environment in which they operate. The point of conversation is who is more important to Boston? I will gladly argue that Tom Brady is more important to the Patriots than David Ortiz is to the Red Sox. Now, given that qualification, the Red Sox don't win the 2013 World Series without Ortiz's bat.

Really, it's silly to argue that one is more important than the other to Boston fans. Red Sox fans will argue Ortiz and Patriots fans will argue Brady. Both are visible center points of their team and both have produced at high levels when it matters most, the post-season. What I find distressing is that people feel the need to put down the accomplishments of the other to enforce the belief that one is superior to the other.

 

[Patsrock]

I don't think my opinion much matters since I don't have a vote.

If it were up to me, I'd put them in and have a display documenting the issue and a comment on each players placque.

Okay.

My point is I see NFL first fans talking about PEDs in baseball and how it is a problem. But yet ignore that NFL policy is a joke compared to MLB ( who tests for hgh).

Not saying you do but it just makes me mad that people dont look at the NFL with the same distaste towards they do with baseball

 

[TyronePoole]

See, I don't think it's fair to say NFL is a team sport and Baseball is a sport. Both have their own constraints and environment in which they operate. The point of conversation is who is more important to Boston? I will gladly argue that Tom Brady is more important to the Patriots than David Ortiz is to the Red Sox. Now, given that qualification, the Red Sox don't win the 2013 World Series without Ortiz's bat.

Really, it's silly to argue that one is more important than the other to Boston fans. Red Sox fans will argue Ortiz and Patriots fans will argue Brady. Both are visible center points of their team and both have produced at high levels when it matters most, the post-season. What I find distressing is that people feel the need to put down the accomplishments of the other to enforce the belief that one is superior to the other.

If you went to SoSH the vast majority would say Brady ainec

 

[coolguy]

See, I don't think it's fair to say NFL is a team sport and Baseball is a sport. Both have their own constraints and environment in which they operate. The point of conversation is who is more important to Boston? I will gladly argue that Tom Brady is more important to the Patriots than David Ortiz is to the Red Sox. Now, given that qualification, the Red Sox don't win the 2013 World Series without Ortiz's bat.

Really, it's silly to argue that one is more important than the other to Boston fans. Red Sox fans will argue Ortiz and Patriots fans will argue Brady. Both are visible center points of their team and both have produced at high levels when it matters most, the post-season. What I find distressing is that people feel the need to put down the accomplishments of the other to enforce the belief that one is superior to the other.

You're right. I'm just shocked at how dismissive pats are here.

Maybe it's jealousy.

 

[AzorianPats]

OK, I get it. The Sox won last night, and people are jumping on that bandwagon at a rapid pace, but let's stop this. David Ortiz is a great player, and a future HOF. He was a monster this post season, huge reason why the Sox won, but he is not even close to being in the same stratosphere as Tom Brady. Brady is the face of Boston/New England sports. Brady, Bird, Orr, Williams and Russell are the elite. Ortiz is a notch below with the likes of Bourque and maybe Yaz.

 

[ausbacker]

If you went to SoSH the vast majority would say Brady ainec

I've already made mention that I believe it's Brady but marginally and because the Patriots are my #1 team. What I have proposed is I can see why you can make an argument for Ortiz given his post-season performances.

To me, it's not a simple and definitive Brady ahead of Ortiz argument. They're both Boston legends in my eyes, legends who I hope both add another couple of titles to Boston folklore.

 

[Pessimistic Pete]

Tom Brady is arguably the greatest player at the most important position in NFL history.

-2 time NFL MVP
-2 time Super Bowl MVP
-Greatest QB season in NFL history (2007)

Plus the whole 3 Super Bowl Championships, 5 AFC Championships, 10 playoff appearances, etc.

Comparing a QUARTERBACK's importance to a designated hitter's importance is ABSURD. Big Papi is great but come on, this question is an absolute JOKE. Tom Brady is one of the greatest players in NFL HISTORY. This topic is disrespectful.

i think boston has and always will be a red sox town.

Yeah, according to old farts like Bob Ryan and Dan Shaughnessy.

People under 35 care about the Patriots more. People in general care about football more than baseball. Baseball is on the decline every single year.

The mid-afternoon Patriots/Saints regular season game during the got a 35.1 rating in Boston.

The primetime Red Sox American League Championship playoff series game for the Red Sox got a 24.2 rating.

Sorry, numbers don't lie. The Patriots are more popular in Boston, despite what the old farts want you to believe

 

[coolguy]

If you went to SoSH the vast majority would say Brady ainec

To quote Giselle "tom brady can't throw to himself" "Tom brady can't catch passes"


Tom brady is nothing without a o-line and good receivers.

 

[letekro]

Hate how people use championships as a measure of individual greatness in team sports. Do you really think David Ortiz could hold Ted Williams's jock? Do you think Eli friggin Manning is a better QB than his brother or Dan Marino? Bill Russell over Wilt even though Wilt would torch him every time out there? It's just absurd. This is the Mt Rushmore of Boston Sports:

Brady-Bird-Orr-Williams

Ie, the best player to play for each of the four franchises.

 

[AzorianPats]

You're right. I'm just shocked at how dismissive pats are here.

Maybe it's jealousy.

I'm not gonna go back and quote every post you made, but your in a Patriots message board, so while the Sox and their achievements might mean more to you, you don't speak for everyone.

You come of as a condescending prick.. Sorry just seems like your trying to rile people up here.

 

[coolguy]

Hate how people use championships as a measure of individual greatness in team sports. Do you really think David Ortiz could hold Ted Williams's jock? Do you think Eli friggin Manning is a better QB than his brother or Dan Marino? Bill Russell over Wilt even though Wilt would torch him every time out there? It's just absurd. This is the Mt Rushmore of Boston Sports:

Brady-Bird-Orr-Williams

Ie, the best player to play for each of the four franchises.

Give me a ******* brake.

If it wasn't for rings would anyone put brady in peyton manning class?

 

[Nikolai]

I'm not sure if someone has said this, but this is an easy way of looking at it.

Which would you prefer?

1. The Red Sox without Papi

2. The Patriots without Brady

To me, the answer is obvious.

 

[Brady6]

now you're just trolling.


Didn't the patriots win a afc championship game WITH BRADY playing poorly?


nfl is a team sport
baseball is a me sport.

How am I trolling, David Ortiz serves 1 purpose to a baseball team and that is going up to bat 3-4 times a game, that to me equates to Gostkowski taking the field for 3-4 field goals a game, it is important that he makes them to the success of the team but nothing else that the team does relies on it.

I think they’re both team sports personally, if you hit a single it is really hard to score without the assistance of a teammate, and if you’re a pitcher your ERA is probably going to pretty damn high without the fielders. The only sport where 1 player can really change the facet of the game is the NBA and even that is limited at some levels, either way though the trolling comment accusation is a serious reach, I am offering my opinion if you disagree that’s fine but it doesn’t mean my post is trolling.

 

[ausbacker]

Give me a ******* brake.

If it wasn't for rings would anyone put brady in peyton manning class?

Come on mate. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but Brady is so much better than Manning because he's that clutch playoff performer.

 

[TyronePoole]

To quote Giselle "tom brady can't throw to himself" "Tom brady can't catch passes"


Tom brady is nothing without a o-line and good receivers.

You seem like a mouthbreather/bordlerline troll but I'm going to actually respond to this stupid post. Have you looked at the records of NFL teams over the past decade? What's the common denominator? Beyond the insane variance that comes with a one and done playoff format the consistantly good teams almost invariably have a good Quarterback. It's the most important position in all sports outside of Basketball.

It could take decades to replace Brady and remain viable. We happen to have a GOAT coach so that papers over some of the cracks but over >1-2 seasons with a replacement level QB we are average as is almost every other NFL team. That's how the NFL is today.

The Red Sox could have lost David Ortiz and replaced his production without blinking an eye at any point in the last decade. He's an above average power hitter who can't play defense above a competent level that due to a small sample size and poor understanding of actual value people think is some mythical entity in the postseason. That's it. Sorry.

 

[Nikolai]

Give me a ******* brake.

If it wasn't for rings would anyone put brady in peyton manning class?

Only if said person did a thorough analysis and realized that Brady has better stats than Manning indoors, outdoors, and in the playoffs but because he has spent most of his career in the elements, has lower cumulative numbers.

In other words, you have no ****** idea what you're talking about.

 

[coolguy]

I'm not sure if someone has said this, but this is an easy way of looking at it.

Which would you prefer?

1. The Red Sox without Papi

2. The Patriots without Brady

To me, the answer is obvious.

I think the patriots could win a superbowl without brady if the defense plays good. case and point the 11-5 2008 patriots.

 

[Ivan]

I really hope we are talking about Brady Quinn.

 

[coolguy]

Only if said person did a thorough analysis and realized that Brady has better stats than Manning indoors, outdoors, and in the playoffs but because he has spent most of his career in the elements, has lower cumulative numbers.

In other words, you have no ****** idea what you're talking about.

Are you saying brady has better stats than manning?

 

[AzorianPats]

I wonder how many NFL players would fail MLB drug testing policy.


I hate people during a blind eye to NFL players testing positive for PEDs. Pats have guys that I can name without googling who have been suspended for failed drug tests.

Red Sox have none.

NFL fans talking about MLB be players being dirty need to look at their sport.

Both sports are littered with PED's. No question.