Ridley being hurt is a pretty big issue for this team

[Get it shawtaay]

Not sure where that comes from, but Doug Martin averaged 4.6 in 16 games last year and 3.4 in 4 games this year, and 4.3 for hs career, so your stats are about as indicative of anything as his.

That's the point. Stats without context are just that. Ignoring the fact that football is a team game, and the running back position is about maximizing what your blockers give you, is disingenuous use of stats.

 

[Rob0729]

Maroney 4 seasons with the pats, 4 fumbles
Riddley 3 seasons with the pats, 6 fumbles

Maroney YPc: 4.1
Riddley ypc 4.4

Maroney Long run during his first 3 years 59 yards
Riddleys current longest run 51 yards



coming out of the backfield as a receiver

Maroney avg yards per reception 14.9
Riddley 8.2

I'd hardly say .3 yards per carry compared to ball security issues, and being a less effective receiver put riddley in a catagory much higher then maroney was.

Riddley so far in his career has not been as good as people seem to think.

Cherry picking stats is not a way to prove anything. Maroney was never the RB that Ridley is. Maroney was never a lead back or a short yardage back. Both those facts makes their YPC comparison irrelevant. If Maroney isn't rushing on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2, that helps his YPC average while hurts Ridley who would run on those downs.

Also, Maroney had 44 receptions in his 5 year career and Ridley has had 14 thus far in his career. I think both players' receiving stats are totally irrelevant.

As for longest run, who cares? One play does not define a career. Why not look at number of runs over 20 yards or something more relevant than longest runs. I don't know which play each player got their longest run on, but I bet it was for a TD and they still would have gotten that TD if they had to run 99 yards instead of the distance they actually ran.

 

[chasa]

That's the point. Stats without context are just that. Ignoring the fact that football is a team game, and the running back position is about maximizing what your blockers give you, is disingenuous use of stats.

fair enough,

Blount is getting more out of what the blockers are giving then riddley.

 

[Ring 6]

fair enough,

Blount is getting more out of what the blockers are giving then riddley.

No he is not.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

riddley is... constantly fumbling the ball.

Blount is getting more out of what the blockers are giving then riddley.

#1: How do you like Blount, who for his career fumbles more than twice as often?

#2:

 

[goheels22002]

Ridley practiced this week.

New England Patriots-New Orleans Saints Injury Report | Patriots 101 | Sports Media 101

It would be great if he and Gronk make it back against the Saints.

 

[woolster22]

Re: Re: Ridley being hurt is a pretty big issue for this team

fair enough,

Blount is getting more out of what the blockers are giving then riddley.

Blount is a 250# finesse back. Last week he was running his size up until the fumble. I was surprised. Only a few plays where he ***** footed through the hole, rather than lowering his shoulder and getting the tough yards available. He rarely creates extra yards through a small crease, something ridley generally accels at.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

If anything riddley is turning into maroney 2.0 what with his 3.5 YPC average, and his constantly fumbling the ball.

Yep. You have no idea what you are talking about

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Not sure where that comes from, but Doug Martin averaged 4.6 in 16 games last year and 3.4 in 4 games this year, and 4.3 for hs career, so your stats are about as indicative of anything as his.

he was joking :bricks:..but got his fact wrong

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Ridley vs. Maroney is a pretty pointless argument, but Maroney of 06 and 07 was every bit as useful as Ridley has been for us, and we counted on him for some tough yardage late in 2007. I think Ridley is definitely a more decisive runner, but he's not as dynamic. Maroney ran for 100+ yard against Jax and SD, IIRC. Those offensive lines were much better run blocking though.

I think Maroney lost his will to fight through the pain in 2008, and he was toast not long after that. I'll never forget him sort of keeling over at first contact against SF.

 

[Sicilian]

This offense can thrive without Ridley.

This offense can thrive without Vereen.

This offense can thrive without Gronk.

This offense can thrive without Hernandez.

This offense can thrive with Amendola/Edelman instead of Welker.

This offense can thrive with two rookies playing the outside WR spots.

The problem is this offense last week was operating under ALL of the above conditions, and may have to do so again this week.

 

[captain stone]

Actually Blount is Antowain Smith 2.0
Last week he got tackled at the los running over LT by the LDE (opposite side of the field). The only 2 backs I've ever seen that happen to.

Antowain Smith > Blount.

 

[RIpats88]

Is ridley having a bad year though? or is the coaching staff just being stubborn? last year he was given the bulk of the carries which is why he had a solid overall year.

this year, they are splitting them up between him and lesser running backs like Blount, bolden....Even against Atlanta he had a really GOOD first half, then they decided to just go with blount the rest of the game..If it wasnt for that huge breakoff run he wouldve had a pretty pedestrian day

The team this year also for whatever reason has been reluctant to stay with the run. had we stuck with it against the bengals, maybe we wouldve been able to get the play action game going.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Maroney 4 seasons with the pats, 4 fumbles
Riddley 3 seasons with the pats, 6 fumbles

Maroney YPc: 4.1
Riddley ypc 4.4

Maroney Long run during his first 3 years 59 yards
Riddleys current longest run 51 yards



coming out of the backfield as a receiver

Maroney avg yards per reception 14.9
Riddley 8.2

I'd hardly say .3 yards per carry compared to ball security issues, and being a less effective receiver put riddley in a catagory much higher then maroney was.

Riddley so far in his career has not been as good as people seem to think.

You forgot about the law firm lol

 

[JMC00]

Why not look at number of runs over 20 yards or something more relevant than longest runs.

Maroney
45 games
582 attempts
16 runs of 20 or more yards

Ridley
36 games
424 attempts
13 runs of 20 or more yards

 

[Ring 6]

Antowain Smith > Blount.

Arguable point

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: Ridley being hurt is a pretty big issue for this team

fair enough,

Blount is getting more out of what the blockers are giving then riddley.

Blount ran well on a tired and injured TB team and broke off a run against Atlanta other than that he has done next to nothing with his carries. I personally think the coaches use of Blount has been one of the things hurting this offense in the early season games.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: Ridley being hurt is a pretty big issue for this team

Maroney YPc: 4.1
Doug Martin YPc: 3.4

Clearly Laurence Maroney is a better back than Doug Martin.

The thing people don't realize about Maroney is he failed in the NFL because he was a druggie. So unless Ridley is one too you can't compare the two.

 

[Ring 6]

The thing people don't realize about Maroney is he failed in the NFL because he was a druggie. So unless Ridley is one too you can't compare the two.

Where does that information come from?

 

[strngplyr]

Where does that information come from?

Yeah, the only "criminal" thing against him is a dropped weapon charge because he had a permit to carry the concealed weapon.

Unless I'm missing something, Maroney is pretty clean.