We should have resigned W... (not Welker - Woodhead)

[Ring 6]

Vereen has managed to play in 19 of 36 regular season games...which is very exciting.
In all seriousness, NE has given prominent offensive roles to 3 players with durability issues.
Ah.....The choices a team must face when bumping up against the cap....Oh wait.....the team isn't bumping up against the cap. Never mind
Ah....The choices a team must make when trying to squeeze blood from two nickels.
We do have Leon Washington ready to enter the game....any minute now....which is also exciting. Can't wait for the Washington-Blount Two Headed Serpent to appear for kick offs. LW fields the kickoff, then executes a crisp reverse hand off to our kick off missile....Mr Blount. That BB....always three steps ahead of the pack (excluding 2nd round DB draft picks of course)

I feel for all the suffering you have endured as a Patriot fan.

 

[Brady6]

Once again. He plays RB, when they go empty he is split out. You can't jus make up that it is something different.
I know you think that is the same thing, but its not.

Once again you’re incorrect as 41% of his snaps have been played from the slot wide receiver position. If anyone is just making things up or guess that would be you’re in this situation.

No he doesnt. He is a good receiving RB who is hard for LBs to cover. He is not a WR who is hard for corners to cover.
Yes both catch passes, are we going to say Gronk and Desean Jackson have the same attributes?

He has 4.33 speed, runs tight routes and works well in space I am pretty sure he can get open.

This is where your lack of knowledge shines through.
A 3rd down back is effective because he is covered by a LB. Its called a mismatch. There really isn't a scheme that uses 2 of those guys together, because it doesn't create 2 mismatches on the defense.
Your idea that someone should create a scheme for this is like saying we did so well with 2 TEs we should get 4 and figure out how to use them all together.

My lack of knowledge – hmm, this statement is the biggest fail I have read in this forum ever.

Woodhead receptions by downs:

Down 1 – 8 receptions, 1 touchdown
Down 2 – 7 receptions, 1 touchdown
Down 3 – 7 receptions, 0 touchdowns

Somebody needs to tell Danny that he is only supposed to be successful on 3rd down being covered by a linebacker.

So you think Woodhead would be fine being a backup 3rd down back in NE instead of being the 3rd down back in SD?

A backup – Vereen has not played since week 1 and is not eligible to return until week 9, so yeah I think he would have been just fine considering Vereen has missed time because of injury in all 3 of his NFL season and significant time in 2 of the seasons. The belief that would be different is almost as irrational as those expecting Amendola to be a 16 game starter just because he signed here.

 

[Sciz]

Oh gosh, we're back to the Danny Amendola argument.

"Vereen hurt his hamstring in 2011 and foot in 2012. The Pats should have known he'd break his wrist!"

 

[Brady6]

I don't know how Ridley having a backup has anything to do with this.

Brandon Bolden was Ridley’s backup and he is still here, so to suggest that is why Blount was added is false. Clearly Blount being here has “******ed” Ridley’s development and given Ridley had never missed a game in his career (this week will be his first) due to injury I think I would be far more interested in having a backup on board for Vereen who has played in less than half the games over his 2+ seasons in the NFL.

You think because you manipulate reality or leave out substance your position carries merit but I look at facts and facts will always win out over a personal agenda, the Ron Borges approach to posting in here is not something I would continue to strive for if I was you.

 

[Brady6]

Oh gosh, we're back to the Danny Amendola argument.

"Vereen hurt his hamstring in 2011 and foot in 2012. The Pats should have known he'd break his wrist!"

No they should have prepared for the possibility, history is considered a viable tool to predict future outcomes, it is one of the reasons they teach social studies and history in K-12 with passing it being a requirement for graduation.

 

[JoeSixPat]

But he had no spot here because Vereen was taking his job.

Woodhead had 40 catches averaging 11 yards per catch last season and runs consistently over 4 yards a carry - and is on pace for 88 catches this season

A good number of his catches always seem to be on third downs

Vereen certainly has potential to be even better but he hasn't actually done it yet.

Call me crazy but I think you can find room on the roster for that kind of a player with proven performance even if it costs you a whopping $1.75 million and means that the UDFA on the bubble (or washed up veteran) at #53 slips to #54

He'd be nice to have right now just as a receiving option alone - but I'm glad he's doing well - he's a Rudy kindof a player and all he seems to do is make those who assert he's too small look small minded.

Now if Woodhead wanted to take his talents elsewhere to a place where he'd get more playing time, I can't fault the Patriots for that - but would I want him on the roster given his proven performance? Absolutely.

 

[Ring 6]

Once again you’re incorrect as 41% of his snaps have been played from the slot wide receiver position. If anyone is just making things up or guess that would be you’re in this situation.

Link? Because watching the game belies that.

He has 4.33 speed, runs tight routes and works well in space I am pretty sure he can get open.

He is not a WR. "Runs tight routes and works well in space" based upon what?

My lack of knowledge – hmm, this statement is the biggest fail I have read in this forum ever.

Im not writing your posts for you, so you should look in the mirror on this one.

Woodhead receptions by downs:

Down 1 – 8 receptions, 1 touchdown
Down 2 – 7 receptions, 1 touchdown
Down 3 – 7 receptions, 0 touchdowns

Somebody needs to tell Danny that he is only supposed to be successful on 3rd down being covered by a linebacker.

You are kidding right?
You cannot possibly be this obtuse.

A backup – Vereen has not played since week 1 and is not eligible to return until week 9, so yeah I think he would have been just fine considering Vereen has missed time because of injury in all 3 of his NFL season and significant time in 2 of the seasons. The belief that would be different is almost as irrational as those expecting Amendola to be a 16 game starter just because he signed here.

Well you will have to take that up with the guy who made those decisions, Belichick.
I think you are smart enough to get this and just being difficult, but one more time.
Vereen evolved last year and was taking the 3rd down back role away. (oops, I have to explain this one too. 3rd down backs play in passing situations and often in hurry up. Woodhead played the most snaps of any RB in the team in 2010 as the 3rd down back, because we run the spread hurry up a lot).
So if the Patriots wanted to resign Woodhead, they either had to hold Vereen back from the role he took, or make Woodhead the backup. They chose Vereen. Woodhead was not going to come back to back up Vereen and hope for a chance when he gets hurt, when the Chargers brought him in to do exactly what he did in NE.

By the way as a Patriotlast Woodhead caught 33 passes o 1st down 29 on 2nd and 30 on 3rd in the role commonly referred to as 3rd down back, so you should correct yourself on that one.

 

[Ring 6]

Woodhead had 40 catches averaging 11 yards per catch last season and runs consistently over 4 yards a carry - and is on pace for 88 catches this season

A good number of his catches always seem to be on third downs

Vereen certainly has potential to be even better but he hasn't actually done it yet.

Call me crazy but I think you can find room on the roster for that kind of a player with proven performance even if it costs you a whopping $1.75 million and means that the UDFA on the bubble (or washed up veteran) at #53 slips to #54

He'd be nice to have right now just as a receiving option alone - but I'm glad he's doing well - he's a Rudy kindof a player and all he seems to do is make those who assert he's too small look small minded.

Now if Woodhead wanted to take his talents elsewhere to a place where he'd get more playing time, I can't fault the Patriots for that - but would I want him on the roster given his proven performance? Absolutely.

Belichick made the choice of Vereen. Its unreasonable to think Woodhead stays with a fraction of the playing time he could get elsewhere.

 

[Ring 6]

No they should have prepared for the possibility, history is considered a viable tool to predict future outcomes, it is one of the reasons they teach social studies and history in K-12 with passing it being a requirement for graduation.

So you are calling BB a moron?

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: We should have resigned W...

So you are calling BB a moron?

Yes that is exactly what I said wow. You really enjoy fighting on the internet huh? It gets your rocks off doesn't it? Seriously get a life preferably one that doesn't involve quoting my posts I have neither the time or the desire for your ridiculous nonsense so go away please!

 

[Ring 6]

Brandon Bolden was Ridley’s backup and he is still here, so to suggest that is why Blount was added is false. Clearly Blount being here has “******ed” Ridley’s development and given Ridley had never missed a game in his career (this week will be his first) due to injury I think I would be far more interested in having a backup on board for Vereen who has played in less than half the games over his 2+ seasons in the NFL.

I have no clue what you are trying to say.
Blount caused Ridleys injury?
Is it really difficult for you to understand that Vereen and Woodhead play the same role and you have to either chose one or split the job?

You think because you manipulate reality or leave out substance your position carries merit but I look at facts and facts will always win out over a personal agenda,

I have no agenda, and have not manipulated anything. I'm sorry that you struggle when it is pointed out that you are wrong but there isn't much I can really do about that other than ignore you.

the Ron Borges approach to posting in here is not something I would continue to strive for if I was you.

Pal, you are off your rocker.
Just don't respond to my posts please. I just want to discuss football not have to deal with someones inferiority complex and butthurt postings because you are disagreed with.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes that is exactly what I said wow. You really enjoy fighting on the internet huh? It gets your rocks off doesn't it? Seriously get a life preferably one that doesn't involve quoting my posts I have neither the time or the desire for your ridiculous nonsense so go away please!

You are the one who criticized his decision and compared it to a level of ignorance that every HS graduate should have surpassed.
Dont get mad at me because of what you post.

And you really need to grow up and stop the personal attacks. It is very immature.

 

[Sciz]

No they should have prepared for the possibility, history is considered a viable tool to predict future outcomes, it is one of the reasons they teach social studies and history in K-12 with passing it being a requirement for graduation.

I get what you mean. I work in a career that almost completely consists of using past results to predict the future. The difference (in a very simplistic sense) is that past weather catastrophes are a much better predictor of future weather catastrophes than hamstring strains are of broken wrists.

On a lighter note, my career has also been compared to a guy directing the person steering a car while looking out the back window.

 

[Deus Irae]

I get what you mean. I work in a career that almost completely consists of using past results to predict the future. The difference (in a very simplistic sense) is that past weather catastrophes are a much better predictor of future weather catastrophes than hamstring strains are of broken wrists.

On a lighter note, my career has also been compared to a guy directing the person steering a car while looking out the back window.

You keep trying to minimize the knowledge gained from particular individuals who suffer frequent injuries by making the 'unrelated' point your argument.

The human body simply doesn't work that way, and individuals who appear to be prone to injury are generally precisely that.

 

[Sciz]

You keep trying to minimize the knowledge gained from particular individuals who suffer frequent injuries by making the 'unrelated' point your argument.

The human body simply doesn't work that way, and individuals who appear to be prone to injury are generally precisely that.

So what's the physiological correlation between lower body muscle strains and upper body broken bones?

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: We should have resigned W...

I have no clue what you are trying to say.
Blount caused Ridleys injury?
Is it really difficult for you to understand that Vereen and Woodhead play the same role and you have to either chose one or split the job?


I have no agenda, and have not manipulated anything. I'm sorry that you struggle when it is pointed out that you are wrong but there isn't much I can really do about that other than ignore you.


Pal, you are off your rocker.
Just don't respond to my posts please. I just want to discuss football not have to deal with someones inferiority complex and butthurt postings because you are disagreed with.

Your actually funny, I offered to move off this yesterday but you kept following me around like a troll so this is where we have landed, you lying to me and lying to yourself, we both know you kept this going because fighting on forums is fulfilling to you and I indulged you and like a fat chick with a bag of chocolate you just couldn't stop. Today I gave you a good look at yourself in the mirror so you claim your here to talk football just like the fat chick claims she's on a diet after she sees her reflection in the mirror.

I'd tell you to stop lying to me but you need to stop lying to yourself first Andy.

 

[mgteich]

Vereen, Amendola, Vollmer, Edelman, Talib and Gronkowksi have had multiple injuries. You can choose to believe that none of them are any more likely that any other at their position to be injured. I would disagree. Past injuries may not be a great indicator of future injuries, but it is a better indicator that the total lack of injuries.

You ask for a physiological explanation. There may be none. That does not mean that these players are not more likely to be injured. I don't look for the why's. I just think that the team is cautious when signing such players to long term contracts.

Edelman is a fine example. Some say that his injuries aren't related. Others try to see his style of play as a contributing factor. There may be may factors that contribute to a player being less likely to be injured, or more so.

So what's the physiological correlation between lower body muscle strains and upper body broken bones?

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: We should have resigned W...

I get what you mean. I work in a career that almost completely consists of using past results to predict the future. The difference (in a very simplistic sense) is that past weather catastrophes are a much better predictor of future weather catastrophes than hamstring strains are of broken wrists.

On a lighter note, my career has also been compared to a guy directing the person steering a car while looking out the back window.

Honestly Sciz all summer I preached that Amendola would be healthy and blamed his injuries on Bradford leading him into big hits, etc. Then Danny comes in and can't even make it through 3 quarters before suffering a significant injury.

My thought now is the NFL is a extremely violent sport and some players bodies are not capable of that type of abuse so in some way whether a broken bone, pulled muscle or torn ligament will suffer some injury no matter what the situation. You may not be able to predict the actual injury but if a players body breaks down in some form every year you should predict something.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: We should have resigned W...

You keep trying to minimize the knowledge gained from particular individuals who suffer frequent injuries by making the 'unrelated' point your argument.

The human body simply doesn't work that way, and individuals who appear to be prone to injury are generally precisely that.

Exactly I think some players just cannot handle the game physically. Their bodies are built for the abuse, its like driving a sports car off road it might be able to do it maybe even well but eventually the abuse will take it's toll and something will breakdown.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

we have vereen..or did..no need for danny