Business Insider "BB's Drafting of DBs Is Killing The Pats"

[Triumph]

The excuse makers come out of the woodwork at any mention of BB's sorry drafting of DBs. Its a big line of BS to say that there werent better players still on the draft board after NE made their selections.

The bottom line is that NE not only has the hardest position in the NFL to fill solidified they also have a HOF QB. Brady has hidden the ugly warts of these past failed drafts. BB the GM has let BB the HC down.

2011
# 33 Ras IR Dowling
#154 Richard Sherman OUCH! Seattle has found 2 young starting CBs and it didnt take 9 drafts.

2009
# 34 Pat Chung
# 41 Darius Bustler
# 88 Ladarius Webb

2008
# 62 Terrence Wheatley
# 143 Branson Carr OUCH!
# 129 Jon Wilhype
# 229 Cary Williams - Just started in the Super Bowl

2007
# 24 Brandon Meriweather
# 37 Eric Weddle
# 126 Dashon Goldson OUCH!

 

[Snake Eyes]

My point is...

One can generate a seemingly infinite amount of 'what if' scenarios which would have more directly influenced the games' outcomes.

If you are arguing the correlation between the 'what if scenarios' I suggested and SB victories are weaker than the correlation to the scenarios you proposed... you are seriously misguided.

It is unquestionable that better DB drafting would have led to a stronger secondary... by definition of draft success. It is still unquestionable that said better drafting would have improved the effectiveness of the Patriots' defense in the recent past. It is however more suspect to extrapolate draft success into championships - certainly more suspect than a depth-chart-filler WR making the catch of a lifetime.

Better players tend to produce better team success, there's only so much scheming you can do to mask deficiencies in talent.

Having better talent is a lot more likely to influence the outcome of a game than counting on a freak event.

 

[50-yard-line]

Better players tend to produce better team success, there's only so much scheming you can do to mask deficiencies in talent.

Having better talent is a lot more likely to influence the outcome of a game than counting on a freak event.

I agree. Ergo, the Patriots' record over the last 11 years speaks well of their ability to evaluate talent.

 

[JackBauer]

The excuse makers come out of the woodwork at any mention of BB's sorry drafting of DBs. Its a big line of BS to say that there werent better players still on the draft board after NE made their selections.

The bottom line is that NE not only has the hardest position in the NFL to fill solidified they also have a HOF QB. Brady has hidden the ugly warts of these past failed drafts. BB the GM has let BB the HC down.

2011
# 33 Ras IR Dowling
#154 Richard Sherman OUCH! Seattle has found 2 young starting CBs and it didnt take 9 drafts.

2009
# 34 Pat Chung
# 41 Darius Bustler
# 88 Ladarius Webb

2008
# 62 Terrence Wheatley
# 143 Branson Carr OUCH!
# 129 Jon Wilhype
# 229 Cary Williams - Just started in the Super Bowl

2007
# 24 Brandon Meriweather
# 37 Eric Weddle
# 126 Dashon Goldson OUCH!

Oh FFS, almost everyone knows BB has had a poor ROR on recent DB picks but this "analysis" is lazy and sophomoric, and that's putting it kindly.

 

[MassPats38]

The excuse makers come out of the woodwork at any mention of BB's sorry drafting of DBs. Its a big line of BS to say that there werent better players still on the draft board after NE made their selections.

The bottom line is that NE not only has the hardest position in the NFL to fill solidified they also have a HOF QB. Brady has hidden the ugly warts of these past failed drafts. BB the GM has let BB the HC down.

2011
# 33 Ras IR Dowling
#154 Richard Sherman OUCH! Seattle has found 2 young starting CBs and it didnt take 9 drafts.

2009
# 34 Pat Chung
# 41 Darius Bustler
# 88 Ladarius Webb

2008
# 62 Terrence Wheatley
# 143 Branson Carr OUCH!
# 129 Jon Wilhype
# 229 Cary Williams - Just started in the Super Bowl

2007
# 24 Brandon Meriweather
# 37 Eric Weddle
# 126 Dashon Goldson OUCH!

I am not going to defend the draft on DBs, but your argument is simply weak. If the draft number is greater than 32, it means every team in the NFL failed to see what you now see as obvious (do you actually believe Sherman would last that long if the teams had knowledge of his NFL performance prior to the draft?). It means simply nobody, of all the people with institutional knowledge in the NFL, saw what you view in hindsight as obvious. As such, if BB lucked upon those choices, you would view him as adept at picking talent.

Your examples are not of "great judges of talent," but rather longshots that happened to pay off. If they were such great judges, then you would not see high numbers next to the names as they would have been picked far earlier out of fear of losing the player to another team. By your logic, BB is a QB genius because he selected Brady in the 6th round. The fact he won the lottery ticket, as did the teams in your illustrations above, does not mean he was stupid for missing that pick.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I agree. Ergo, the Patriots' record over the last 11 years speaks well of their ability to evaluate talent.

The article in question was specifically referring to BB's ability to draft DBs, not talent in general, which is also skewed by TFB, which was a pretty big stroke of luck for them.

 

[supafly]

NO

The Pats played Jax late last season and Mcourty was moved back to CB for the day. Some JAG QB had a career day vs the Pats secondary.

I have yet to see this Elite Safety play. Perhaps we will see some week 4 when the Pats face a post season offense.

He may not be "elite" at either position, but his ability to play both places above average will definitely be enough to give him a nice second deal here. He's definitely someone who I'd want to build around, not replace.

 

[50-yard-line]

The article in question was specifically referring to BB's ability to draft DBs, not talent in general, which is also skewed by TFB, which was a pretty big stroke of luck for them.

Oh, of course, i forgot. it's all Brady. This team is a mediocre nothing all those years without him...

 

[50-yard-line]

2011
# 33 Ras IR Dowling
#154 Richard Sherman OUCH! Seattle has found 2 young starting CBs and it didnt take 9 drafts.

2009
# 34 Pat Chung
# 41 Darius Bustler
# 88 Ladarius Webb

2008
# 62 Terrence Wheatley
# 143 Branson Carr OUCH!
# 129 Jon Wilhype
# 229 Cary Williams - Just started in the Super Bowl

2007
# 24 Brandon Meriweather
# 37 Eric Weddle
# 126 Dashon Goldson OUCH!

I want to see Sherman play without the drugs...and on a team without a monster pass rush.

I'd like to see Webb play without that monster Ravens rush, too, but I really like the guy, unlike the loudmouth Sherman. Having said that, he tore his ACL in 2009, had a mediocre 2010, a great year in 2011, and got a second ACL tear last year.

Not sure how much he's got left - time will tell. He's also sitting on a $50 million contract, which is part of the reason the Ravens had to blow up their team.

Cary Williams has shown what, exactly? He "started" in the Superbowl, right in front of James Ireallydon'twanttospellhisnamebo.

And I'm curious to see Goldson out of that 49'er defense. The front seven on that team make it a lot easier to play DB than Pats teams in recent years, that's for sure.

But the only point you're making here, as was pointed out by MassPats is that these gems were passed over repeatedly, and happened to pan out. hopefully we'll be saying the same about Dennard, right?

 

[Fencer]

Yeah

Your opinion on Meriweather absolutely proves just how bad your opinion is on this matter.

Meriweather was a pro bowler. He was selected. Just because that fact makes your opinion look clownish doesn't alter the fact that it happened.

Outside of the fact some clown thinks it's undeserved, there is no reason to assume it's underserved. Of course, if you ignore all the good and only consider the bad........it's underserved.

Standard procedure when reality doesn't jive with your "thinking".

Meriweather was cut soon after making his Pro Bowls and never was even a good starter again.

 

[Gumby]

Seems like a good place to put this.

1. Patriots 27.33
2. Steelers 24.17
3. Colts 24.08
5. Ravens 22.08
8. Broncos 19.25
12. Jets 18.17
22. Dolphins 13.58
30. Bills 10.25
32. Lions 7.58

That is the average draft slot since 2002 for a select group of teams, ignoring draft movements and just focusing on original positioning.

I don't expect anyone to be surprised that NE is #1, but by more than 3 spots? ......

Nice point. Remember too the missing #1 pick. I believe those #s are just averaging the 'rank ordering' at the end of each season and not averaging the average position of every pick in every round every year (that would be onerous). So losing the #1 for Go-to-hell Gate had a domino effect on pick usage that also affected the CB picks.


ALSO ( as someone else mentioned ),
BB always throws a bunch of FAs and a bunch of draft picks at a problem area--- so critiquing him for a low hit % is silly -- "THAT IS THE STRATEGY STUPID." is the correct response.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Oh, of course, i forgot. it's all Brady. This team is a mediocre nothing all those years without him...

Nice try. If you don't think TFB has been a HUGE part of their success you probably shouldn't go outside without a helmet.

 

[SONS_OF_BELICHICK]

"Adam Schein: Bill Belichick, New England Patriots. Nobody shuts up the haters quite like Belichick."

Just love this line

 

[50-yard-line]

Nice try. If you don't think TFB has been a HUGE part of their success you probably shouldn't go outside without a helmet.

Nice try. Is that what I said? Maybe you shouldn't go on the internet without a translator.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

What's your point? With better DBs how many opposing scoring drives would have stalled?

How many extra turnovers would we have gotten?

How many of the plays you mentioned been rendered moot because of stronger Pats DBs?

Do you know the answer?

Of course you don't. So stating complete nonsense is completely stupid. Yet you insist on it.......Why?

Mediots everywhere say SF has an "elite" defense.

What exactly has that amounted to the last two years?

What advantage did this "elite" defense provide?

The reality is......the author should watch the last Super Bowl and see a team crushed by really bad defense. Baltimore lucked out by playing a bunch of Keystone Cops last February.

If BB is going to be blamed for drafting that has "crushed" this team...it's would be an inability to have a third stud TE on the roster.

Running a two TE offense in a hurry up manner really does require 3 starter quality TE's.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

For those using the "don't shoot the messenger" argument, you're throwing your hat in with them? The "media"? Making a "media person" beyond question simply because they make a point somewhere in print that is arguable/you agree with??
What's the old saying? 'You won't wake up next to a prostitute if you don't go to bed with a prostitute'. Well guess what, when you wake up don't open your eyes.
BB is a frequent target of some media simply because they don't like him. A Patriot fan should know this. A Patriot fan should know that any 'media' person that prints a standalone sentence of 'BB has killed the Patriots' in huge font should be looked at with a skeptical eye (versus making them untouchable because they are "only" a "messenger").
I'll tell you what, every talk radio blowhard or media hack is now only a "messenger" whenever they provide an arguably true point wrapped in a lot of self serving, sensationalized blowhard nonsense.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Nice try. Is that what I said? Maybe you shouldn't go on the internet without a translator.

You said this "Oh, of course, i forgot. it's all Brady. This team is a mediocre nothing all those years without him...".

The Pats would not have had the success they've had without Brady, deal with it.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Do you know the answer?

Of course you don't. So stating complete nonsense is completely stupid. Yet you insist on it.......Why?

Mediots everywhere say SF has an "elite" defense.

What exactly has that amounted to the last two years?

What advantage did this "elite" defense provide?

The reality is......the author should watch the last Super Bowl and see a team crushed by really bad defense. Baltimore lucked out by playing a bunch of Keystone Cops last February.

If BB is going to be blamed for drafting that has "crushed" this team...it's would be an inability to have a third stud TE on the roster.

Running a two TE offense in a hurry up manner really does require 3 starter quality TE's.

A team is comprised of players, when you increase the talent of your players you're increasing the talent on your team.

This isn't exactly rocket science if you're willing to concede that BB isn't divine.

 

[Keyser Söze]

So a twenty year old kid trying to make a name is complaining about BB. He's a football expert..

5 SuperBowls and 3 more AFCC losses wasn't enough...I must be morbid.

so annoying when fans run to that. BB has screwed up plenty of draft picks and deserves flack for them.

 

[JackBauer]

Nice try. If you don't think TFB has been a HUGE part of their success you probably shouldn't go outside without a helmet.

Heh. Says the one whining about manners.