Has Tim Tebow earned a roster spot on the Patriots?

[Demosthenes]

I think you’re being blinded by the rock hard abs on Tebow in your signature, because comparing Tom Brady as 6th round selection playing in 1 game and throwing 3 passes as rookie to Tim Tebow at this juncture in his career is the most absurd thing I have ever read a fan write in a football forum. Tebow is entering his 4th season, has played in 35 games and thrown the football 361 times to go along with 197 rushing attempts during his time in the NFL.

You can be the biggest fan in the world of Tebow and that is fine but come on, don’t throw nonsense up against the wall and hope it sticks, Brady is considered by most to be the best draft selection ever, Tebow as he currently stands would be considered to be in the top 20 of all time draft busts. In Brady’s first 3 years in the NFL he had 4188 more passing yards, 29 more touchdowns, with a 17% higher completion percentage, oh yeah he also won a Super Bowl championship during that period.

Psssst, he's a TROLL my friend. No need to waste your time/effort in feeding him.

 

[detpatsfan]

I think you’re being blinded by the rock hard abs on Tebow in your signature, because comparing Tom Brady as 6th round selection playing in 1 game and throwing 3 passes as rookie to Tim Tebow at this juncture in his career is the most absurd thing I have ever read a fan write in a football forum. Tebow is entering his 4th season, has played in 35 games and thrown the football 361 times to go along with 197 rushing attempts during his time in the NFL.

You can be the biggest fan in the world of Tebow and that is fine but come on, don’t throw nonsense up against the wall and hope it sticks, Brady is considered by most to be the best draft selection ever, Tebow as he currently stands would be considered to be in the top 20 of all time draft busts. In Brady’s first 3 years in the NFL he had 4188 more passing yards, 29 more touchdowns, with a 17% higher completion percentage, oh yeah he also won a Super Bowl championship during that period.

My support of Tebow is not nonsense. What's nonsense is people acting like the New England Patriots are doomed if they keep a qb who has proven he can win in the NFL on their roster.

 

[PatriotReign]

Considering practices are now closed, we have no idea whether Tebow is practising it or not. But considering that Tebow has been practising acting as the Punt protector as an option QB, taking part in fumble drills and has made a career out of his ability as a short yardage and goalline runner, I don't think it's at all premature to suggest that type of role for Tebow personally.

He has to make the team first and I certainly hope he doesn't. The limited talent and lack of depth on second string defense is too concerning to keep a spot on the 53 for him. Also if he stays than there's no reason to keep Blount or James Develin for short yardage situations.

 

[detpatsfan]

Psssst, he's a TROLL my friend. No need to waste your time/effort in feeding him.

What are you even talking about? If anything you're the troll who pretends to like Tebow. Leave us Christians alone.

 

[Demosthenes]

Unfortunately no I did not... I will have to check it out when it comes on again.

Bottom line is, if a guy who may be the greatest of all time says such a thing then I am paying attention to it. Granted...that statement may have been said tongue in cheek with the intent to boost Sanchez instead of slamming Tebow...

If you have 8 or so minutes to spare, here's the part with Steve Young.

A Football Life: Tebow the quarterback - NFLRUSH

 

[situational_awareness]

Like for example: Tebow fans say that "Tebow beat the Steelers".... the absurd notion that a QB wins games aside... Sanchez's team won 4 road playoff games, including wins in Manning and Brady's home fields. Edge Sanchez.

Unless Sanchez won those games in 1 year, it's not apples to apples. You can only count the ones from his first year starting if you are trying to be fair. Blaine Gabbert has more starts than RGIII. Edge Gabbert?

There are plenty of stats you can use to make your point about this person or that person being better than Tebow... yes even Sanchez. But that isn't the way to do it.

 

[manxman2601]

He has to make the team first and I certainly hope he doesn't. The limited talent and lack of depth on second string defense is too concerning to keep a spot on the 53 for him. Also if he stays than there's no reason to keep Blount or James Develin for short yardage situations.

Exactly - so you don't lose your defensive depth. If you look at 2011 stats which of course is Tebow's one full year, he was more productive than Blount in short yardage situations, both in short yardage TDs and gaining 1st downs.

Anyway, Tebow providing short yardage value is my 'thing' so I can bore you to death on it. I won't though you'll be glad to know.

 

[JackBauer]

What are you even talking about? If anything you're the troll who pretends to like Tebow. Leave us Christians alone.

I love how you ask him what he's talking about at the precise moment you prove his point for him.

 

[sb1]

Montana and Elway hate Tebow because he does not fit the whole stereotype of a drop-back quarterback that they think you have to be to be succesful in the NFL. The fact remains Tebow did beat the Steelers. Sanchez won playoff games because Mangini's defense played extremely well and the Jets had a very good running game.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Montana or Elway "hated" Tebow... and no that is not a fact because Tebow did not beat the Steelers. His team did. QB's don't win games, teams do.

"Mangini's defense"

Mangini was not a Jet in the Sanchez era...although I suspect you already know that.

 

[sb1]

Unless Sanchez won those games in 1 year, it's not apples to apples. You can only count the ones from his first year starting if you are trying to be fair. Blaine Gabbert has more starts than RGIII. Edge Gabbert?

There are plenty of stats you can use to make your point about this person or that person being better than Tebow... yes even Sanchez. But that isn't the way to do it.

As a starter, your team winning 4 playoff games on the road is more impressive to me than your team winning 1 home playoff game and then getting clown stomped the following week on the road.

Say what you want about Sanchez, but being the QB for 4 playoff wins on the road is impressive....

 

[Brock Samson]

What are you even talking about? If anything you're the troll who pretends to like Tebow. Leave us Christians alone.

The bait is on the hook, let's see if the fisherman gets any nibbles.

 

[sb1]

If you have 8 or so minutes to spare, here's the part with Steve Young.

A Football Life: Tebow the quarterback - NFLRUSH

Thanks Demo, I will check it out.

 

[detpatsfan]

As a starter, your team winning 4 playoff games on the road is more impressive to me than your team winning 1 home playoff game and then getting clown stomped the following week on the road.

Say what you want about Sanchez, but being the QB for 4 playoff wins on the road is impressive....

Sanchez had a great running game and an excellent defense assembled by Mangini. Tebow had a team that was 1-4.

 

[SB39]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Appeal to Authority reasoning is only fallacious if the so called "Authority" is not really a legitimate authority on the subject matter.

I would say Montana is.

And like I said Montana certainly would have more credibility on the subject than Joe Average Fan would.

It is also fallacious when those in authority have no consensus amongst themselves and there is certainly no consensus of opinions among anyone relating to Tebow.

Furthermore, your logic is fallacious because it implies that we must automatically defer our opinions to any "expert" who disagrees. I'd say Rex Ryan knows way more about football than Joe Average Fan does, wouldn't you? I bet he knows way more about football than any of us in here do. So I guess that means we can't criticize him or disagree because he is an expert, huh?

 

[PatriotReign]

Exactly - so you don't lose your defensive depth. If you look at 2011 stats which of course is Tebow's one full year, he was more productive than Blount in short yardage situations, both in short yardage TDs and gaining 1st downs.

Anyway, Tebow providing short yardage value is my 'thing' so I can bore you to death on it. I won't though you'll be glad to know.

I don't mind please share what you know I'm always eager to gain more football knowledge.

The problem then is you're left short on HB's and Tebow can't and won't be willing to make it a full time transition. I wasn't sure on Blount coming into training camp, but he impressed me during the first two preseason contests. And while he struggled mightily in the Lion's game, no one looked great that night.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Here's the thing though Ivan. Most of us Tebow supporters HAVE said that he stunk it up in the preseason games and that IF those games were the only things Bill was looking at, then yes, Tebow should be cut.


What it basically boils down to is that you and others appear to take a rather black and white approach. "He didn't look good in preseason games, he needs to be cut."

Some of us take a more measured approach and we think that Bill and Josh do as well.

At the end of the day, here's the one thing your side of the argument can't reconcile. You all saw what Tebow did in 2011 and to you all, it's proof that he's a terrible QB, or not even a QB at all.

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I have watched tebow both at florida and in the NFL, and while he was an exceptional QB at Florida he has proven repeatedly that he simply is not an NFL quality QB. Despite that I waited until we got the camp reports and watched his performances in the pre-season games before calling for his release. And as you probably know when the thread about releasing was start my initial take was to wait for final cuts and then make the decision. Then came the 2nd pre-season game, and what I saw in that game, combined with the reports i had heard from camp and the first game led me to the conclusion that this project was a complete and total waste of time. I have never seen any QB in the NFL throw that badly, and the truth is that I don't know if i have seen any QB at any level throw that badly. he was missing his target by twenty and thirty feet, it was without a doubt the worst I have ever seen QB perform, and that is really saying something. He made Rohan Davey look like Peyton Manning, that too is saying something. At that point the debate was over and I honestly cannot see how anyone could have seen anything from Tebow to suggest otherwise, and the clamor from some here to see him make the team despite playing as poorly as anyone possibly could was to me ridiculous, and pretty much flies in the face of the entire concept of making a team based upon performance.

So yes, it is entirely black and white to me because his performance was simply not NFL caliber and given that he does not deserve to make the team, and i would say the same given the same circumstances for any player. When you consistently play that bad you should not be on an NFL roster.

 

[Brady6]

Considering practices are now closed, we have no idea whether Tebow is practising it or not. But considering that Tebow has been practising acting as the Punt protector as an option QB, taking part in fumble drills and has made a career out of his ability as a short yardage and goalline runner, I don't think it's at all premature to suggest that type of role for Tebow personally.

That belief that Tebow went through all of training camp and all 3 of the preseason games played and we have this hidden game plan that he is running behind closed doors that nobody has seen and we do not want to tip are hand on makes zero sense to me. First off how good or sustainable would it be if using it in a training camp or preseason game could be so detrimental to it, secondly if Tebow cannot grasp our normal offense why in the world would anyone expect that he can be productive with this top secret never practiced against live competition offense that people speculate of, repetition is what prompts improvement, especially repetition against competition, to believe that Tebow can do something without having the chance to repetitively do it against competition insinuates that Tebow can do something so great it does not need improvement, not needing improvement would be the opposite of Tebow if you looked it up in a dictionary. The third thing is we don’t run trick plays, Belichick is a strategist and strategists rely on long term and sustainable methods, he as some strategists my employee the occasional trick play simply to keep his opponents off balance however nothing to constitute keeping a specific player simply for the sake of running it.

 

[detpatsfan]

You mean the thread where all the Tebow fans want him on the team but are incapable of telling us what he has done to deserve it?

I thought so. Now you can tell us all what he has done to deserve it.




I do however understand why you guys are so upset about this thread, actually asking Tebow fans to tell us what he has done to be on this team is an impossible task for them.

No it's not and we've already done it.

1. He has won a starting qb in the NFL even winning a playoff game.

2. He can be used in the wildcat.

3. He can be used at Tight End and Fullback.

 

[sb1]

It is also fallacious when those in authority have no consensus amongst themselves and there is certainly no consensus of opinions among anyone relating to Tebow.

Furthermore, your logic is fallacious because it implies that we must automatically defer our opinions to any "expert" who disagrees. I'd say Rex Ryan knows way more about football than Joe Average Fan does, wouldn't you? I bet he knows way more about football than any of us in here do. So I guess that means we can't criticize him or disagree because he is an expert, huh?

Well, sure we can criticize or disagree, but dismissing his take on a football subject without regard for his "authority", or making a statement of fact giving us "authority" over an expert that we don't have... that has no merit either.

I don't pay attention if Joe Fan says Sanchez is better than Tebow. If arguably the GOAT says it, then I am. His "authority" makes it likely he's got a good reason to say such a thing, assuming he's not just speaking tongue in cheek.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Exactly - so you don't lose your defensive depth. If you look at 2011 stats which of course is Tebow's one full year, he was more productive than Blount in short yardage situations, both in short yardage TDs and gaining 1st downs.

Anyway, Tebow providing short yardage value is my 'thing' so I can bore you to death on it. I won't though you'll be glad to know.

How can a guy who fumbles more than any other player in the league per carry be counted on to be the short yardage and goal line back, especially when they have never played the position?