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Oddly, this Denard fiasco can turn out to be a good thing. It's open season on all Patriot Players right now. If the latest tweets are true, it could stop the witch-hunt and undermine the 'assume the worst' mentality about the Pats. God, maybe we can start talking a little bit about football.


Unfortunately i think this is more a matter of Patriot fans grasping for some good news. Dennard still has an uphill battle in any contest of credibility with the Lincoln police and if they claim he wasn't blowing hard enough and refused to do so I would guess a judge would side with them and go along with their claim he refused the breathalyzer. I am not aware of any limitations on how many times the police can demand that a person being tested continue to blow into the breathalyzer and short of that they will consider his refusal to continue to blow into the device a refusal. I hope I'm wrong and they throw it out but i really doubt it and believe that the judge will consider this a violation of his probation regardless of Dennard's claims.
 
Michael Felger (talked all day yesterday that Dennard has a serious alcohol problem and should be cut)

Ya but the thing with Felger is he'll come on today and say that he doesn't believe this for a second because Dennard is probably being told what to say by his attorney and the fact that he was still in the position to get himself pulled over in the place he was arrested for hitting a cop shows he has bad judgement and needs to be cut.
 
Cut him. Crucify him. Castrate him. Patriot way. Patriot brand. :rolleyes:

He's a 20-something dummy who is a pretty good CB. I want him at RCB this year.
 
Unfortunately i think this is more a matter of Patriot fans grasping for some good news. Dennard still has an uphill battle in any contest of credibility with the Lincoln police and if they claim he wasn't blowing hard enough and refused to do so I would guess a judge would side with them and go along with their claim
That's how it was before dash cams - in a he said-she said, the courts went with the cops' version. Now cops back up what they say with dash cams. Makes for a more solid case but it is a two-edged sword: it becomes suspicious if they don't have video and audio on it, especially for a field sobriety test.

So it boils down to is there dash cam footage, and it so, what's on it.
 
So how come the cops didn't put in the report that he failed the field sobriety test? You'd think they would if he did.
 
So how come the cops didn't put in the report that he failed the field sobriety test? You'd think they would if he did.

Because he didn't fail it. Just like he didn't fail the breathalyzer though he took it twice. So the officer cited him for "Failure to Comply" because Dennard supposedly didn't blow into it hard enough.

What is interesting further is that they didn't get a blood test from Dennard where he was booked..
 
IDK, half the people here and in the media wanted the Pats to cut him immediately and then investigate whether he was actually guilty. Most of the people who wanted him gone wanted the Pats to cut him yesterday.

I doubt that. As far as I could tell, there was always an implied "if this is legit" qualifier. Only the people who said, "a DUI is no big deal" had the same position no matter the outcome, one that I still disagree with, FWIW. But if it turns out to be the workings of an overexuberant cop, I'll welcome Fonz back with open arms.
 
Because he didn't fail it. Just like he didn't fail the breathalyzer though he took it twice. So the officer cited him for "Failure to Comply" because Dennard supposedly didn't blow into it hard enough.

What is interesting further is that they didn't get a blood test from Dennard where he was booked..

So you know how to work the intox5000? When there is not enough air going through the machine it will show lack of flow. You can't fool the machine, it knows when you are trying to trick it.

Once your deemed a refusal your a refusal there is no chance for blood. Also blood is usually requested when drugs or elevated levels of prescriptions meds are onboard.
 
So you know how to work the intox5000? When there is not enough air going through the machine it will show lack of flow. You can't fool the machine, it knows when you are trying to trick it.

Once your deemed a refusal your a refusal there is no chance for blood. Also blood is usually requested when drugs or elevated levels of prescriptions meds are onboard.

I have zero experience here but could you ask for a blood test instead? I would be very reluctant to trust a breathalyzer.
 
I have zero experience here but could you ask for a blood test instead? I would be very reluctant to trust a breathalyzer.

Same here. I had a police friend who had a breathalyzer, and so another friend and I both took it. We had been matching drink for drink, and blew the same BAC... problem is, he's 200 pounds heavier than me (not an exaggeration). Not saying everywhere uses the same type, or maybe we weren't doing it right, but it was drastic enough that I wouldn't bet my life, license, and freedom on its results.
 
I have zero experience here but could you ask for a blood test instead? I would be very reluctant to trust a breathalyzer.

It is not up to the person arrested it is up to the officer what test is done if you agree. I also think your defense attorney would much rather you submit to breath then blood.

For example if a person over did it with their prescription meds or they smoked weed, It is going to show in the blood work. Now you have to fight two substances instead of one. With breath you just have one battle on your hand instead of possibly two.

Where blood is taken without consent is a felony level DWI or a MV accident were serious PI then you get a search warrant for blood results. Most states have a law that you can subpoena the hospitals blood work.

It is also obvious when someone is not trying to blow into the machine.
 
From AWTE over on Patriots Planet, who is a police officer by trade.

Here is an example of a man speaking with authority on a subject he knows nothing about.

Persons taking BT Tests do not blow to meet an officer's qualifications. They blow to meet the machine's standards for an acceptable sample for testing.

The officers tell you to blow as long as the machine beeps. The machine beeps until it has a sufficient sample for testing. If you haven't provided a sufficient sample in the time allotted, the machine stops the test and issues a notice of insufficient sample then cleans itself and asks again for a breath sample. After your second insufficient sample, the machine issues you a notice of refusal.

You are not given the choice of taking a BT Test or a blood test. You are offered a BT Test and if you refuse or fail to provide a sufficient sample you are issued a refusal. You do not then get to have a blood test. Blood tests are offered to suspects who are at the hospital and are not in position to take a BT Test. This isn't a matter of officer discretion. It is a matter of law. After the machine issued an insufficient sample notice, Dennard would not have been offered a blood test. By law he would have been issued a refusal.

Reading between the lines, Dennard effed with the machine by failing to provide a sufficient sample for testing (which Grandma Moses the COPD victim can easily do). No BAC reading was produced, either one showing him to be over or under the legal limit. Only a reading of insufficient sample would be produced. The administering officers have nothing to do with it. The machine runs the test and produces the result.

The only way a BAC reading would accompany an insufficient sample reading would be if Dennard did provide at least one sufficient sample then failed to provide another invalidating the test leading to a refusal.

When a person takes a BT test, they blow into the machine, the machine tests the sample, cleans itself then tests itself for accuracy against a calibrated sample, then cleans itself again, then the person provides a second sample for testing. If the accuracy test is off, the test is invalidated. If the two provided samples are too far off from each other, the test is invalidated.

Rappaport refers to a police report where it says a field sobriety test was administered but no results were indicated. His source says that the test was not indicative of someone under the influence. I also saw where a reporter said that "only one FST was administered".

A NHTSA "Field Sobriety Test" consists of three standardized parts. If you agree to take the test it is one test made up of three parts. The Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus test (HGN), the One-Legged Stand, and the Nine-Step Walk and Turn. If all three parts of the test are not administered there is a reason that must be documented. The most common reasons are that the subject refused, the subject was too drunk and asking him to take the tests was too dangerous, or the location was not suitable for the testing. Some officers do stray from the standard without good reason and if that happened in this case the officer would have to explain why to the jury's satisfaction at trial.

Interpreting FSTs are best left to training professionals. Random sources don't cut it. These tests are designed as divided attention tests which when properly administered detects impairment at low BAC levels of .06 to .08. You don't have to be falling down to fail these tests. A skilled tester can and will detect impairment at a much lower threshold. Almost everyone will fail the HGN when they are at a .08 to 10 BAC. There's no way to fake it. If the officer involved is not skilled and administered the test poorly that is again an issue for the jury.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/a...appendix_a.htm

I'd like to see the report Rapp mentioned. Is it really the report? Is it a probable cause summery and not the actually involved officer's detailed narrative? Who is his source and is he an expert in the area of standardized field sobriety testing?

It's nice that Rappaport is carrying the water for Dennard here (I appreciate his efforts because I don't want to see the kid go anywhere) but the guy has no idea what he is talking about. Most street lawyers are more savvy.

It's possible the cop involved had a hard-on for Dennard and it colored his investigation and his decision making process but I'd like to see the real incident report before concluding that Dennard was railroaded.

I'd encourage everyone to check out this thread for his contributions starting around post #300.
 
From AWTE over on Patriots Planet, who is a police officer by trade.



I'd encourage everyone to check out this thread for his contributions starting around post #300.

Mostly correct some wrong. Once your deemed a refusal your a refusal. Reason being it takes out the question of "what if the cop messed with the machine to try and get blood from him instead". So when your a refusal or a refusal there is no more testing.

And it is ONE LEG stand not one LEGGED stand.

Another test that I see most of the guys use is Romberg balance test. You have them place their arms away from their body palms up. You have them close their eyes and put their head back and they have to do this for 30 seconds with 6 seconds give or take on each side. Really drunk people are going 48 to 55 seconds. Good test with not a lot of movement.
 
Mostly correct some wrong. Once your deemed a refusal your a refusal. Reason being it takes out the question of "what if the cop messed with the machine to try and get blood from him instead". So when your a refusal or a refusal there is no more testing.

And it is ONE LEG stand not one LEGGED stand.

It's also "you're", not "your", if you want to get technical.
 
Same here. I had a police friend who had a breathalyzer, and so another friend and I both took it. We had been matching drink for drink, and blew the same BAC... problem is, he's 200 pounds heavier than me (not an exaggeration). Not saying everywhere uses the same type, or maybe we weren't doing it right, but it was drastic enough that I wouldn't bet my life, license, and freedom on its results.

Unless you weigh -20 pounds, you need to get your friend on a diet for his own sake.
 
From AWTE over on Patriots Planet, who is a police officer by trade.



I'd encourage everyone to check out this thread for his contributions starting around post #300.

AWTE's posts are always worth reading

(AllWorldTightEnd)
 
Didn't blow hard enough? Did they ask him to wear a wig as well...:drum:
 
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