Dennard arrested for DUI

[Demosthenes]

I guess you have never lost anyone to a drunk driver.Maybe you would take drunk driving a little more serious. Or maybe you were just kicked in the head by a mule and your brain dont work so well anymore.

I'm pretty sure that I'm like most other people in this country in that I've suffered from both sides of the issue. I've had friends killed by drunk drivers. I've had friends die while drunk driving. I've had friends arrested for drunk driving.

Then again, I've also had friends die in "normal" car accidents, I've had friends die in ATV accidents. I've had friends die in other types of accidents.

 

[Kontradiction]

Considering where the Pats are as an org, what just happened, and him being on probation, this is more than just a bonehead mistake. All pats players should be laying low after what just transpired the past two weeks for a good while.

So, in your view, they should cease to be human beings enjoying their offseason and become the equilivent of a hermit crab?

 

[patsfanincleveland]

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why anybody on this forum reads his crap, much less reads it, then links it on the forum where other people can go to read it and give that dunce clicks. He sucks. He's basically a glorified troll that gets paid to do what he does and his website is an absolute joke. Please stop linking him.

The Denver Broncos just had two executives arrested for DUI's.

Executives by being called..........."executives" should actually like know better.

What exactly does it say about the Denver Broncos when there is wholesale DUI's in management?

What does it say about a ****** like Florio when he thinks Dennard is a bigger story than the Denver Broncos having their management team pop DUI after DUI?

 

[Oswlek]

They are responsible to some degree, though not as responsible as someone who hasn't been drinking.

Look, I'm not saying that he shouldn't pay a price or suffer some consequences. What I am saying is that I look at DUI as a completely different class of offense than something like Breaking and Entering, or 1st degree robbery/burglary, or domestic abuse, or even possession of controlled substances.

When looking at crimes and determining a penalty for them, INTENT generally plays a big part. Did you INTEND to hit the guy or was it an accident ? Even if you did INTEND to do it, was there any malice or ill will ?

Or looking specifically at issues involving cars and driving, did you INTEND to run into that other car ? Or was it a case where you were just careless. Even in situations where it was due to being careless, how flagrant or reckless was that carelessness ?

Going back to the question I asked you about whether you had ever looked away from the road while driving down it at 40+ mph, it's one thing if you look away for 2 seconds to grab something off the passenger seat. However, if you were trying to read a book or watch a movie driving down the road, that would go way over the line and rise to the level of reckless disregard.

Fair enough.

FWIW, here is my position. Someone who ingested alcohol is not as in control of their behavior, but they are no less responsible. Of course there are times when you will offer leniency and understanding when someone makes a mistake while blowing off some steam. We've all been there in some form or another.

The problem is that DUI simply isn't something I am willing to do that on. There are almost no instances where it is acceptable. If you know, or even think you will be driving, don't drink. If you want to drink, then set up some kind of advance arrangement. This is really easy stuff and only requires the most basic amount of foresight. Even in the absence of this, call a damn cab.

It isn't like it was years ago when people didn't talk about this stuff, every person who gets behind the wheel has probably been told this several dozen times in their lives. Even more so for an NFL player who hears this repeatedly and has numerous options for rides home.

Driving drunk may not be malicious, but it isn't as simple as saying you didn't intend to do harm anyone. You willingly took a risk that puts people's lives in jeopardy. The fact that you did this with diminished mental capacity doesn't reduce your responsibility.

 

[Tunescribe]

So, in your view, they should cease to be human beings enjoying their offseason and become the equilivent of a hermit crab?

I would suggest that drinking publicly should be taken off their list of recreational pursuits.

 

[Oswlek]

In all these situations, people are engaging in distracted driving which studies have shown to be just as dangerous as driving with a Blood Alcohol level in the neighborhood of .08.

I knew where you were going with this, but I still think it is tangental and not directly on topic. The thing about most of these distractions, though, is that they are typically brief, whereas DUI is constantly inhibiting your driving the entire time you are behind the wheel.

FWIW, I fully back enacting laws making it illegal to drive while on the cell phone (talking or texting).

 

[Oswlek]

I would suggest that drinking publicly should be taken off their list of recreational pursuits.

I wouldn't even go that far. Drink all you want, public, private, I don't care. JUST DON'T DRIVE!

 

[Oswlek]

The Denver Broncos just had two executives arrested for DUI's.

Executives by being called..........."executives" should actually like know better.

What exactly does it say about the Denver Broncos when there is wholesale DUI's in management?

What does it say about a ****** like Florio when he thinks Dennard is a bigger story than the Denver Broncos having their management team pop DUI after DUI?

THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN!!!!!! :bricks:

 

[Kontradiction]

I would suggest that drinking publicly should be taken off their list of recreational pursuits.

Why? Because our dumb ass ex-TE may have murdered some people? Drinking and enjoying their lives in the offseason shouldn't be taken off the list. Making bad decisions after that (like getting in a car and driving in a state where you were just on trial for assaulting a cop) SHOULD be taken off the list.

 

[Brady6]

This makes no sense to me at all. If I did what Dennard (allegedly) did I would fully expect to be released.

I wouldn't, there is no precedent for that.

 

[jmt57]

FWIW

"League can fine players two games checks up to a maximum of $50,000 for first DUI, provided it's not aggravated."

 

[Demosthenes]

Fair enough.

FWIW, here is my position. Someone who ingested alcohol is not as in control of their behavior, but they are no less responsible. Of course there are times when you will offer leniency and understanding when someone makes a mistake while blowing off some steam. We've all been there in some form or another.

The problem is that DUI simply isn't something I am willing to do that on. There are almost no instances where it is acceptable. If you know, or even think you will be driving, don't drink. If you want to drink, then set up some kind of advance arrangement. This is really easy stuff and only requires the most basic amount of foresight. Even in the absence of this, call a damn cab.

It isn't like it was years ago when people didn't talk about this stuff, every person who gets behind the wheel has probably been told this several dozen times in their lives. Even more so for an NFL player who hears this repeatedly and has numerous options for rides home.

Driving drunk may not be malicious, but it isn't as simple as saying you didn't intend to do harm anyone. You willingly took a risk that puts people's lives in jeopardy. The fact that you did this with diminished mental capacity doesn't reduce your responsibility.

I respect your postion/view on it, but disagree in some regards. Person goes out and has 2 beers while waiting a 1/2 for a dinner table. That person then has 2 glasses of wine while eating dinner over the course on another 1 1/2 hours.

That's 4 drinks in 2 hours. Would it be drunk driving for them to drive home right then ? Does it depend on other factors such as what they had eaten previously in the day ? Or a person's metabolism? Or their weight? Or the level of body fat?

At this point, unless a person has made the decision to never drive after having anything to drink, then they have to use their judgment to determine whether or not they can drive safely (and legally). As noted previously, consumption of alcohol impairs your judgment.

 

[Demosthenes]

I knew where you were going with this, but I still think it is tangental and not directly on topic. The thing about most of these distractions, though, is that they are typically brief, whereas DUI is constantly inhibiting your driving the entire time you are behind the wheel.

FWIW, I fully back enacting laws making it illegal to drive while on the cell phone (talking or texting).

Where I was going with it wasn't a state secret

Sure, those distractions are typically brief, but they are still distractions that put other people's lives in danger when you are driving down the road.


BTW< you made this comment in the another post but it comes into play here.

Driving drunk may not be malicious, but it isn't as simple as saying you didn't intend to do harm anyone. You willingly took a risk that puts people's lives in jeopardy. The fact that you did this with diminished mental capacity doesn't reduce your responsibility.

I'd argue that they say something worse about the persons who engage in them as their judgment at the time hasn't been impaired by alcohol. They are in full possession of their mental faculties yet they knowingly endanger others.

 

[dales804]

Probably. That doesn't mean that he should make a reactionary move and cut Dennard though. The kid made a boneheaded, idiotic mistake.

I agree he shouldn't make a rash decision based on that alone. But BB has to not like he came out in support of his character then Dennard does this about three months later. It makes BB look bad.

 

[patsfan-1982]

im happy they Drafted Logan Ryan cause im pretty sure Goodell will give him 2 to 4 games for this I do not see him getting cut but I was never putting all my eggs in the dennard basket he was a 7th round pick that played much better then what the pats had yes but given the fact that him and Aqib Talib started half a season and they still end it up 28th vs the pass is not saying much

 

[Kontradiction]

I agree he shouldn't make a rash decision based on that alone. But BB has to not like he came out in support of his character then Dennard does this about three months later. It makes BB look bad.

Do you honestly think BB cares whether or not he looks bad? He's going to make the decision that he feels is best for the team.

 

[dales804]

Do you honestly think BB cares whether or not he looks bad? He's going to make the decision that he feels is best for the team.

I think any human would care if their word took a hit.

 

[jmt57]

pretty sure Goodell will give him 2 to 4 games for this

The league can only fine players two games checks up to a maximum of $50,000 for a first DUI, provided it's not aggravated (which this is not).

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

I don't believe a word of it. It's just media fabrication.

Say hi to Rex for me

 

[Demosthenes]

I think any human would care if their word took a hit.

In this case, the only way for Bill's "word" to take a hit is if you consider a DUI arrest to be a character flaw.