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Longtime Pats' cynic Albert Breer gives props to fellow Pats' antagonist Ron Borges (surprise!): well.

Good column from Ron Borges, who was in the room with Kraft: Borges: How could the Patriots have fumbled so badly? | Boston Herald …​



Although I will give Breer credit for giving Kraft some props:

And good on the Patriots for having Borges in there, knowing he would take a very critical eye into the media session.​



Though not surprisingly, he does feel the need to get one last shot in:

The fact is, some Patriots decision-makers knew, not that anything close to murder was coming, but that AH was hanging with the wrong crowd.​

I would really like to hear how Breer knows that for a fact, as opposed to his simply stating an opinion.



As for Borges column, here is the synopsis so you don't have to click on it:

Borges says that it must have been very difficult for Kraft to say the he felt 'duped'. He then goes on to say that while nobody could foresee murder, that the Pats should have seen warning signs, or they did and chose to ignore them. His evidence is (a) Matt Light's comment about how he “didn’t agree with anything Aaron Hernandez stood for”

“When he was in our building, we never saw anything where he was not polite,” Kraft said. “He was always respectful, always polite, but I only know what goes on inside the building. We don’t put private eyes on people. We set up guidelines.”

Many will doubt those words, asking quite rightly: “How could they not have known something?”

It’s a valid question because, frankly, they should have known something. When someone like Matt Light, Hernandez’s former teammate, says he “didn’t agree with anything Aaron Hernandez stood for,” he shined a bright light of doubt on the idea nobody knew anything.​



(b) another incident that only becomes public after the fact, that AH was in a vehicle with an intoxicated convicted cocaine dealer who was driving 105 MPH on the Southeast Expressway on January 28 (omitting the fact that was well after the contract had been signed);

Now we’re hearing anonymously quoted sources saying Hernandez spent little time with his teammates and was mostly with alleged thugs and convicted dope peddlers from his hometown.

One of them, Alexander Bradley, a convicted cocaine dealer, was stopped Jan. 28 on the Southeast Expressway, with Hernandez in the car, for allegedly driving 105 mph while intoxicated.

A state trooper makes a stop like that with Hernandez allegedly telling him there’s no problem because he’s Aaron Hernandez — and no one tells the Patriots? If true, they not only don’t hire private eyes, they don’t have any eyes ... or, more importantly, ears.

“By and large our organization has done a pretty good job, but if this is true it’s horrible,” Kraft said of the allegations against Hernandez.

That’s like saying, “By and large, Mrs. Lincoln, it was a pretty good play, and sorry about the president.”



(c) the Bruins kept Tyler Seguin in a local hotel in order to keep him out of "local gin joints" during the playoffs, and after (b) above apparently the Pats should have done the same with AH (again, omitting the fact that after Jan 28 the Pats season was over ... I guess they should have done that for the entire off season?); and (d) the Pats had (or should have had) security people with ties to local police so that they would have known about the Jan 28 incident (although he omits what they would have or should have done with that information)

Nearly all professional sports teams employ ex-police officers to keep tabs on multimillion-dollar properties like Aaron Hernandez. Usually they are guys with local ties who get phone calls from friends in law enforcement and learn about the kind of activities Hernandez has been alleged to be involved with in the months leading up to the shooting.

How did the Bruins know enough to lock Tyler Seguin in a local hotel room during the playoffs, as the Herald’s Stephen Harris reported, to keep him out of late-night gin joints, but the Patriots didn’t know about a player in a car going 105 mph with a drunk at the wheel who was a convicted felon?

They didn’t know he was involved in an incident at 2:30 a.m. outside a Providence strip joint where a beef ensued, cops arrived and a gun was found?

This is in no way to imply someone should have known Hernandez was likely to get himself involved in first-degree murder. But they should have known something.

“You can be sure we’ll be looking at all our procedures and auditing how we do things,” Kraft said toward the end of the interview. “I feel bad someone in our organization could potentially be tied to this. If it’s true I’m just shocked.”

If no one in the Patriots’ organization had a clue what Aaron Hernandez was up to the past three years, I’m just as shocked
 
To balance things out a bit, there is also this:

Could NFL teams do more for players like Aaron Hernandez? - Gary Hoenig, espn


We expect football players -- even unformed and troubled 20-something-year-olds -- to be very different from us on Sunday and very much like us the rest of the week. They have a license to bludgeon other people on the field that disappears when they take off their pads. There is no in-between. Most figure out a way to at least fake it. Some stumble along the way. A few do a lot worse than that: Aaron Hernandez, if guilty, is not the first player, even in the past 12 months, to have taken another person's life.

It would be wrong to point fingers at Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft, as some have done. Much as they're easy to resent -- mostly because they're so successful -- they're no different from most -- if not all -- NFL execs. The anonymous GMs who are saying they wouldn't have touched Hernandez with a 10-foot pole are at best disingenuous and at worst hypocrites. Every time they sign a contract with a draftee, they are investing in an aggressive young man who still needs to grow up. The risk may be lower with some and higher with others, but the principal determining factors in those contracts lie not in that equation but in just how good they are at football. Passing on Hernandez in the early rounds was just good risk analysis; he had, after all, scored the lowest possible on a widely circulated behavioral test, according to The Wall Street Journal. But if the Patriots had passed on Hernandez in the fourth round of the 2010 draft, he'd be somebody else's problem to spin now.

Given all that, what can the NFL really do, given the uneasy relationship between players and team medical staff, and a culture that shies away from talk of mental problems?​
 
You're misinterpreting what I wrote. Ahern reportedly was quite close to his dad and turned to drugs/acting out as coping mechanisms when he died.

I think you feel empathy for Hernandez, I think you want to believe he was a good person who took a wrong direction on the pain of his fathers loss. I felt this way initially, but seeing all the other things since. Double homicide, shooting in FL, secret apartments, rental cars all over. Now this letter in my eyes is a sociopath at his best. Scheming and misleading to get exactly what he wanted, manipulating the media, even now he is presenting himself as a model prisoner.

One thing when I look back and reflect on this that strikes me as a true indication of Hernandez being a sociopath is the fact that he has never shown a shred of remorse, and if you make the case that he isn't guilty why would he be remorseful I'd then ask the question wouldn't you be the least bit saddened if your so FRIEND was murdered a mile from your house? Wouldn't you fear for the safety of yourself or your family if someone connected to you was murdered 1 mile from your home?

As I've said and I will post the link again Hernandez is a sociopath.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
 
I think you feel empathy for Hernandez, I think you want to believe he was a good person who took a wrong direction on the pain of his fathers loss. I felt this way initially, but seeing all the other things since. Double homicide, shooting in FL, secret apartments, rental cars all over. Now this letter in my eyes is a sociopath at his best. Scheming and misleading to get exactly what he wanted, manipulating the media, even now he is presenting himself as a model prisoner.

One thing when I look back and reflect on this that strikes me as a true indication of Hernandez being a sociopath is the fact that he has never shown a shred of remorse, and if you make the case that he isn't guilty why would he be remorseful I'd then ask the question wouldn't you be the least bit saddened if your so FRIEND was murdered a mile from your house? Wouldn't you fear for the safety of yourself or your family if someone connected to you was murdered 1 mile from your home?

As I've said and I will post the link again Hernandez is a sociopath.

Profile of the Sociopath

He very well might have sociopathy in his makeup, but that's difficult to diagnose from afar when one neither is a professional psychologist nor has all the details about his life and this case specifically. But it's unsurprising that Hernandez hasn't shown remorse or even sadness, as I'm sure he's under strict orders from his lawyers not to show ANY emotion at this stage.

Unless his lawyers want to argue compromised mental state as a defense strategy, sociopath/no sociopath will be moot when the evidence against him is presented in court. I believe he committed the crime and should be put away for it. We'll never know how he would've turned out had his father lived longer, but from what I've heard and read, I think it was a factor.
 
He very well might have sociopathy in his makeup, but that's difficult to diagnose from afar when one neither is a professional psychologist nor has all the details about his life and this case specifically. But it's unsurprising that Hernandez hasn't shown remorse or even sadness, as I'm sure he's under strict orders from his lawyers not to show ANY emotion at this stage.

Unless his lawyers want to argue compromised mental state as a defense strategy, sociopath/no sociopath will be moot when the evidence against him is presented in court. I believe he committed the crime and should be put away for it. We'll never know how he would've turned out had his father lived longer, but from what I've heard and read, I think it was a factor.

Like I said I lost my father. It changed me certainly but you have to have predisposition to have it change you into a murderer.
 
Was thinking of making a thread about it, but Kraft is perhaps the classiest owner in all of sports. As far as feeling bad for billionaries goes, I feel pretty bad for the guy in this whole fiasco. He's handled it as best as anyone could handle it and has always done nothing but act in a first class manner.

We always talk about being lucky to have Belichick and Brady, but we're equally as lucky to have Kraft.

How do you feel bad for an owner over THIS? I felt slightly bad over idk the whole losing a wife/mother/all other titles held, but this means nothing, he will eat those millions and possibly make good off this publicity (its American way).

The team is going to sell and be popular for decades to come, long after he sells or hands it down to family. This whole report is pointless, just PR actions. I would be shocked if more come out speaking, the way they cut him seems like they were beyond moving on.
 
WOW, not sure if anyone has seen the letter Hernandez wrote to the Patriots before the draft but it is literally stomach turning when you think of the situation he is in today. Here's the full text of the letter:

Full text of letter Aaron Hernandez sent New England Patriots before 2010 NFL Draft - Extra Points - Boston.com


Dear Mr. Caserio,

I am writing in regards to some of the feedback I am receiving from my agents, Florida coaches, and other personnel. These sources have indicated that NFL teams have questions about my alleged use of marijuana. I personally answered these questions during the pre-draft process, but understand that NFL teams want to conduct thorough due diligence before making the significant financial investment inherent in a high draft pick. I have no issue with these questions being asked, but thought that it made the most sense to communicate with you directly regarding this issue so you would not have to rely upon second-hand information.

Any information I volunteer to you about my past will be looked at with great skepticism as I am trying to get drafted as high as possible by an NFL team. As such, I thought that the best way to answer your questions and your concerns was to make a very simple proposition. If you draft me as a member of the New England Patriots, I will willfully submit to a bi-weekly drug test throughout my rookie season (8 drug tests during the 2010 regular season). In addition, I will tie any guaranteed portion of my 2010 compensation to these drug tests and reimburse the team a pro-rata amount for any failed drug test. My agents have explained that a direct forfeiture provision in my contract along these lines would violate the CBA rules. However, I have instructed them to be creative in finding a contract structure that would work on in the worst case scenario, I would donate the pro-rata portion of any guaranteed money to the team's choice of charities. My point is simple -- if I fail a drug test, I do not deserve that portion of the money.

I realize that this offer is somewhat unorthodox, but it is also the only way I could think of to let you know how serious I am about reaching my potential in the NFL. My coaches have told you that nobody on our Florida team worked harder than me in terms of workouts, practices or games. You have your own evaluation as to the type of impact I can have on your offense. The only X-factor, according to the reports I have heard, is concerns about my use of recreational drugs. To address that concern, I am literally putting my money where my mouth is and taking the financial risk away from the team and putting it directly on my back where it belongs.

In closing, I ask you to trust me when I say you have absolutely nothing to worry about when it comes to me and the use of recreational drugs. I have set very high goals for myself in the NFL and am focused 100% on achieving those goals. So, test me all you want during my rookie year ... all of the results will be negative while I am having an overwhelmingly positive impact on the field.

Good luck with your preparations for the NFL Draft and feel free to contact me or my agency (Athletes First/David Dunn) with any questions.

Sincerely,

Aaron Hernandez
University of Florida

Hernandez should've stuck to the weed instead of the tats & guns.
 
I think you feel empathy for Hernandez, I think you want to believe he was a good person who took a wrong direction on the pain of his fathers loss. I felt this way initially, but seeing all the other things since. Double homicide, shooting in FL, secret apartments, rental cars all over. Now this letter in my eyes is a sociopath at his best. Scheming and misleading to get exactly what he wanted, manipulating the media, even now he is presenting himself as a model prisoner.

One thing when I look back and reflect on this that strikes me as a true indication of Hernandez being a sociopath is the fact that he has never shown a shred of remorse, and if you make the case that he isn't guilty why would he be remorseful I'd then ask the question wouldn't you be the least bit saddened if your so FRIEND was murdered a mile from your house? Wouldn't you fear for the safety of yourself or your family if someone connected to you was murdered 1 mile from your home?

As I've said and I will post the link again Hernandez is a sociopath.

Profile of the Sociopath

Nope, murders have happened close to me and many others, its not always as shocking or depressing as a movie scene. You make too much assumptions without even knowing the guy or being in these scenarios. Police suck, if I am not in custody I choose not to talk and most minorities in this country do.

If you had money I bet you would try out different houses and cars, the first thought in my mind is a cheater, maybe a drug dealer, not a sociopath and killer. I don't have my psychology degree yet but this doesn't seem like sound logic.
 
Nope, murders have happened close to me and many others, its not always as shocking or depressing as a movie scene. You make too much assumptions without even knowing the guy or being in these scenarios. Police suck, if I am not in custody I choose not to talk and most minorities in this country do.

If you had money I bet you would try out different houses and cars, the first thought in my mind is a cheater, maybe a drug dealer, not a sociopath and killer. I don't have my psychology degree yet but this doesn't seem like sound logic.

Ill respectfully disagree. If you lost someone close to you and held no responsibility for it you'd be inclined to aid in that.

Guys with $40 mil contracts don't usually need to sell drugs, and don't cheat in $1200 a month dumps. Or at least not in my opinion.
 
Like I said I lost my father. It changed me certainly but you have to have predisposition to have it change you into a murderer.

Friend, you keep missing the point. It's not that losing his father made him a murderer. It's that losing his father caused him to lose his way and choose the wrong path of life. This placed him in a culture/environment where violence, gun-play, criminality and "street cred" consumed him, ultimately leading to this unfortunate result.
 
Just to add my pointless two cents in to this discussion. I will add that although we all are our brothers keeper, you know that is a figurative statement and by no means gives anyone the right to control another persons life. It doesn't matter if Kraft knew and didn't try to stop him. Or if the AH was leading a secret life. NOTHING that has been disclosed would point to a premeditated execution! Nobody is to blame for what has unfolded but the person who did it. Do I feel bad for this murderer? No I don't! He had a chance at an extraordinary life and pissed it away. It was his fault, his and his alone to bear the consequences.
 
Friend, you keep missing the point. It's not that losing his father made him a murderer. It's that losing his father caused him to lose his way and choose the wrong path of life. This placed him in a culture/environment where violence, gun-play, criminality and "street cred" consumed him, ultimately leading to this unfortunate result.

No I get what you're saying buddy, I even wrote something similar to what you've said today another thread last week, link is below.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?p=3482129#post3482129

My opinion has changed after reading this pre-draft letter and seeing some of the other things that have come to light. I no longer see him as kid who went the wrong way and didn't know how to get out. He seems to cold and calculating for that to be true in my opinion.
 
Just to add my pointless two cents in to this discussion. I will add that although we all are our brothers keeper, you know that is a figurative statement and by no means gives anyone the right to control another persons life. It doesn't matter if Kraft knew and didn't try to stop him. Or if the AH was leading a secret life. NOTHING that has been disclosed would point to a premeditated execution! Nobody is to blame for what has unfolded but the person who did it. Do I feel bad for this murderer? No I don't! He had a chance at an extraordinary life and pissed it away. It was his fault, his and his alone to bear the consequences.

It will be interesting to see what his defense is. I sincerely believe he is going to use a head injury as a defense. His lawyers are going to put up expert after expert showing the impact of frontal lobe injuries, how they affect impulse control, and how these football related brain injuries are a result of playing football. If successful in this defense it will not get him a not guilty verdict, it will also shift the focus of civil suits off of him and onto the multi billion dollar business that is the NFL.
 
No I get what you're saying buddy, I even wrote something similar to what you've said today another thread last week, link is below.

Aaron Hernandez Investigated in Two More Murders - Page 39 - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard

My opinion has changed after reading this pre-draft letter and seeing some of the other things that have come to light. I no longer see him as kid who went the wrong way and didn't know how to get out. He seems to cold and calculating for that to be true in my opinion.

Why would the pre-draft letter affect your opinion? If getting drafted a round or two later might mean a couple hundred grand a year of lost income, you'd write a letter, too. And you'd damn well have someone a little sharper than you review it, if not draft it entirely.

That isn't "cold and calculating" it is just smart business.
 
Longtime Pats' cynic Albert Breer gives props to fellow Pats' antagonist Ron Borges (surprise!): well.

Good column from Ron Borges, who was in the room with Kraft: Borges: How could the Patriots have fumbled so badly? | Boston Herald …​



Although I will give Breer credit for giving Kraft some props:

And good on the Patriots for having Borges in there, knowing he would take a very critical eye into the media session.​



Though not surprisingly, he does feel the need to get one last shot in:

The fact is, some Patriots decision-makers knew, not that anything close to murder was coming, but that AH was hanging with the wrong crowd.​

I would really like to hear how Breer knows that for a fact, as opposed to his simply stating an opinion.



As for Borges column, here is the synopsis so you don't have to click on it:

Borges says that it must have been very difficult for Kraft to say the he felt 'duped'. He then goes on to say that while nobody could foresee murder, that the Pats should have seen warning signs, or they did and chose to ignore them. His evidence is (a) Matt Light's comment about how he “didn’t agree with anything Aaron Hernandez stood for”

“When he was in our building, we never saw anything where he was not polite,” Kraft said. “He was always respectful, always polite, but I only know what goes on inside the building. We don’t put private eyes on people. We set up guidelines.”

Many will doubt those words, asking quite rightly: “How could they not have known something?”

It’s a valid question because, frankly, they should have known something. When someone like Matt Light, Hernandez’s former teammate, says he “didn’t agree with anything Aaron Hernandez stood for,” he shined a bright light of doubt on the idea nobody knew anything.​



(b) another incident that only becomes public after the fact, that AH was in a vehicle with an intoxicated convicted cocaine dealer who was driving 105 MPH on the Southeast Expressway on January 28 (omitting the fact that was well after the contract had been signed);

Now we’re hearing anonymously quoted sources saying Hernandez spent little time with his teammates and was mostly with alleged thugs and convicted dope peddlers from his hometown.

One of them, Alexander Bradley, a convicted cocaine dealer, was stopped Jan. 28 on the Southeast Expressway, with Hernandez in the car, for allegedly driving 105 mph while intoxicated.

A state trooper makes a stop like that with Hernandez allegedly telling him there’s no problem because he’s Aaron Hernandez — and no one tells the Patriots? If true, they not only don’t hire private eyes, they don’t have any eyes ... or, more importantly, ears.

“By and large our organization has done a pretty good job, but if this is true it’s horrible,” Kraft said of the allegations against Hernandez.

That’s like saying, “By and large, Mrs. Lincoln, it was a pretty good play, and sorry about the president.”



(c) the Bruins kept Tyler Seguin in a local hotel in order to keep him out of "local gin joints" during the playoffs, and after (b) above apparently the Pats should have done the same with AH (again, omitting the fact that after Jan 28 the Pats season was over ... I guess they should have done that for the entire off season?); and (d) the Pats had (or should have had) security people with ties to local police so that they would have known about the Jan 28 incident (although he omits what they would have or should have done with that information)

Nearly all professional sports teams employ ex-police officers to keep tabs on multimillion-dollar properties like Aaron Hernandez. Usually they are guys with local ties who get phone calls from friends in law enforcement and learn about the kind of activities Hernandez has been alleged to be involved with in the months leading up to the shooting.

How did the Bruins know enough to lock Tyler Seguin in a local hotel room during the playoffs, as the Herald’s Stephen Harris reported, to keep him out of late-night gin joints, but the Patriots didn’t know about a player in a car going 105 mph with a drunk at the wheel who was a convicted felon?

They didn’t know he was involved in an incident at 2:30 a.m. outside a Providence strip joint where a beef ensued, cops arrived and a gun was found?

This is in no way to imply someone should have known Hernandez was likely to get himself involved in first-degree murder. But they should have known something.

“You can be sure we’ll be looking at all our procedures and auditing how we do things,” Kraft said toward the end of the interview. “I feel bad someone in our organization could potentially be tied to this. If it’s true I’m just shocked.”

If no one in the Patriots’ organization had a clue what Aaron Hernandez was up to the past three years, I’m just as shocked

It sickens me that Wrong Bogus still has such a hold on this franchise. Why does Kraft cater to him?

And Sewer York-lover Breer, aka Bogus Jr, can go do something to himself that I am not allowed
to type the initials thereof.
 
Wow, Breer. I'm sure he's taking crap from Pats fans, and no doubt some of it is from crazies. But this tweet surprises me:

Albert Breer ?@AlbertBreer 22s
It's one thing to be blindly loyal to your team. It's another to be that way when there's a murder investigation going on.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/354713454738800642

Kinda implicates the team in the murder a bit, doesn't it? Last I heard, the team was not under investigation in any way.


Edit, to add this:
Thing is with all these sports writers: They saw Hernandez in the locker room too. Some more than others, and certainly not as much as the team, but they did interact with him. They, too, were duped, as only Reiss has been candid enough to admit. Own up to it, folks.
 
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It appears that Hernandez is at least a sociopath if not a full blown psychopath. It isn't uncommon for sociopaths and psychopaths to live double lives. I mean all you have to do is look at some of the most famous serial killers. Guys like John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy were very friendly and popular people among their communities. Both were very active in local politics (Gacy with the Democratic party and Bundy with the Republican party). But they turned out to be monsters.

It is very conceivable that Hernandez is very much like those serial killers where he did come off as a very likable and good guy to Kraft but really was a heartless killer in his private life.
 
Wow, Breer. I'm sure he's taking crap from Pats fans, and no doubt some of it is from crazies. But this tweet surprises me:



https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/354713454738800642

Kinda implicates the team in the murder a bit, doesn't it?

Breer is a douche waffle through and through.

He's been beating the "THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN!!!!!!" drum all week, even going as far as saying, "THEY DID KNOW!!!!!!" I was really disappointed when Merloni was completely buying Breer's schtick today.
 
It appears that Hernandez is at least a sociopath if not a full blown psychopath. It isn't uncommon for sociopaths and psychopaths to live double lives. I mean all you have to do is look at some of the most famous serial killers. Guys like John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy were very friendly and popular people among their communities. Both were very active in local politics (Gacy with the Democratic party and Bundy with the Republican party). But they turned out to be monsters.

It is very conceivable that Hernandez is very much like those serial killers where he did come off as a very likable and good guy to Kraft but really was a heartless killer in his private life.

It was striking to me how emotionally detached he seemed in the court proceedings. Reminded me of a trapped animal that didn't know what was going on. Except eerily calm.

And, again, let's not forget he came off as "a very likable and good guy" to the media and, via their portrayal, to us. I'm pretty sure I once used the phrase "pathologically happy" to describe him here. Turns out I might have been only half right.
 
And you'd damn well have someone a little sharper than you review it, if not draft it entirely.

I see know reason for you to insult me? If you disagree with my opinion that is fine and certainly your right. We're adults in an online message board that have likely never met in person, you know nothing about me, my intelligence or my mental aptitude. Making a statement implying that I'm not sharp is very offensive to me, also it's against the forum rules. I have no intentions of reporting this post but you as a member should abide by them since you did agree to do so when signing up.

Regarding your belief that its good business to do what Hernandez did that is debatable, it shows weakness and desperation which teams could perceive as an indication that your draft stock is low on many other teams boards, basically he tipped his hand. More importantly its not smart business because it didn't work, the letter was sent to most teams I'm sure and yet teams still left him off their boards completely and we didn't select him till the 4th round.
 
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