Kraft comments on Hernandez

[chicowalker]

I don't feel bad for Odin Lloyd, kid was a thug, it goes with the lifestyle. It's not like he was some innocent boy or anything. ...

Is there any evidence to back this up? I'm not living in Boston, so maybe there has been more press about lloyd than in the national media, but I haven't read anything about him having issues with the law or otherwise being a thug.

 

[Brady6]

I don't feel bad for Odin Lloyd, kid was a thug, it goes with the lifestyle. It's not like he was some innocent boy or anything. I don't see why the Patriots should've had a representative there.
I don't feel bad for Kraft or the Patriots organization, only sorry for the players on the team who has to deal with questions regarding Hernandez all season.

I do think that there is more to the story of why Lloyd was killed other than him talking to people Hernandez didn't like. We don't know what that is and until we do we should not pass judgements. Birds or a feather flocking together doesn't always hold true. Remember Lloyd's connection was that he dated the sister of Hernandez fiancé, it is very common for in laws to form bonds. I don't know that he is a 'thug' as you say, he maybe someone who heard something about something and questioned Hernandez about that something and ended up getting killed because of that.

 

[Bella*chick]

I don't feel bad for Odin Lloyd, kid was a thug, it goes with the lifestyle. It's not like he was some innocent boy or anything. I don't see why the Patriots should've had a representativbe there.
I don't feel bad for Kraft or the Patriots organization, only sorry for the players on the team who has to deal with questions regarding Hernandez all season.

Personally I feel the Patriots should've given him the same treatment as the Ravens did Ray Lewis. Wait it out, get the truth and answers and see if he's actually guilty of the crime. Not cut him, act like they're victims and then try to erase any memory of Aaron Heranandez from the organization.

The Patriots have people looking into these players' background. Criminal background. There's police reports about the Rhode Island incident, the Florida incident where some boys got shot (though Hernandez was only questioned), All the stuff that's been coming out lately regarding Heranandez's criminal activity, the Patriots, I'm sure was well aware of it. As long as he was performing well they were willing to slide it under the rug. Now that he's in jail they are cutting him off like he's absolutely nothing without even knowing if he's guilty or not.

I feel he should be given a little more support the team. I feel bad for Hernandez, especially if it turns out he's innocent.

You feel bad for Hernandez but not Lloyd. ESPECIALLY if he's not guilty which implies you feel bad for him even if he's a murderer. Why? Cuz he can catch a football? Get your priorities straight... Your post makes me sick.

 

[Brady6]

You feel bad for Hernandez but not Lloyd. ESPECIALLY if he's not guilty which implies you feel bad for him even if he's a murderer. Why? Cuz he can catch a football? Get your priorities straight... Your post makes me sick.

Yeah you're right on with this one. Feeling bad for a player blowing his knee out is one thing, feeling bad for one blowing his friends brains out is not right.

We all love the game and want to see the patriots succeed but at the end of the day it's a game and its value is no where beat that of a human life.

 

[Brady6]

I feel he should be given a little more support the team. I feel bad for Hernandez, especially if it turns out he's innocent.

Unless the DA ends up being indicted for perjury because everything he provided at the arraignment were lies. There is no possible way Hernandez is innocent. It's possible he maybe found not guilty, but he still isn't innocent. And he will be found liable in the likely civil suit because the reasonable doubt card is no longer part of the equation.

You don't really think Lloyd jumped out of the car and shot himself 5 times do you?

 

[SB39]

Is there any evidence to back this up? I'm not living in Boston, so maybe there has been more press about lloyd than in the national media, but I haven't read anything about him having issues with the law or otherwise being a thug.

Well, you're known by the company you keep and let's face it... one of his best friends was Aaron Hernandez.....

I don't think anything direct has come out about Lloyd, but I would be willing to wager he was kind of a scumbag himself. Not to mention that, if some theories are correct, he had knowledge of a double homicide from 2012 and didn't act on it.

 

[Brady6]

Well, you're known by the company you keep and let's face it... one of his best friends was Aaron Hernandez.....

I don't think anything direct has come out about Lloyd, but I would be willing to wager he was kind of a scumbag himself. Not to mention that, if some theories are correct, he had knowledge of a double homicide from 2012 and didn't act on it.

Are you married or in a relationship? Lloyd was friends with Hernandez through him dating his fiancé sister. He had never even met the Ortiz or Wallace before, which to me is indicative of the fact that he wasn't a best friend but rather an friend through family association. He may of had knowledge of the double homicide through the interaction in the club with the people who Hernandez didn't like. He may of questioned Hernandez's involvement upon hearing that rumor which resulted in his murder.

Lloyd was not a man of wealth and means, it's unlikely that he could cover his tracks the way Hernandez did. He lived in Dorchester and grew up in the area, if he was involved in a double homicide he likely would of received police attention or retaliation from the friends of the homicide victims.

Hernandez had the means to keep himself sheltered from prosecution and the protection to discourage retaliation. Lloyd didn't appear to have either.

 

[Tunescribe]

Now that he's in jail they are cutting him off like he's absolutely nothing without even knowing if he's guilty or not.

I feel he should be given a little more support the team. I feel bad for Hernandez, especially if it turns out he's innocent.

I feel bad for Hernandez as well, mostly because of the sad, sorry turn his life took after his father died. He's not the devil, he's not "all bad." But he's not innocent, and in the end should feel thankful that Massachusetts doesn't have he death penalty. If it did, that's likely what he'd be facing.

 

[Concerned_Citizen]

You feel bad for Hernandez but not Lloyd. ESPECIALLY if he's not guilty which implies you feel bad for him even if he's a murderer. Why? Cuz he can catch a football? Get your priorities straight... Your post makes me sick.

I just can't bring myself to feel much sympathy for Hernandez. Of course, it it somehow turns out he is completely innocent and really had nothing to do with it, then I will owe him a big apology, but don't feel bad for Hernandez. He got to live every man's dream and he pissed it all away to live a double life of thuggery.

It probably didn't help that he played for a team that was about an hour and a half away from where he grew up, but he HAD to have been warned throughout his career and college to take care in who he associates himself with.

Don't feel bad for Hernandez, feel bad for all those he duped and screwed over throughout his career, not to mention those others he's shot. He's being sued for shooting some other guy in the face? He's being investigated for two more murders? I gotta wonder if they weren't paying him so much if the Pats would still have Wes Welker on the team, or is there more to his departure than what they are telling us in Denver?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I feel bad for Hernandez as well, mostly because of the sad, sorry turn his life took after his father died. He's not the devil, he's not "all bad." But he's not innocent, and in the end should feel thankful that Massachusetts doesn't have he death penalty. If it did, that's likely what he'd be facing.

That's the big question that needs to be answered, and we'll probably learn over the next year or so. There are really only two basic explanations for what happened:

(1) He got caught up in trouble, and simply couldn't/didn't know how to pull himself away, despite efforts to do so.
(2) He got caught up in trouble, and liked that lifestyle.

In the former scenario, this whole thing plays out as Greek tragedy; in the latter, he really did become a cold-blooded killer.

I'm not saying the two are completely exclusive; it could be a mixture of the two. The former case would cause me to pity Hernandez. The latter case would make me extremely angry that he threw away his entire life for essentially nothing.

 

[Brady6]

I feel bad for Hernandez as well, mostly because of the sad, sorry turn his life took after his father died. He's not the devil, he's not "all bad." But he's not innocent, and in the end should feel thankful that Massachusetts doesn't have he death penalty. If it did, that's likely what he'd be facing.

As someone who lost their father at 15 I can say it isn't something that motivates you to kill. Hernandez is also a father as am I and if he was so devastated by his loss why would he want his daughter to experience losing him to prison? I know I want more for my son than what I had.

Hernandez is a sociopath he likely felt no emotion when his father passed but rather saw it as an opportunity to prey on the empathy of others to avoid the repercussions of his actions.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So, did the Patriots ever decide to drug test David Dunn bi-weekly or not?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't feel bad for Odin Lloyd, kid was a thug, it goes with the lifestyle. It's not like he was some innocent boy or anything. I don't see why the Patriots should've had a representative there.
I don't feel bad for Kraft or the Patriots organization, only sorry for the players on the team who has to deal with questions regarding Hernandez all season.

Personally I feel the Patriots should've given him the same treatment as the Ravens did Ray Lewis. Wait it out, get the truth and answers and see if he's actually guilty of the crime. Not cut him, act like they're victims and then try to erase any memory of Aaron Heranandez from the organization.

The Patriots have people looking into these players' background. Criminal background. There's police reports about the Rhode Island incident, the Florida incident where some boys got shot (though Hernandez was only questioned), All the stuff that's been coming out lately regarding Heranandez's criminal activity, the Patriots, I'm sure was well aware of it. As long as he was performing well they were willing to slide it under the rug. Now that he's in jail they are cutting him off like he's absolutely nothing without even knowing if he's guilty or not.

I feel he should be given a little more support the team. I feel bad for Hernandez, especially if it turns out he's innocent.

I feel you, my heart still goes out to Rae Carruth as well, i mean, he has to spend the rest of his life in jail for murdering that girl and she gets out of having to care for their baby for the following 20 years. He could have been on Madden and all she was going to do was club it and be a terrible mother. He lost out on all that advertising money and fame and she only lost her life. The Panthers should have been more supportive and tried to help break him out of jail but like the scumbag Patriots they cut ties with him instead. Hernandez has been woefully wronged here, people forget that he was the one who got disrespected, Lloyd only got a few bullets and an execution style murder for being disrespectful, he got off easy, and now AH has to pay an unbelievable price simply for righting a wrong................


If only more people had the common sense and wisdom you so clearly possess.

 

[Bella*chick]

What gets me is saying Lloyd is probably a thug (though really nothing has pointed to this EXCEPT HIS ASSOCIATION WITH HERNANDEZ) so he gets what he deserves but Hernandez, the one who really has the thug thing going on, deserves sympathy. It's so screwed up.

 

[chicowalker]

Well, you're known by the company you keep and let's face it... one of his best friends was Aaron Hernandez.....

I don't think anything direct has come out about Lloyd, but I would be willing to wager he was kind of a scumbag himself. Not to mention that, if some theories are correct, he had knowledge of a double homicide from 2012 and didn't act on it.

Is even that correct -- that Hernandez was one of his best friends?

Basically your answer, though, is that, no, there is no evidence that he was a thug or a scumbag.

Let's say that he did have knowledge of the double homicide, and that's what led to him being killed. I'm not sure I'd pass judgment on him for keeping the information to himself if, say, he feared for his life -- given what we know now, that would have been a pretty reasonable fear.

I would think that if he were a bad guy, he'd have some form of record, and that would have come out by now. But for now, all we really know is that he was murdered. Why make things up about the victim? Just because a (now former) Patriot apparently either killed him or was involved in the killing?

 

[Pats0204]

I feel you, my heart still goes out to Rae Carruth as well, i mean, he has to spend the rest of his life in jail for murdering that girl and she gets out of having to care for their baby for the following 20 years. He could have been on Madden and all she was going to do was club it and be a terrible mother. He lost out on all that advertising money and fame and she only lost her life. The Panthers should have been more supportive and tried to help break him out of jail but like the scumbag Patriots they cut ties with him instead. Hernandez has been woefully wronged here, people forget that he was the one who got disrespected, Lloyd only got a few bullets and an execution style murder for being disrespectful, he got off easy, and now AH has to pay an unbelievable price simply for righting a wrong................


If only more people had the common sense and wisdom you so clearly possess.

Believe it or not, Carruth is scheduled to be released from prison in 2018.

 

[jmt57]

Two weeks ago many media and fans were demanding that Kraft and/or Belichick make a statement.

Now that Kraft does just that many are saying that he should not have done so.


I guess that no matter what happens, some just want to :scream:

 

[Huckleberry1]

Well, you're known by the company you keep and let's face it... one of his best friends was Aaron Hernandez.....

I don't think anything direct has come out about Lloyd, but I would be willing to wager he was kind of a scumbag himself.

Whereas given your comments i would be willing to make that same wager about you.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Believe it or not, Carruth is scheduled to be released from prison in 2018.

That's a real shame, he deserves to rot there for the rest of his life. POS

 

[Tunescribe]

As someone who lost their father at 15 I can say it isn't something that motivates you to kill. Hernandez is also a father as am I and if he was so devastated by his loss why would he want his daughter to experience losing him to prison? I know I want more for my son than what I had.

Hernandez is a sociopath he likely felt no emotion when his father passed but rather saw it as an opportunity to prey on the empathy of others to avoid the repercussions of his actions.

You're misinterpreting what I wrote. Ahern reportedly was quite close to his dad and turned to drugs/acting out as coping mechanisms when he died.