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Mods, feel free to merge with the Ellerbe thread — I almost put this there but figured these types of stories will come fast and furious, so maybe try to rein them into one thread at the beginning?

Anyway, from old friend Bert Breer, back from his honeymoon:

Aaron Hernandez fallout: Patriots pay price for risky draft class - NFL.com

"It's gonna really hurt them," the NFC exec added. "Three of the quarterback's four best weapons are gone, if you throw (Brandon) Lloyd in there. The run game is solid, but how much of that was because of how well they throw it? The defense is just OK. ... I think they're average, depending on when Gronk gets back. Teams are gonna be biting at the bit to play them early on."

I thought this was interesting at the end:

The development of rookies Aaron Dobson and Josh Boyce at receiver -- a position at which the club has struggled to bring along young guys -- would help. So too could the running game, behind Stevan Ridley and Shane Vereen, taking on a more prominent role in the offense's structure. That, plus improvement from a young defense, could lead to the team's makeup reverting closer to what it was in the Patriots' championship years a decade ago.

As the great Gil Santos put it: "Despite all of the prognostications of doom, the Patriots ... intend to take the field ..."
 
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Well if Gronk misses any of the first four weeks, why wouldn't a team be biting at the bit to play the Pats? There are still a lot of unanswered questions in the passing game. Their offense could very well feature two rookies and a guy that's missed a ton of time over the last couple of years.
 
I do not recommend helping these "writers" by viewing their articles. I am just putting this in one place to help a certain writer who thinks it does not exist.

Whitlock blaming Kraft and Belichick
Ashley Fox blathers about Belichick and Kraft being guilty of murder

That is the low hanging fruit.

The titles are disgusting enough. I won't even bother clicking on the links.
I'm old school. I blame people for what they do. Hernandez is accused of first degree murder, call me crazy, but I blame him.
The only thing the Patriots are guilty of is TRUSTING him, IMHO.
 
The titles are disgusting enough. I won't even bother clicking on the links.
I'm old school. I blame people for what they do. Hernandez is accused of first degree murder, call me crazy, but I blame him.
The only thing the Patriots are guilty of is TRUSTING him, IMHO.

Yeah, I was really kind of picturing this as a thread for writers' "thoughts" on the Patriots football outlook on the field -- not on the Hernandez case. There are already a handful of "Patriots are vulnerable" articles out there and I thought this would be a good home for them. There are plenty of other threads about the Hernandez case and finger-pointing.
 
Yeah, I was really kind of picturing this as a thread for writers' "thoughts" on the Patriots football outlook on the field -- not on the Hernandez case. There are already a handful of "Patriots are vulnerable" articles out there and I thought this would be a good home for them. There are plenty of other threads about the Hernandez case and finger-pointing.

Trust me, I'm hearing it all. The Jets fans are exceptionally excited...LOL.
It really doesn't bother me right now because they haven't even had training camp yet. There are so many questions that need answering. It's all just noise right now. No One knows today what this team will be when they come out of training camp. They are all making a bunch of hopeful assumptions.
 
Mods, feel free to merge with the Ellerbe thread — I almost put this there but figured these types of stories will come fast and furious, so maybe try to rein them into one thread at the beginning?

Anyway, from old friend Bert Breer, back from his honeymoon:

Aaron Hernandez fallout: Patriots pay price for risky draft class - NFL.com



I thought this was interesting at the end:



As the great Gil Santos put it: "Despite all of the prognostications of doom, the Patriots ... intend to take the field ..."
Two thoughts: a. Old friend Albert must have been orgasmic hearing the first quote, despite his assumed sexual activity on his honeymoon, and b. I had no idea that Gronk died recently.
 
Love that the bulk of these prognostications people act like Brady and Belichick really have no say in this matter. Nope one of the best QB ever and one of the best HC ever and it's because they let Welker leave, Gronk may or may not be ready for the start of the season, Hernandez is locked up, Mr. Catch and Fall Down is gone.

But it's because of those guys being gone the Patriots are probably doomed. Nope there is just no chance Brady finds a rapport with Amendola, Dobson, Ballard, Boyce or anyone else during training camp.

Stevan Ridley, only the second RB in the Brady-Belichick era to go for 1200+ and 12 TD but that's because of the passing game and not because he actually maybe good. And Vereen is certainly no threat to make plays it's not like he had a 7 Rec 105 yards 2 TD playoff game, oh wait that's right he did. He also chipped in, in the running game that game with 11 rush 52 yards and a TD

But I actually prefer the overall opinion to be this way, it makes it much sweeter when they shut everyone up
 
Breer was teasing this article on Twitter yesterday. I replied to him that plenty of people in the media have wanted the Patriots to take risks. I cited a lot of his friends on 98.5 who have said that the Patriots need to get "players not choir boys" "be more mean" and, wait for it, "do more of what the Jets do" (I'll wait for you to stop laughing). He, not surprisingly, did not respond.
 
I think it is appropriate to say that I would expect them to be worse early in the season. Average is a bit of a stretch.

It also occurs to me that the defensive line should be improved and the offensive line is probably the best in the NFL. That might be something to build on.
 
Breer was teasing this article on Twitter yesterday. I replied to him that plenty of people in the media have wanted the Patriots to take risks. I cited a lot of his friends on 98.5 who have said that the Patriots need to get "players not choir boys" "be more mean" and, wait for it, "do more of what the Jets do" (I'll wait for you to stop laughing). He, not surprisingly, did not respond.
Just watched NFL Live on ESPN and the question about Ellerbe's comments and the Pats' vulnerabilty were discussed by Jaworski and Herm Edwards. Both agreed that with BB and Brady, the Pats would very likely be fine.
 
Mods, feel free to merge with the Ellerbe thread — I almost put this there but figured these types of stories will come fast and furious, so maybe try to rein them into one thread at the beginning?

Anyway, from old friend Bert Breer, back from his honeymoon:

Aaron Hernandez fallout: Patriots pay price for risky draft class - NFL.com



I thought this was interesting at the end:



As the great Gil Santos put it: "Despite all of the prognostications of doom, the Patriots ... intend to take the field ..."

Does this mean we are going to have another season of Breer going on 98.5 and announcing week after week that the current team on the Patriots schedule "is a much tougher match up for the Patriots than people think" like he did every week of the 2011 season where the Pats went 13-3 and went to the Super Bowl?

Ever since Breer left New England for the NFL Network, he has become a Patriots hater/doubter as if he needs to put down the Patriots to gain national credibility.

Yes, the Pats have questions, but this team is still good enough to be a top team in a weak conference. And as we found with most of the last five or six Super Bowl winners, you don't have to be the best team to win only need to be hot when you hit the playoffs.
 
We entered the 2010 with more questions on both sides of the ball. Thanks to a great draft class and a few solid role players attained through FA that team went 14-2. Consider that a) Welker was coming off an ACL injury and a good option, but not the Welker we're used to that year and b) Moss would be useless to us that year, we had almost nothing but hope going into that season too at WR/TE. I don't think that Amendola and our WR draft picks are going to be Gronk/Ahern but they don't need to be. We have a better run game and should have a better defense.
 
Ashley??....ASHLEY!!!!...can the hysterics and fetch the bolt cutters....Frankie caught his weenie on the fence again....

 
Does this mean we are going to have another season of Breer going on 98.5 and announcing week after week that the current team on the Patriots schedule "is a much tougher match up for the Patriots than people think" like he did every week of the 2011 season where the Pats went 13-3 and went to the Super Bowl?

Ever since Breer left New England for the NFL Network, he has become a Patriots hater/doubter as if he needs to put down the Patriots to gain national credibility.

Yes, the Pats have questions, but this team is still good enough to be a top team in a weak conference. And as we found with most of the last five or six Super Bowl winners, you don't have to be the best team to win only need to be hot when you hit the playoffs.

Yeah, Breer is a complete waste now, painful to listen to for even brief, accidental stretches. I had to suffer through an entire 3-4 minute trash spewing while getting a hair cut this morning. Amazing how far he has fallen.

Personally, I just hope someone says that the Patriots are "ripe for the pickin'", that phrase just has wonderful memories.
 
This passing offense will not be as potent as what weve seen in the past few years. You just cant lose guys like Welker and Hernandez and expect the status quo. The trouble with relying on Boyce and Dobson (assuming they get up to speed out of the gate) is that the rookie wall is very real and when the Pats will need them the most.

The defense is going to half to step it up a few notches and be more prominent in wins. That means holding a lead and making stops in the red zone and on 3rd down. The pass defense has to improve and not be the sieve of the NFL.

Brady is great but hes not Jesus. Im ready to see a Pats defense that can stop a good offense again.
 
A lot of what's going on out there -- with media and fans of other teams -- is wishful thinking, plain and simple. They're tired if the Patriots winning all the time, so they conjure scenarios in which they predict/hope it changes.
 
Mods, feel free to merge with the Ellerbe thread — I almost put this there but figured these types of stories will come fast and furious, so maybe try to rein them into one thread at the beginning?

Personally I like the idea of one single "Pats are Doomed" thread rather than one for each and every single article that proclaims that opinion to be a fact. That gets rather tiresome to me, especially when it is mostly just a rehashing of the same theme, another writer with a slightly different twist eliciting the expected 'OMG, I can't believe he dissed the Pats' reaction from someone feeling the need to start a new thread here on the subject.



By the way, if you read what Ellerbe said it comes across far less incendiary than the alarmist headlines that attract people would have you believe.


"I think they are but you have to prove it, you can't just talk about it,"

"I was brought here to help knock them off. That doesn't mean we will, but we feel like we can. Like I said, we just have to prove it. You have to actually go do it."



Then there is this, which even huge homers like me would not dispute:

"I don't think you can say the Patriots are the same as before after what happened to Hernandez"



Ellerbe couched his comments rather diplomatically, in my opinion.


There is a certain other segment of the media that we all know about that gleefully jump at the opportunity to pick that low hanging fruit, dumping on the Pats and declaring them dead. Should the Patriots lose back-to-back games early this season - something that is a not only a possibility, but may even be a probability - these very same writers will prematurely throw dirt on the grave of the New England Patriots.

And just like Jason, Freddy Kreuger, and every other horror movie villain, the Pats will return and be right in the mix come playoffs in January.
 
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And just like Jason, Freddy Kreuger, and every other horror movie villain, the Pats will return and be right in the mix come playoffs in January.

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