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He was cut from one team and traded by another. They didn't trade Tim Tebow for a box of cookies. When Denver traded him it was because Peyton Manning was going to take his place. Now I am no peyton manning fan, but how many decent Quarterbacks would get traded if they had the opportunity to bring in Peyton Manning. I say many teams would. Is Tim as good as Tom Brady or Peyton Manning no, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be. Also bear in mind Peyton and Brady have way more experience than Tim.

and what was he traded for?
 
and what was he traded for?

Tim Tebow traded to New York Jets; Broncos get two draft picks - The Denver Post

"Tim Tebow, who made the Broncos arguably the biggest NFL story in 2011, will bring his athleticism and fervent followers to New York. Finally.

The Broncos traded their star quarterback with the polarizing skill set, and a seventh-round draft pick, to the New York Jets in exchange for a fourth- and a sixth-round pick, according to an NFL source.

The trade gives the Broncos seven picks in the seven-round 2012 NFL Draft — one in the first, second and third rounds; two in the fourth round, one in the fifth, one in the sixth and none in the seventh.

Earlier Wednesday, the trade hit a snag and Jacksonville entered as a possible destination for Tebow. But New York won out in the end.

The Broncos and Jets will split the difference on advance salary in Tebow's contract, with New York reimbursing Denver $2.53 million, according to an NFL source.

That money had caused the Jets some pause earlier in the day. They learned about the contract clause — which would have required New York to pay Denver more than $5 million — after annoucing the trade.

The trade also sends the circus that was Tebowmania to a city big enough to handle it.

Perhaps more than any player since former Jets quarterback Joe Namath in the rebellious late-1960s, Tebow is an NFL star who crossed over to become a cultural icon.

With Namath, the popularity was about sex appeal. He helped bring the female audience to the NFL. With Tebow, it's about his strong Christian convictions, All-American persona — and ability to pull off remarkable comeback victories despite pronounced flaws as a passer.

The interest in the Jets was not a surprise. Jets' coach Rex Ryan and Tebow have the same agent in Jimmy Sexton. Ryan's offense in 2011 also seemed to badly miss Wildcat weapon Brad Smith, who became a free agent after the 2010 season and signed with Buffalo.

And Ryan wound up needing paramedic treatment after Tebow beat his Jets, 17-13 with



a 95 ½-yard drive that culminated with the quarterback busting through a blitz sack of safety Erik Smith and running in for a 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds remaining.

Afterwards, an emergency medical service (EMS) unit from the Denver Fire Department was sent to Harry B. Combs Parkway near the Denver International Airport where the Jets' charter plane was preparing to take off.

Turns out Ryan was suffering from indigestion brought on by a postgame meal which, combined with the lap-band surgery he had in March, 2010, didn't sit well.

His stomach hurting on the team bus ride to the airport, paramedics were called to meet the team at the airport as a precaution.

When paramedics arrived, one of them asked Ryan
how he was doing.

"I was doing fine until (bleep-bleep) Tebow had that (bleeping) 95 yard drive," Ryan said, according to sources.

If the Jets acquire Tebow, he would first be used to help the team's sagging running game. Tebow is arguably the best 2-point conversion and Wildcat weapon in the NFL.

Ryan is a defensive-raised head coach and defensive coaches tend to appreciate Tebow more than offensive coaches because the quarterback adds physicality, toughness and energy to a team.

The Jets recently extended the contract of incumbent quarterback Mark Sanchez, but better believe Ryan will feel pressure to play Tebow during the 2012 season.

The Jets, too, are forever in competition with the New York Giants for
Tim Tebow delivering the Mile High Salute after scoring the winning touchdown to beat the New York Jets last season. (Joe Amon, The Denver Post)
the back pages of the New York tabloids. The Giants are the defending Super Bowl champs. The Jets have Tebow.

Advantage, Jets?

Tebow took a Broncos team that was 4-12 in 2010 and 1-4 at the start of 2011 and led it to the AFC West title thanks to a magical run of six consecutive victories.

Tebow, 24, also lifted the Broncos to a first-round playoff win against the heavily favored Pittsburgh Steelers with an 80-yard touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas on the first play of overtime.

The quarterback was quickly placed on the trade market, though, because the Broncos signed prized free agent Peyton Manning. Although, Broncos' front-office boss John Elway and head coach John Fox believe Tebow can be a successful starting quarterback in the league, the feeling was there was not a tent big enough to handle a circus that would feature both Tebow and Manning.

Trading away Tebow hands the keys of the Broncos' franchise to Manning, whom the team just gave a $96 million contract with $18 million in full guarantees and $58 million in guarantees other than if he suffers a neck injury.

Tebow was a controversial first-round draft choice of then Broncos coach/front office boss Josh McDaniels in 2010. New regimes, though, always lead to roster turnover. Elway believes a team cannot win a Super Bowl without an elite passing attack. For all of Tebow's strengths in terms of will, competitiveness, athleticism and leadership, his 46.5 completion percentage ranked 34th in the 32-team NFL.

Even McDaniels himself had changed his mind about Tebow, giving incumbent starter Kyle Orton a contract extension months after drafting the former Heisman Trophy winner from the University of Florida.

Tebow was to receive a base salary of $405,000 in 2011. But five days after the start of the league season — which turned out to be Aug. 6, 2011 because of the lockout — the Broncos exercised a $6,277,500 advance in guaranteed salaries.

The $6,277,500 million in advances came from salaries of four seasons: 2011 ($1,213,750); 2012 ($1,425,000); 2013 ($1,691,250) and 2014 ($1.92 million).

The Broncos paid their 2011 advanced portion (and got their money's worth as Tebow led them from a 1-4 start under Kyle Orton to the playoffs)."
 
So essentially - a "starting quarterback" was traded for a 4th and 6th round draft pick.

Are you getting it yet? Elway didn't want Tebow. That is why HE pursued Manning to get Tebow out of Denver. There is a reason for it.
 
Runs with explosion, plays special teams, has played FB and is a good third down pass blocker. Ideal 3rd down back as I see it.

Who Bolden or Blount? And you mean 3rd string right?
 
Starting caliber quarterbacks don't get cut twice by two other teams.

Kurt Warner was cut by the rams and would likely have been cut by the Giants (or at least relegated to permanent backup status) if he hadn't voided his contract on his own.

Kerry Collins was also cut multiple times while still remaining a starting caliber QB.


There are other examples, (i.e. Jeff Garcia) as well.
 
So essentially - a "starting quarterback" was traded for a 4th and 6th round draft pick.

Are you getting it yet? Elway didn't want Tebow. That is why HE pursued Manning to get Tebow out of Denver. There is a reason for it.

Yes, but what I am saying is that many NFL teams would cut their starting QB for Peyton manning if given the opportunity with few exceptions. He wasn't traded for some joe smo, but so that Peyton Manning could be their starter.

I get that, but what I am saying is he was traded not because he was bad, but so they could get someone better. It's like saying I wanted to trade the B student for an A student. Sure they wanted the A student over the B student and that's why they traded the B student for the A student. The B student is NOT a bad student just not as good as the A student.
 
No offense Christiancat, but these people will never accept Us and Tim's type... Inherently, they have something against us... Whether it's our morals and values or envy about the faith that they don't have... We sicken them... In their pretty green liberal World, it's ok to persecute Christians...Especially white, successful ones.. It just comes with the territory I guess.. It's a shame really... But Christiancat, as a Christian you have to agree that the persecution of Christians has gotten at an all time high?... God Bless

Not that I agree with you statement of it being at an all time high but the persecution around your religion likely was brought on by the indiscretions by priests with children they were entrusted to watch over. Certainly has nothing to do with race, income or anything else you've made mention of.

Question for you? And if you could answer it I'd appreciate, because I've notice when I approach you with logic you ignore me. Have you ever met Tim Tebow? Face to face, in person, shook hands?
 
Not that I agree with you statement of it being at an all time high but the persecution around your religion likely was brought on by the indiscretions by priests with children they were entrusted to watch over. Certainly has nothing to do with race, income or anything else you've made mention of.

Question for you? And if you could answer it I'd appreciate, because I've notice when I approach you with logic you ignore me. Have you ever met Tim Tebow? Face to face, in person, shook hands?

The world will never know. . . .

:woohoo:
 
Who Bolden or Blount? And you mean 3rd string right?

No, George Winn. And I meant 3rd down back:

1. By all accounts a very capable pass blocking RB.

2. Hits holes hard and decisively. Also sees holes well. I think this suggests he'll be good at running draw playsd.

3. Isn't known for his catching prowess but certainly seems capable at it.

Add in his special team abilities and I think he offers more than perhaps Blount and Bolden do and would be a good bet for the final 53.
 
Kurt Warner was cut by the rams and would likely have been cut by the Giants (or at least relegated to permanent backup status) if he hadn't voided his contract on his own.

Kerry Collins was also cut multiple times while still remaining a starting caliber QB.


There are other examples, (i.e. Jeff Garcia) as well.
I would think the big difference here is that if Tebow were cut, that would make two dismissals in the span of less than a year, and then also so early in his career. I think all of the examples you've cited played for one team for the length of a rookie contract (or more) before getting cut.

I think a very salient question here is how many starting-caliber QB's have bounced around so often so early in their careers.
 
I would think the big difference here is that if Tebow were cut, that would make two dismissals in the span of less than a year, and then also so early in his career. I think all of the examples you've cited played for one team for the length of a rookie contract (or more) before getting cut.

I think a very salient question here is how many starting-caliber QB's have bounced around so often so early in their careers.

Perhaps, but that wasn't what was posed. One could also ask how often a starting QB does what Tebow did and then gets completely shafted the next year the way he did. That's a rarity, as well. Why people try shoehorning the Tebow situation into normal parameters is a bit baffling, since it's clearly not the same.
 
So essentially - a "starting quarterback" was traded for a 4th and 6th round draft pick.

Are you getting it yet? Elway didn't want Tebow. That is why HE pursued Manning to get Tebow out of Denver. There is a reason for it.

Because manning is better perhaps?
 
Kurt Warner was cut by the rams and would likely have been cut by the Giants (or at least relegated to permanent backup status) if he hadn't voided his contract on his own.

Kerry Collins was also cut multiple times while still remaining a starting caliber QB.


There are other examples, (i.e. Jeff Garcia) as well.

Warner and Collins were cut by the teams because of injury and not because of performance and additionally, Warner and Collins were well into their careers and were more cap casualties on top of their injury history than a guy being cut because of performance.

Tebow was traded for a 4th and 6th round pick and frankly Elway was fortunate that he got that because he made it well known that the Broncos were moving in a different direction.

Yes - starting caliber quarterbacks get cut because of cap issues and injury.

Tebow was traded for a couple of picks and was cut because of performance.

Don't let the facts get in the way.
 
No, George Winn. And I meant 3rd down back:

1. By all accounts a very capable pass blocking RB.

2. Hits holes hard and decisively. Also sees holes well. I think this suggests he'll be good at running draw playsd.

3. Isn't known for his catching prowess but certainly seems capable at it.

Add in his special team abilities and I think he offers more than perhaps Blount and Bolden do and would be a good bet for the final 53.

Oh ok. That makes sense. Heard some good things about Winn, at the very least I'd love to see him make PS.
 
I would think the big difference here is that if Tebow were cut, that would make two dismissals in the span of less than a year, and then also so early in his career. I think all of the examples you've cited played for one team for the length of a rookie contract (or more) before getting cut.

I think a very salient question here is how many starting-caliber QB's have bounced around so often so early in their careers.

He was traded by a team acquiring a hall of fame QB and then was cut by the Jets. So was Danny Woodhead. I'm not sure being cut by a team as dysfunctional as the Jets is necessarily a bad thing.
 
Because manning is better perhaps?

Is Tebow better than any quarterback that is projected to start this year? The answer is no.

BTW - when Tebow is cut, you can change that signature image that you have.
 
Because manning is better perhaps?

It turns out there are at least 35 better QBs in the league too, at one point last season Mark Sanchez was the 34th ranked QB in the league and when he went down GREG MCELROY got the start, not super duper Timmy!

The guy is a scrub and should not be in the league, you poor indoctrinated souls need to see this - if the Pats didn't pick him up off the scrap heap for whatever reason the guy would not be in the league at all.
 
I am looking forward to the day when Tebow gets cut. That will be toward the end of August when he can't hit the broadside of a barn in game 2 of the pre-season.

Starting caliber quarterbacks don't get cut twice by two other teams.

Remember that.

Keep rooting against your own players...it shows your true agenda.
 
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