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Blount is a backup to Ridley and perhaps a short-yardage back. It seems unlikely to me that he will be beaten out by a drug-free Bolden. But that's why they have Training Camp. We shall see.

Good Stuff! As I said I don't know much about Blount. I'm hoping maybe he can be a Sammy Morris type for us. I'm basing that on his size and running style.

I liked Bolden in that one game against Buffalo but it didn't really carry over to other games. And your absolutely right when he returned from the suspension he was non existent. He did play core ST's though so I think that will help his chances.
 
The question for us is not how a Denver coached Tebow did against the patriots two years ago. The question is how a patriot-coached Tebow would do against the league 2-3 years later.
 
Here's what some of the "great" QB's in the NFL did against the 2011 Pats pass defense.

Chad Henne: 30-49, 416 yards, 2 TD
Ryan Fitzpatrick (over 2 games): 56-86, 676 yards, 4 TD
Jason Campbell: 25-39, 344 yards, 1 TD
Dan Orlovsky: 30-37, 353 yards, 2 TD
Vince Young: 26-48, 400 yards, 1 TD
Rex Grossman: 19-32, 252 yards, 2 TD
Matt Moore: 16-32, 281 yards, 3 TD

THAT is a "good defense"?? Er...no.

And to think TT stunk it up against the same defense that these perennial pro bowlers lit up....

If I could like this post more than once I would.

Some of those names are outrageous. I must of blocked out how bad things really were back then. God Bless Talib and Dennard..
 
The question for us is not how a Denver coached Tebow did against the patriots two years ago. The question is how a patriot-coached Tebow would do against the league 2-3 years later.

and THAT will be determined...as yet there is ZERO evidence to log on here and begin boasting about what Tebow did in a quarter and half two years ago that proves that he's even capable of becoming, because he is NOT right now,an adequate back-up QB in the offensive system the Patriots run. This is NOT a read/run option offensive system and given the current state of the WR group, it is beyond ridiculous that McDaniels would devote even ten seconds to a read/run package during preseason.Tebow either shows an ability toi stand in the pocket and read his progressions or he's a cut. It's that simple. The propaganda is what blinds everyone to the obvious.
 
If I could like this post more than once I would.

Some of those names are outrageous. I must of blocked out how bad things really were back then. God Bless Talib and Dennard..

^ yup

Especially the Orlovsky/Colts game... that was a disgrace.

Hoping for much better things on that side of the ball in the coming years.
 
^ yup

Especially the Orlovsky/Colts game... that was a disgrace.

Hoping for much better things on that side of the ball in the coming years.

Vince Young stats almost gave me an anxiety attack.

I do have to say though this site is addicting. I signed up a few days ago and I think my wife is getting ready to divorce me already
 
Can I ask what exactly is it that you want the Patriots to do to make up for what you view as a injustice by the Jets toward Tebow last season?

There's nothing the Pats can do to make up for what happened with the Jets last year. What I hope is that Tebow makes the roster and gets developed as a QB in a system that appreciates what he brings to the table.


Anybody who is suggesting that Tom F'n Brady should come off the field for Tim Tebow even for one snap a game is NOT looking at what's best for this team. It's laughable in fact. We are talking about a QB with a 9-7 career record and a career completion of 47%.

Actually, that might be kind of short sighted thinking. Would have to go back and double check, but there was a thread about short yardage stats and it seemed that there were cases where the Pats had noticeable room for improvement.



Tom Brady hasn't win less than Tebow's career total in any season he's been a starter, he's been to 5 SB won 3, he's won 2 MVP's and is a pillar in the community and by all intensive purposes a great human being.

Just so you aren't mistaken as to my position, Brady is a much better QB than Tebow is now or could hope to be in a couple of years.



If you want to come back after 2017 when Brady retires and argue for Tebow to be the starting QB that's fine I may even entertain it. But today come on? That type of logic belongs on Christian Mingle not in a Patriots forum where 99.9% of the user live and breath this team winning.


Just for kicks, can you show me where I even came remotely close to saying, suggesting or implying that Tebow should start ?

All I've done is to defend him against people who are basically saying that he isn't a QB.
 
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Actually, that might be kind of short sighted thinking. Would have to go back and double check, but there was a thread about short yardage stats and it seemed that there were cases where the Pats had noticeable room for improvement.

This team does not need short yardage help and any thought that Brady is coming off the field for Tebow for any reason is just a pipe dream.

Just so you know, Brady has not missed on a 3rd or 4th and 1 in eight years.
 
There's nothing the Pats can do to make up for what happened with the Jets last year. What I hope is that Tebow makes the roster and gets developed as a QB in a system that appreciates what he brings to the table.




Actually, that might be kind of short sighted thinking. Would have to go back and double check, but there was a thread about short yardage stats and it seemed that there were cases where the Pats had noticeable room for improvement.





Just so you aren't mistaken as to my position, Brady is a much better QB than Tebow is now or could hope to be in a couple of years.






Just for kicks, can you show me where I even came remotely close to saying, suggesting or implying that Tebow should start ?

All I've done is to defend him against people who are basically saying that he isn't a QB.

I can accept that you want him to make the roster, maybe I misinterpreted your desires as you wanting him to start. I'm all for him hanging out in the background for 2013 and then taking over as the backup in 2014 so we could trade Mallett to recoup some draft value.

But for the record Brady is the best QB sneaker in the league far in away.
 
Vince Young stats almost gave me an anxiety attack.

I do have to say though this site is addicting. I signed up a few days ago and I think my wife is getting ready to divorce me already

Yeah that was terrible. I remember he was hitting deep pass after deep pass. Hard to watch.

LOL, it is! Lively board and lots of good football discussion here.
 
Brady is probably the best quarterback sneaker in the history of the NFL.

I can accept that you want him to make the roster, maybe I misinterpreted your desires as you wanting him to start. I'm all for him hanging out in the background for 2013 and then taking over as the backup in 2014 so we could trade Mallett to recoup some draft value.

But for the record Brady is the best QB sneaker in the league far in away.
 
Brady is probably the best quarterback sneaker in the history of the NFL.

Loved what he did @ Pitt a few years ago...Sneak for 6, spike and glare at the Steeler fans...hahaha
 
Here's the stats from the game Tebow had versus the Patriots ...the one you refuse to reference..and of course , the one that bludgeons your pinhead into a puddle of sludge flowing back down the into the troll sewer.


Denver
PASS:
RUSH:
REC:

Tebow 9-26, 136 yds, 0 tds
McGahee 17 car, 76 yds, 1 td
Thomas 6 rec, 93 yds, 0 tds

N
E

PASS:
RUSH:
REC:

Brady 26-34, 363 yds, 6 tds
Hernandez 5 car, 61 yds, 0 tds
Gronkowski 10 rec, 145 yds, 3 td


Tebow found Thomas six times for over 2/3's of his unbelievably pathetic 136 yards. I was THERE in section 118. I witnessed that beatdown as did EVERY SINGLE FAN HERE. Tebow was bloodied, bullied,beaten and buried. He was NEVER any kind of effective factor whatsoever.The measly offense he did muster came off broken plays where he was forced to scramble and as any semi-sentient human can see, he almost always targeted Thomas.

Now, you have been under our scrutiny here from the 3000 + posts you inundated J.I. with last season. YOU are a troll. YOU have a clear agenda that has as its' central focus a nonstop barrage of Tebow propaganda. Stop polluting OUR Patriots fan board with YOUR trolling. You are NOT a Patriot fan, you have openly backed our mortal enemy and you are NOT wanted here.


Since you want to throw names around Sunshine, I'm more than happy to oblige you and respond according.



First, your claim that I refuse to reference the playoff game against the Pats. Ummm, hello ? Kind of funny seeing as how I've already talked about that game here in this very thread. Did you miss it ? Or are you lying about it ?

And Oh, my, he "targeted" Thomas most of all ? Gee, really. Wonder why he didn't target the other one of his two primary receivers, one Eric Decker. Oh yeah, Decker was injured and not even in the game. Imagine that. Young QB in a playoff game trying to get the ball to the one remaining receiver that he actually has some chemistry with. Who would have thunk it ??


Yes, Tebow was bloodied, beate and buried by the Pats defense. It started right from the outset when the Pats D line made it back into the pocket before Tebow even got there. Do you remember Ninko spending more time in Denver's backfield than their RBs ? Do you remember Wilfolk collapsing the center of the line ? Do you remember how often it seemed like a Pat defender was on Tebow before the shotgun snap even got there ?

Did Tebow have a great game ? Nope. He didn't. But there was plenty of crap that went wrong offensively, and it starts with Mike McCoy and his inability to counteract what Belichick had dialed up.

As I mentioned before, no constraint plays against a 5 man front. Don't recall him switching from straight Zone Read to Midline Read. Don't recall Denver going to spread formations with 4 and 5 receivers to force the Pats into coverage. Don't recall

I could be wrong, but I remember 1 and 2 TE sets with straight zone read with McGahee coupled with traditional single and two back sets.


As for your statement that I'm not wanted here, kind of ironic that I just finished reading something that is directly on point here.

"Now I'm going to teach you a hard, but very important lesson. You see, I don't care you how feel. I really don't. More importantly, neither does anyone else. Only about 200 people on a planet of 7 billion actually care about your feelings, and that's if you're lucky. The sooner you grasp this lesson, the better off you will be. And since almost no one gives a damn what you do, say, think, or feel, ", you can take your "you aren't wanted here" and blow it out your rear end.

I was very up front when I started at JI. I said that I was a Tebow fan, and since Tebow was a Jet, I was a fan of the Jets. That the longer Tebow remained a Jet, the deeper my ties to the team would be.

I make no apologies about that and make no apologies for myself now. Tebow is here and a member of the Pats, therefore, I will cheer for and be a fan of the Pats.

You don't have to like it. Frankly, I really don't care. I'm definitely not going to lose any sleep over opinion.

Got that cupcake ?
 
That garbage about the Pats even having a decent defense was thrown around here by unapologetic homers all throughout the season and the logic behind it was taken apart time and time again. Their pass defense was awful and if it wasn't for Green Bay being even worse on that side of the ball, they would have been the worst in the league against the pass by a mile. The game plan was a good one because it forced Tebow to do something he just isn't good at: being a pocket passer and going through his progressions. I've watched the kid since he was in high school (I'm from north Florida) and he simply isn't a pocket passer.

Saban put the book out on him in the 2009 SEC Championship game. Belichick read it and wrote a Pulitzer prize-winning bestseller sequel.


Call me strange, but I side with Belichick on this one:

Coach [Bill] Belichick always used to say, 'I don't give a s--- about our defense giving up yards; all I care about is scoring defense, turnovers and the red zone,'" Woody said. "That's really the key to football. A lot of coaches pound their chest and say, 'I've got the No. 1 defense.' Those numbers don't mean anything."

And I don't disagree with your sentiment about him not being a pocket passer. That definitely isn't his game and is something that he needs to develop.


As for the book on Tebow, that chapter was written my Monty Kiffin at Tennessee.
 
The question for us is not how a Denver coached Tebow did against the patriots two years ago. The question is how a patriot-coached Tebow would do against the league 2-3 years later.
mgtteich. Maybe the best comment I've read on the PatsFans board. I completely agree with you. Clearly, Tebow played under a conservative, defensive minded coach in John Fox and two idiots in Ryan & Sparano with the Jets. I also see the mechanical strides Tebow made this spring/summer with Giles in AZ and the opportunity to learn under BB & JM as being a tremendous opportunity for Tebow and the Pats.
Whether Tebow is the right guy for the #2 QB slot this year and/or next is really to be determined.
 
This team does not need short yardage help and any thought that Brady is coming off the field for Tebow for any reason is just a pipe dream.

Just so you know, Brady has not missed on a 3rd or 4th and 1 in eight years.

Talk to Ian about the stats. This is from his article:


After doing some digging through our Stats Database, I looked at the numbers when Tom Brady and the offense were in situations where they faced less three yards or less, and the results were fairly interesting.

Tom Brady was surprisingly just 29-of-52 for 335 yards (56%), although every completion was a first down including 9 touchdowns (the NFL scorekeepers consider a touchdown a first down). However, when running the ball the Patriots were fairly effective, converting 73 first downs including 19 touchdowns, giving them a 65% conversion rate running the ball.


Kind of seemed like the tone of the discussion in that thread was that there was room for improvement. Maybe I misunderstood ?
 
Kind of seemed like the tone of the discussion in that thread was that there was room for improvement. Maybe I misunderstood ?

Blount could certainly help in that situation. 247lb power RB. Have him run behind a 345lb Marcus Cannon lined up at RG. Could really improve in 2013.
 
Talk to Ian about the stats. This is from his article:

Kind of seemed like the tone of the discussion in that thread was that there was room for improvement. Maybe I misunderstood ?

sb1 is talking about Brady's QB sneaks, Ian's article is talking about Brady's passing.
 
I can accept that you want him to make the roster, maybe I misinterpreted your desires as you wanting him to start. I'm all for him hanging out in the background for 2013 and then taking over as the backup in 2014 so we could trade Mallett to recoup some draft value.

But for the record Brady is the best QB sneaker in the league far in away.


Well, I want him to start at some point, but that's years down the road.

After his time with Denver, Tebow really needed to be one of two places. Either as a starter with a team who believed in him and would allow him the growing pains of developing as a QB (like Gabbert, Ponder, Cam and many others have been afforded), OR, to a team (like the Pats) with a well established QB where he could take a backseat, learn and develop.

IF he makes the roster and doesn't see the field for a while, I'll miss watching him play, but will be ok with it. That said, if he backs up Brady but Josh finds a way to get him involved now and then ? Yeah, I'd like that.
 
Loved what he did @ Pitt a few years ago...Sneak for 6, spike and glare at the Steeler fans...hahaha

Meh, I'm still cringing over the spike against Denver. Had some serious amounts of attitude behind it.
 
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