PATRIOTS NEWS Explosive New Hernandez Details

[Concerned_Citizen]

No. What multiple media outlets have done is regurgitate what was reported by ABCNews. And ABCNews did not report that the phone was smashed. They reported that it was in pieces. And there is a difference. You can call me naive all you want, but the reality is that I gave you a perfect example of the difference and you have chose to be ignorant about it.

So the phone wasn't smashed, but it was just in pieces?

So he just carefully disassembled the phone and handed it over just to be a pain in the ass?

Not sure I follow your point on this one....

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah, but that's the way vets talk to rookies. Hernandez should know that. No one is going to treat a fourth-round rookie tight end like royalty in his first week on the job.

I agree about that with Seattle. I'm just pointing out how it would have been better for him as a person to be as far removed from his friends as possible. He should be mature and professional enough that it shouldn't matter, but obviously he wasn't.

AH ran with a bad crowd in CT, Gainsville and MA. What makes you think he wouldn't find a band of unsavory types in Seattle?

There is a saying..Trouble always finds trouble.

 

[ravensgamer]

And now the Globe is reporting once again, that rumors of Hernandez's imminent arrest are wrong: apparently NO warrant has been issued. . . .

That will disappoint the people here who've already convicted him and sentenced him to the electric bench.

 

[Ring 6]

Actually, it has been reported by multiple media outlets that he "intentionally destroyed" both his camera equipment and his phone, we aren't "making a jump" at all, you are just being naive IMO




Anyone can feel differently, it is their right, but I as a season ticket holder have my own thought process and if he is guilty of anything to do with this young mans death, he should not play in the NFL again. Its just my opinion and I don't think I am wrong for having it.

I did not say you were, I said everyone has a right to their own opinion and none of them are wrong.

Also, keep in mind, I am only going off of what is currently being reported, most of which may be lies, or at least exaggerations of the truth. He potentially could have had nothing to do with anything bad at all, and like I said in another thread, we don't know if he was the one who destroyed his camera equipment and cell phone, for all we know, it could have been one of his buddies, but the fact is that we don't know what we don't know so I am simply taking things at face value at this point

That is why i am saying wait for the facts.
He was already convicted by many on this board when a warrant was supposedly issued, but now it appears that was erroneous.

Face value right now makes him look guilty as sin of covering up a murder...which IMO should get him banned from the NFL for life.

Again we don't know the facts. I would not have a huge issue, for example, if he was there, not involved, and panicked out of fear of being accussed. Ive never witnessed a murder, but if I had at 23 years old, I'd call you an idiot if you expected me to act rationally thereafter.

Also, Goodel wasn't in charge when the Ray Lewis thing went down, it was Tagliabue(sp?) I think, and he wasn't an enforcer like RG is...I expect that no matter what happens, AHern is suspended for at least the season and fined heavily...

Can't know that until we know what happened.
The problem is that all Goddell cares about is PR so the heavy news coverage probably gets Hernandez more that he would otherwise get from Goddell.

 

[Kontradiction]

WTF. No warrant now.

That's why you can't hop aboard one report and draw conclusions based off of it. I studied journalism before going back to school. Right now, I could literally call the Globe and tell them that a police source informed me that Hernandez is currently under investigation for another murder, and they would print that until the report was refuted by someone involved with the investigation. This is a high profile case so all the media outlets are scrambling to try to get the scoop over one another.

The other "report" you posted neglected to mention that Hernandez was renting a house in California to practice with Brady before this all went down.

 

[Ring 6]

Does anyone know if they have something in the contract that allows
the PATS to get out of it? I mean if he has to do jail time can they
get out of the contract?

They can cut him at any time.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Again, its all speculation.
Lets say, however, that he was at the scene and not involved in the murder.
Are you telling me that a 23 year old who witnesses a murder, fears he could be blamed, and attempts to cover up that he was there is an evil person?
I get that the honorable thing to do is to go to the police and turn in the person who committed the murder (we also don't know those facts) but I think it is naive to assume a 23 year old with that much to lose wouldn't panic and to do so makes him scum.

Yes, that's what I am saying. But you are moving the target. I am not saying he should have voluntarily gone to the police. I am saying that a person who destroys physical evidence of a murder is a bad person, deserves significant jail time, and is not domeone I want on my favorite team, no matter what his talent or age or naive level. It is a very bad crime. It thwarts justice and deprives loved ones of the victim a potential shot at closure. If he had really been a non participant and did nothing fine. But to take the affirmative step of destroying physical evidence about a murder? Screw him. Bad person. I don't think this is a hard call and seems something all reasonable citizens should agree on.

 

[BadMoFo]

This is the exact reason why we all need to wait before we make judgements and jump to conclusions. This has been happening non stop throughout the case so far.

Who knows what is true, obviously these reporters are using different sources in the police departments, some who may be actually working on the case and others who are not. In some states, arrest warrants are public information. I would think you could just check the magistrate who signed off on one, instead of going to police.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

WTF. No warrant now.

Sorry to break your heart on that one.

 

[zoostation]

WTF. No warrant now.

This is a classic example of why you need to calm down. The media have NO clue and the stories are all over the map.

 

[BadMoFo]

Who knows what is true, obviously these reporters are using different sources in the police departments, some who may be actually working on the case and others who are not. In some states, arrest warrants are public information. I would think you could just check the magistrate who signed off on one, instead of going to police.

Jessica Reyes ?@jessicamreyes 38m

Clerk magistrate at Attleboro Dist Court says no arrest warrant for #hernandez issued from this court that he's aware of #fox25

 

[Ring 6]

There is an arrest warrant out now for obstruction of justice in a murder trial. That is not a conclusion but a fact. If he is found innocent then he can take up football again after this is resolved. If he did just this, I never want to see him again.

Actually it is not a fact, it is an incorrect rumor.
You just made a post based on an incorrect rumor in response to my saying why rush to judgment.

 

[DaBruinz]

So the phone wasn't smashed, but it was just in pieces?

So he just carefully disassembled the phone and handed it over just to be a pain in the ass?

Not sure I follow your point on this one....

Point is that with so many reports being WRONG (as is the case with the arrest warrant it would seem) that we don't really know what the condition of the phone was when his lawyer handed it to the police. It could have been smashed or it could have just been disassembled. BTW, Disassembling it and running a magnet over the Sim Card and Memory Card would make them unreadable. But also would be destroying possible evidence.

Also, everyone seems to have glossed over the fact that Lloyd's GF disappeared for 3+ days until the police found her (somewhere) on Wednesday. Kinda strange for her to go missing like that.

For all we know, she was with Lloyd when he was killed. Yet, we've only been hearing about Hernandez because of these reports from "sources".

 

[BSR]

Jessica Reyes ?@jessicamreyes 38m

Clerk magistrate at Attleboro Dist Court says no arrest warrant for #hernandez issued from this court that he's aware of #fox25

Are you kidding me? These are people's lives and livelihood's we are talking about here and the friggin media can't get their story straight! Screw them...this is a joke. I am not believing a single thing they write anymore. At this point I may just believe AH is free and clear again.

 

[jb1095]

He will be arrested before midnight...to many sources are saying there is a warrant, only one is reporting there isn't...

he is definitely guilty of something, we just don't know what yet...

where there is smoke there is fire...just because some magistrate doesn't know about a warrant doesn't mean there isn't one now, or at least in the works.

 

[Concerned_Citizen]

Point is that with so many reports being WRONG (as is the case with the arrest warrant it would seem) that we don't really know what the condition of the phone was when his lawyer handed it to the police. It could have been smashed or it could have just been disassembled. BTW, Disassembling it and running a magnet over the Sim Card and Memory Card would make them unreadable. But also would be destroying possible evidence.

Also, everyone seems to have glossed over the fact that Lloyd's GF disappeared for 3+ days until the police found her (somewhere) on Wednesday. Kinda strange for her to go missing like that.

For all we know, she was with Lloyd when he was killed. Yet, we've only been hearing about Hernandez because of these reports from "sources".

Well, of course the media is going to focus on Hernandez, because he's very high profile. Not sure what is up with the girl disappearing. I think at worst, Hernandez was covering for her, but it is hard to ignore the bizarre behavior of Hernandez. Destroyed surveillance and smashed... errr... phones in pieces, and that run to Gillette stadium for no apparent reason. SOMETHING stinks here with Hernandez, and I don't think it is ALL false reports.

I get that people are holding out hope that this is all some funny mixup, and the media is just blowing the entire thing out of proportion.

 

[juny]

i miss the offseasons where gronk in a picture with an "actress" was the big deal

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, that's what I am saying. But you are moving the target. I am not saying he should have voluntarily gone to the police. I am saying that a person who destroys physical evidence of a murder is a bad person, deserves significant jail time, and is not domeone I want on my favorite team, no matter what his talent or age or naive level. It is a very bad crime. It thwarts justice and deprives loved ones of the victim a potential shot at closure. If he had really been a non participant and did nothing fine. But to take the affirmative step of destroying physical evidence about a murder? Screw him. Bad person. I don't think this is a hard call and seems something all reasonable citizens should agree on.

We will have to disagree here. I have never witnessed a murder, but if i did at 23 years old, I would not expect that I would react rationally, and if I did not would not consider myself a bad person.
You don't really know what he destroyed. It could have been an attempt to hide that he was there, which is not really evidence in a crime. We just don't know.

Regarding moving the target, I do not understand how you can say you wouldn't expect him to go to the police, but think that covering up is horrendous.
If your argument is that he owes it to the victims family to not destroy evidence (which Im not necessarily disageeing with) is has to be just as wrong to not report the crime.
The only reason to draw a distinction is that reporting it could make him a suspect, and it is a reasonable possiblility that this was exactly why he destroyed whatever he did.

If Hernandez is brought in and tells them everything he knows and states that he broke the security system and phone because after witnessing his friends murder, he was in shock and afraid it would look like he did it, and then cooperates completely, is he still a bad person?

People are trying to judge him without knowing the facts.
There will be plenty of time to judge him when we know them

 

[JMC00]

He will be arrested before midnight...to many sources are saying there is a warrant, only one is reporting there isn't...

he is definitely guilty of something, we just don't know what yet...

where there is smoke there is fire...just because some magistrate doesn't know about a warrant doesn't mean there isn't one now, or at least in the works.

So a magistrate clerk doesn't know about a warrant, yet news reporters do?

You do realize news reporters at one point had pinned the Boston bombings on a high school kid, right?

 

[ausbacker]

He will be arrested before midnight...to many sources are saying there is a warrant, only one is reporting there isn't...

he is definitely guilty of something, we just don't know what yet...

where there is smoke there is fire...just because some magistrate doesn't know about a warrant doesn't mean there isn't one now, or at least in the works.

jb1095 your posting style is eerily similar to that of Yehoodi.