Likely Receiving core: What do you think?

[Deus Irae]

Deus, here are my initial posts on the matter, including the relevant posts my responses were citing...Which you claim has me changing my point which I clearly have not done.

I quoted your posts. You clearly changed your point. As I've said repeatedly, and demonstrated multiple times, you made a claim that was obviously wrong. When you got called on it, you doubled down and eventually went to a level of silliness that could have been avoided just by either admitting your error or letting the matter drop. I quoted GMs pointing out that they do precisely what you claim they don't, and can't, do.

The first rule of holes.... it's that simple.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I quoted your posts. You clearly changed your point. As I've said repeatedly, and demonstrated multiple times, you made a claim that was obviously wrong. When you got called on it, you doubled down and eventually went to a level of silliness that could have been avoided just by either admitting your error or letting the matter drop. I quoted GMs pointing out that they do precisely what you claim they don't, and can't, do.

The first rule of holes.... it's that simple.

You didn't quote the full context of the posts though. I did.

No what is clear is you have a reading comprehension problem. Either that or you simply like to argue when you are shown to be wrong. Or, both maybe?

 

[Deus Irae]

You didn't quote the full context of the posts though. I did.

No what is clear is you have a reading comprehension problem. Either that or you simply like to argue when you are shown to be wrong. Or, both maybe?

Bob, I quoted your posts. I quoted GMs. You're just wrong. It's a simple thing, and it's not about my reading comprehension. Perhaps you're incapable of getting thoughts across without butchering the attempt so badly that you actually write in such a way that "can't" is identical to "actually and deliberately do". If so, that's an issue for your former teachers to weep over, but it's not the fault of myself or the others who noted the same thing that I did.

The reality is that teams can, do, and must "plan for injury contingencies in this league". Arguing the sufficiency of the Patriots contingencies in recent years is one thing, and it's one you'd have a lot of support for (I'd be with you, as it applied to the WR, CB and S positions, for example). Arguing that no contingencies existed, and that none can exist, is a completely different thing entirely, and is clearly incorrect.

 

[JPPT1974]

Now with Gronk likely to miss the begining of the 2013 season, raises questions on if they will hire a veteran TE just to be a temporary replacement until he gets back in the grveof things.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Bob, I quoted your posts. I quoted GMs. You're just wrong. It's a simple thing, and it's not about my reading comprehension. Perhaps you're incapable of getting thoughts across without butchering the attempt so badly that you actually write in such a way that "can't" is identical to "actually and deliberately do". If so, that's an issue for your former teachers to weep over, but it's not the fault of myself or the others who noted the same thing that I did.

The reality is that teams can, do, and must "plan for injury contingencies in this league". Arguing the sufficiency of the Patriots contingencies in recent years is one thing, and it's one you'd have a lot of support for (I'd be with you, as it applied to the WR, CB and S positions, for example). Arguing that no contingencies existed, and that none can exist, is a completely different thing entirely, and is clearly incorrect.

OK, I am a chiropractor who excelled in maths and sciences and not Enlgish so pardon me if my writing and comprehensions skills are not up to snuff.

Frankly, My disagreement with you is not about our differences in what you and I believe wrt whether or not teams make contingency plans for injuries (you have your belief and I have mine).

My issue is that you say I have changed my argument which, I clearly have not done.

 

[ATippett56]

Well, with Edelman resigning and Sanders looking like he'll be coming too, in addition to the other free-agent signings what do you think about the likely receiving core and TE core?

Wide Receivers:

Danny Amendola
Julian Edelman
Emmanuel Sanders - not a foregone conclusion
Donald Jones - an upgrade to Brandon Lloyd?
Kamar Aiken - training camp fodder
Jeremy Ebert - training camp fodder
Andre Holmes - training camp fodder
Michael Jenkins - training camp fodder

I'm not impressed whatsoever with Donald Jones or Michael Jenkins.

If the New England Patriots could not beat the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC Championship Game with Wes Welker and Brandon Lloyd at the wide receiver position, the current group of wide receivers is even worse.

 

[Deus Irae]

OK, I am a chiropractor who excelled in maths and sciences and not Enlgish so pardon me if my writing and comprehensions skills are not up to snuff.

Frankly, My disagreement with you is not about our differences in what you and I believe wrt whether or not teams make contingency plans for injuries (you have your belief and I have mine).

My issue is that you say I have changed my argument which, I clearly have not done.

Read your posts. You have clearly changed your argument, if we go by what you've written on the topic, and not by what you [highlight]say[/highlight] you've written on the topic. Now, whether that was the intent or not is something only you can honestly say.

The bottom line, Bob, is that teams can, do and must make contingency plans for injuries, and your "belief" has nothing to do with it. You can insist that it's not true all you want, but that's what backups are for, that's what teams and GMs explicitly say they do, and that's what their actions demonstrate they are doing.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Read your posts. You have clearly changed your argument, if we go by what you've written on the topic, and not by what you [highlight]say[/highlight] you've written on the topic. Now, whether that was the intent or not is something only you can honestly say.

OK, I'm looking over my post #240 and if my point in response to Kontradiction's post #146 is different than my last one well then I need to stop reading medical journals and get more into reading English lit stuff.

 

[Kontradiction]

OK, I'm looking over my post #240 and if my point in response to Kontradiction's post #146 is different than my last one well then I need to stop reading medical journals and get more into reading English lit stuff.

"Getting into English lit stuff" isn't necessary. Realizing that teams hold a draft, go into FA, and build up depth primarily for injuries on the team, however, is necessary. We need a WR regardless of which route you want to take on the matter. Having one as a contingency plan to guard against the same injuries that have haunted the team the past two years, and most recently in the red zone of the biggest game of the season, is just icing on the cake.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

G'morning Kontra. I dunno wat's poppin' down Florida way, but it's raining hard in The Big Apple. Wat's that mean?
Means ima be stuck indoors. Yeppers, so ima all set ta be entertained & enlightened taday with the continuation of yours & yer pals' thread.
I hopa all tha heavy hitters all come back ta get inside the melee pile. tehee. Sumtimes it looks like a cartoonish big cloud of dust with hands & feet stickin' out as it moves in accordance to the fracas' directional momentum! rotf!

Oh, u guyz kill me. i understand the passion attached to this wonderful feetbawl team of ours. u wear it well fellas. mad props & kudos frum me. Now Kontra, bring your A Game and school tha peeps sumpthin' fierce. yer a little more better than wat the others bring to tha table. (ima 'fraid a' Deuce. he's a well oiled machine with his meticulous "quote & reply" abilities. ima not gettin' anywhere near him in a discussion. ima 'fraid a' him. Oh, ima jus' hide over in Kontra's corner and send him inta tha ring and watch as the leather & sweat flies.
u guyz are sumpthin' else alrite.

 

[cstjohn17]

Wide Receivers:

Danny Amendola
Julian Edelman
Emmanuel Sanders - not a foregone conclusion
Donald Jones - an upgrade to Brandon Lloyd?
Kamar Aiken - training camp fodder
Jeremy Ebert - training camp fodder
Andre Holmes - training camp fodder
Michael Jenkins - training camp fodder

I'm not impressed whatsoever with Donald Jones or Michael Jenkins.

If the New England Patriots could not beat the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC Championship Game with Wes Welker and Brandon Lloyd at the wide receiver position, the current group of wide receivers is even worse.

The WR group with Sanders will work because the Patriots have an excellent QB, very good offensive system, elite TEs and a decent running game. This group is likely below average for talent when compared to other NFL rosters but is fine for the type of roster the Patriots are trying to develop (balanced with good depth).

 

[chasa]

I'm excited.

There are some injury questions yes, but you look at these players and the productions they had with C class QB's throwing to them, and i cant feel anything but optimisim with them now that brady is chucking the ball.

I dont think we will have anyone have a welkeresque 120 catch season, but i would not be surprised to see 3 guys with 70-80 catches, and a couple of thousand yard receivers on top of whatever gronk is able to do.

 

[Brady6]

Are you related to Jones? You expect him to start and have at least 50 catches and 700 yards, and would be shocked if this didn't happen?

1) He has never done this ever in his career.

2) He has a long-term injury and has missed half the games over the past 2 years.

3) The team that drafted didn't even think him worth a minimum tender.

4) The patriots brought him as competition since he cost exactly zero, no bonus whatsoever. Perhaps he had better offers that he rejected; that seems unlikely. Belichick took a no-cost flyer on Jones, pure and simple.

5) BTW, I would hope for more from my #2 receiver than 50 catches for 700 yards. That was not considered enough for last year's #2. But perhaps you do not expect our starting flanker to be our #2 WR.

My hope and expectation is that Jones replaces Branch. However, I would not be surprised if Jones doesn't make the 53 man roster.

Not related but I know that he wasn't drafted so a tender really meant nothing I also know he had 41 catches for 443 in 12 games which projects out to 55 catches and 590 yards which isn't to far off what I am saying he can do here.

I suggest you guys just give the kid a shot because I believe he will surprise a lot of you.

 

[Brady6]

He may be a great guy and a great worker. But if he's a great talent, it hasn't shown yet. And it's not like he had a whole lot of competition to share balls with in Buffalo.

Look at his production in 12 games that had a QB who only threw for 3430 yards in run heavy offense and it wasn't so bad.

 

[50-yard-line]

The WR group with Sanders will work because the Patriots have an excellent QB, very good offensive system, elite TEs and a decent running game. This group is likely below average for talent when compared to other NFL rosters but is fine for the type of roster the Patriots are trying to develop (balanced with good depth).

Nice analysis.

I do think that either Sanders or Amendola would start on pretty much any team, by the way, but both would not start on many.

 

[ATippett56]

The WR group with Sanders will work because the Patriots have an excellent QB, very good offensive system, elite TEs and a decent running game. This group is likely below average for talent when compared to other NFL rosters but is fine for the type of roster the Patriots are trying to develop (balanced with good depth).

Please peddle your snake oil somewhere else.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Way too early to say for sure. Sanders isn't a Patriot yet and the draft is still a couple of weeks away. Whether Sanders becomes a Patriot or not I hope they take a WR in the first 2 rounds of the Draft. Even if they don't i would expect a bunch more of the Stallworth type signings before the season starts and like last year they will cut about 6-7 of them, with some surprises in the mix. I also think that Edelman still has a good deal to prove before he can be considered a full time WR, hopefully he breaks out this season for 50-60 REC at 11-13 YPC. Basically he needs to match his career totals this season to show he has made the transition to full time WR. That said they are definitely building flexibility and versatility into this WR corps, especially if sanders ends up on the roster, as it will give them 3 guys w3ho can play the slot full time if needed (Amendola, Edelman, Sanders) and all 3 have some use outside the hashes as well.

Ultimately i would like to see the following by the start of the season:

Amendola

Sanders

Draft Pick (K. Allen, D. Hopkins, R. Woods, M. Wheaton, J. Hunter..........) I'm not that picky I just want a WR prospect.

Jones

Edelman

Slater (I agree with those who think they will go 5 WR and Slater, he's not going anywhere) Jenkins will have to beat out Jones to gain a spot.

 

[cstjohn17]

Please peddle your snake oil somewhere else.

Good one Andre!

What is your take? I said the WR group (with Sanders) is below average talent wise but that range could easily extend to average, not much lower.

 

[ATippett56]

Good one Andre!

What is your take? I said the WR group (with Sanders) is below average talent wise but that range could easily extend to average, not much lower.

I'd rather keep the third round draft pick and start to rebuild the wide receiver depth via the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

[Nunchucks]

I'd rather keep the third round draft pick and start to rebuild the wide receiver depth via the 2013 NFL Draft.

So, the starting WRs on the Patriots in your view would be Amendola and??? certainly not a rookie.