Likely Receiving core: What do you think?

[PatsFanStnfrd]

BB is in the process of "making up" a dynamic roster of wideouts for 2013. But other than Amendola and Gronk+Hernandez, most are on 1 year contract. That is worrisome.

Even more worrisome is we don't seem able to draft and develop WRs like Torey Smith or sign Jenkins when he was dumped by Houston. The ravens are very good at it. The Pats are not.

I was hoping/am still hoping they draft some tall, speedy receivers in this draft. Also, hoping they did not give away 4 years of a3rd round draft pick at reasonable pay for 1 year of Sanders -- if they are not willing to extend him at Amendola type salaries. They could have picked by Darius Heyward-Bey at a reasonable price -- but did not.

For some reason, BB seems to like burning up his draft choices on veterans rather than free agents. But at least, both in the case of Talib and Sanders he seems to be investing in YOUNGER talent w/ years of productivity. Unfortunately, neither of them are signed to a multi-year contract.

 

[Kontradiction]

What if BB believes that he doesn't need much of an outside threat at wideout in this TE/inside focused offense?

Or, what if BB believe that Sanders, should he be acquired, or even Amendola, can fulfill that outside role when called upon?

If he believes that then he should yield total control of the offense over to McDaniels, including draft selections. The inability of this offense to make the opposing defense have to account for every level of the field has led to every playoff exit without a Lombardi by this team since 2010.

 

[Deus Irae]

BB is in the process of "making up" a dynamic roster of wideouts for 2013.

If Sanders doesn't end up in NE, the Patriots will have one starting level WR who can't stay healthy (Amendola) and a bunch of WRs who are either backups or cut level players. I'm not sure that "dynamic" is the appropriate word choice for that.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

If he believes that then he should yield total control of the offense over to McDaniels, including draft selections. The inability of this offense to make the opposing defense have to account for every level of the field has led to every playoff exit without a Lombardi by this team since 2010.

An equally compelling argument could also be made that, had injuries not happened to key players on offense, then the Pats may well have won another Lombardi without having made the opposing defense "account for every level of the field"

 

[mgteich]

The Sanders signing only makes sense if we sign him to a long-term contract.

 

[Kontradiction]

An equally compelling argument could also be made that, had injuries not happened to key players on offense, then the Pats may well have won another Lombardi without having made the opposing defense "account for every level of the field"

The Giants, Ravens, and Jets all beat the Patriots with Gronk. A bigger bodied, athletic receiver mitigates any loss of a TE on offense and makes them that much more dangerous when they're all healthy.

 

[belichick010405]

Not to state the obvious - but are you guys still complaining about this teams' wide receiving corp, even after yesterday?

I will be blunt. THE PATS ARE NOT DRAFTING ANY WIDE RECEIVERS as long as Sanders is in New England. And I am one that has advocated for the Pats to take a long look at Ryan Swope, Hopkins, Woods and Patton.

I don't agree with Tony at any point about anything but I will back him up on this one if Sanders does indeed end up in New England.

With Sanders - they will have the following: Hernandez, Gronkowski, Ballard, Hoomanawanui/Fells, Amendola, Edelman, Sanders, Jones, and Jenkins not to mention that it has already been indicated in the media that we are going to see a lot more of Vereen this year and that will certainly include in the passing game.

BTW - since I am sure that many of you didn't watch a lick of Rams games.

Amendola has played both on the outside and in the slot.

Have a good day Armchair GMs.

 

[belichick010405]

If Sanders doesn't end up in NE, the Patriots will have one starting level WR who can't stay healthy (Amendola) and a bunch of WRs who are either backups or cut level players. I'm not sure that "dynamic" is the appropriate word choice for that.

Case in point.

 

[Mack Herron]

An equally compelling argument could also be made that, had injuries not happened to key players on offense, then the Pats may well have won another Lombardi without having made the opposing defense "account for every level of the field"

It is unrealistic to assume the health of key players and the Patriots strategy of flattening the salary distribution and building depth assumes that injuries are inevitable.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

The Giants, Ravens, and Jets all beat the Patriots with Gronk. A bigger bodied, athletic receiver mitigates any loss of a TE on offense and makes them that much more dangerous when they're all healthy.

I feel quite safe in saying that if Gronk was healthy in the SB the Pats would have hoisted another Lombardi.

 

[JackBauer]

Not to state the obvious - but are you guys still complaining about this teams' wide receiving corp, even after yesterday?

I will be blunt. THE PATS ARE NOT DRAFTING ANY WIDE RECEIVERS as long as Sanders is in New England. And I am one that has advocated for the Pats to take a long look at Ryan Swope, Hopkins, Woods and Patton.

I don't agree with Tony at any point about anything but I will back him up on this one if Sanders does indeed end up in New England.

With Sanders - they will have the following: Hernandez, Gronkowski, Ballard, Hoomanawanui/Fells, Amendola, Edelman, Sanders, Jones, and Jenkins not to mention that it has already been indicated in the media that we are going to see a lot more of Vereen this year and that will certainly include in the passing game.

BTW - since I am sure that many of you didn't watch a lick of Rams games.

Amendola has played both on the outside and in the slot.

Have a good day Armchair GMs.

So your point is, because the Patriots will have numbers at these positions, that they won't possibly add another.

Let me be equally blunt: I think you are confusing quality with quantity. I suspect BB won't make that mistake.

 

[belichick010405]

Ok - let me be blunt as well. If you think that the Patriots Brain Trust don't factor both then you are clearly confused and that certainly includes who they have signed.

So your point is, because the Patriots will have numbers at these positions, that they won't possibly add another.

Let me be equally blunt: I think you are confusing quality with quantity. I suspect BB won't make that mistake.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not to state the obvious - but are you guys still complaining about this teams' wide receiving corp, even after yesterday?

I will be blunt. THE PATS ARE NOT DRAFTING ANY WIDE RECEIVERS as long as Sanders is in New England. And I am one that has advocated for the Pats to take a long look at Ryan Swope, Hopkins, Woods and Patton.

I don't agree with Tony at any point about anything but I will back him up on this one if Sanders does indeed end up in New England.

With Sanders - they will have the following: Hernandez, Gronkowski, Ballard, Hoomanawanui/Fells, Amendola, Edelman, Sanders, Jones, and Jenkins not to mention that it has already been indicated in the media that we are going to see a lot more of Vereen this year and that will certainly include in the passing game.

BTW - since I am sure that many of you didn't watch a lick of Rams games.

Amendola has played both on the outside and in the slot.

Have a good day Armchair GMs.

Case in point.

I'm not sure you have any idea of what the hell you're talking about. Reading the following post:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/1019579-likely-receiving-core-what-do-you-think-page2.html#post3422780

might help you a bit, though, so give it a try.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

It is unrealistic to assume the health of key players and the Patriots strategy of flattening the salary distribution and building depth assumes that injuries are inevitable.

Perhaps so but let's look at the alternative ...... drafting an outside wideout instead.

Given this teams poor record of drafting and developing rookie wideout ..... it is also unrealistic to assume that any WR they draft come April will end up performing capably in this offense.

 

[JackBauer]

Ok - let me be blunt as well. If you think that the Patriots Brain Trust don't factor both then you are clearly confused and that certainly includes who they have signed.

Yeah, no kidding? Which makes it even more likely that they'll draft a WR.

 

[Kontradiction]

Not to state the obvious - but are you guys still complaining about this teams' wide receiving corp, even after yesterday?

I will be blunt. THE PATS ARE NOT DRAFTING ANY WIDE RECEIVERS as long as Sanders is in New England. And I am one that has advocated for the Pats to take a long look at Ryan Swope, Hopkins, Woods and Patton.

I don't agree with Tony at any point about anything but I will back him up on this one if Sanders does indeed end up in New England.

With Sanders - they will have the following: Hernandez, Gronkowski, Ballard, Hoomanawanui/Fells, Amendola, Edelman, Sanders, Jones, and Jenkins not to mention that it has already been indicated in the media that we are going to see a lot more of Vereen this year and that will certainly include in the passing game.

BTW - since I am sure that many of you didn't watch a lick of Rams games.

Amendola has played both on the outside and in the slot.

Have a good day Armchair GMs.

It's funny that you call the rest of us armchair GM's when you...

a) Assume Sanders will be here and Pittsburgh won't match.
b) Advocate that the Pats will not make another move for WR.

As for that group, five of them are TE's, two are injury prone slot WR's, a guy that's not even on the team yet, a guy that's done very little in the league despite being on a team with one starting caliber WR, and a guy that's going to be gone after TC. You'll excuse the rest of us if we'd like to see a WR drafted early.

 

[JackBauer]

Given this teams poor record of drafting and developing rookie wideout ..... it is also unrealistic to assume that any WR they draft come April will end up performing capably in this offense.

That's not a very compelling argument, given the sample and the fact that past performance != future performance.

 

[Kontradiction]

I feel quite safe in saying that if Gronk was healthy in the SB the Pats would have hoisted another Lombardi.

I've said that myself. But he wasn't. Injuries to contributors have cost this team at least one Super Bowl victory. That's why a contingency plan needs to be in place. For the Pats, the best one to have would be that type of WR because he forces the defense to account for every level of the field, taking some of the heat off the TE's and slot WR's. When one of those TE's is injured, that WR would still be able to provide a threat in the red area.

 

[belichick010405]

I'm looking forward to the draft and when the day goes by and each and every wide receiver that is in the board is not taken in lieu of another defensive position, I cannot wait to see the responses....

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

That's not a very compelling argument, given the sample and the fact that past performance != future performance.

It's compelling enough to those of us who feel more confident that we'll see improved health happening long before we'll see an improvement in successfully drafting an impact wideout.