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Pick One: a 27 year old Wes Welker, or a 27 year old Troy Brown

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Sure, it's all so clear.

Brown

14 seasons, 557 rec, 6366 yds, 31tds,


Welker ( Pats only)

6 seasons, 768 rec, 8580 yds, 38 tds.

Stats say Wes

I'll take Troy brown.

It's all about the bingo factor.
 
Let me say first that I'm a Welker fan,he was a great player for us,i'm sorry to see him go.In regard to Troy Brown,he didnt have the gaudy stats of Welker,but I remember several huge plays he made in big games,to nname a few..1.) The on-the ground catch against the Giants to get a crucial first down,2)the blocked punt return for a TD against the Steelers,3)the stripping of the ball after an interception by the Chargers to get the ball back,4)playing as a db when the pats were critically low on players due to injuries...Thats only some of the plays he made in big games,...always a team player,had it when it counted.So for me,its Troy Brown.
 
Here is the transcript of BB speaking at Troy Browns retirement press conference. Also Randy Moss said that he was the 2nd best receiver that came out of Marshall. Joking or not that shows you how much Moss respected Troy Brown.


STATEMENT FROM PATRIOTS COACH BILL BELICHICK:

It has truly been an honor and a privilege to coach Troy, primarily since I came back in 2000, but even my association with him in ’96 when I was here as the secondary coach. I think Troy, as I have talked about with our players, is the consummate professional. A great story, a guy that didn’t have a college scholarship and got the last scholarship at Marshall. As Robert mentioned, [he was] drafted in the eighth round and we now have seven-round drafts. I think that sums that up. When I was in Cleveland and I talked to Coach [Bill] Parcells, I think it was the year after, it was probably in ’94, he said, "We’ve got this kid from Marshall, a return guy, I don’t know if he is any good or not, but there are some things I kind of like about him.” Then, when I got here in ’96 and worked against Troy coaching the secondary. There were some good receivers on that team, but in all honesty, we had as much trouble covering Troy as we had covering any of those other guys. When Charlie [Weis] and I were at the Jets and then I ultimately came back in 2000, I remember Charlie and I had several conversations about this guy who’s really a good football player and he hasn’t had the opportunity; what we really thought he could do as a slot receiver and as a deceptive bigplay receiver, his versatility in the kicking game. Troy has gone on to have a tremendous career here with most catches in franchise history and 120 catches in that ’01 season, including the playoffs. I think back fondly of some of the great moments Troy had here, offensively. The pass from David Patten in the Indianapolis game was a huge play for us in a big game. The Super Bowl, the pass across the middle where he got out of bounds and we had no timeouts to stop the clock and set up the game-winning field goal.

Against Carolina in ’03, in the Super Bowl, he had three catches on that last touchdown, game-winning drive; which without that first-and-20, I don’t know where that drive ends up. He made a great catch over the middle from Tom [Brady]. The Snow Game, everybody talks about Adam’s [Vinatieri] kick and it was a hell of a kick. But without Troy’s punt return to set that up that put us in field position to at least get into field goal range, I don’t know if there ever is a kick. We got into the ’04 season and we had some injuries in the secondary. We used Troy at the inside position in our sub defense in a position we call the “Star”. I remember the first game we played; it was in St. Louis. That game was against, obviously, still a great offensive football team and he had a big day there, defensively, and broke up some passes. He really stepped in and played a big role in that game and, also, caught probably the easiest touchdown of his career - the sleeper pass down there from Vinatieri on the 4-yard line on the fake field goal. Then, of course, he had the interception against [Drew] Bledsoe and the interception in the Cincinnati game against Carson Palmer to kind of seal that win. He just made some plays for us on the defensive side of the ball, but the game that really stands out, to me, is the Green Bay game. We went up there in ’06. Eugene Wilson was out. Rodney Harrison was out and Asante [Samuel] was out. We said, ‘Well, we’re going to put Troy on Donald Driver.’ I remember some looks in there from the defensive coaches, and even the players. [Driver] had 93 catches and 1,300 yards. Driver was the leading receiver in the NFC. Troy held him to one catch for three yards. The only one that he caught, Troy wasn’t involved in that one, but he had one catch for three yards on him against Donald Driver. In our locker room, and in the hallways, and the meeting rooms and so forth, we have pictures up from different games and different players. [Holding up a picture of Brown] To me, that picture, and I want to give Troy these pictures from the team, that picture epitomizes Troy Brown. Up against the best receiver in the NFC, in a game that three of our key defensive backs were out, he steps up and does a great job on him. I remember the Miami game, in Miami, when we couldn’t win in Miami in the early part of the year. I don’t know how long… I don’t think we’d ever done it. We’d never won in Miami and it didn’t look like we were going to that day either. It was 13-13 with six minutes to go in overtime. We couldn’t move the ball. It was a tough day. Charlie [Weis] called a 130 Gap Slant. Tom [Brady] looks to the weak side and doesn’t have it. Troy runs the post, gets in there behind the safeties and probably gives us one of his biggest catches - it was his longest, 82 yards - to beat Miami when nobody thought we could do that. Nobody thought Troy could go deep. Nobody thought he could make the big plays. But all he did was make plays. He just kept making them. I think back to the ’01 season when Troy had all of those punt returns: the Oakland game; the Pittsburgh game, for a touchdown; and the Cleveland game. We were sitting there at 7-5. It’s a tough game, 10-10, back-and-forth, neither team could really get much of an advantage, and Troy takes that one back, right up the middle. That’s the touchdown against Cleveland. Richard Seymour made the block on [Chris] Gardocki. I don’t think Troy needed it, but that was a nice block on that touchdown.

Troy, we have so many great memories of you and all you have done for this organization, this football team and me, personally. I will be forever grateful and indebted to you. It truly has been an honor, truly an honor to coach you as a professional football team. On behalf of our football team and myself, I want to give you these three pictures, three of our greatest memories of you, along with many. Congratulations."
 
For the reading impaired and WW lovers who diddnt bother to read the transcript this part sticks out.

but the game that really stands out, to me, is the Green Bay game. We went up there in ’06. Eugene Wilson was out. Rodney Harrison was out and Asante [Samuel] was out. We said, ‘Well, we’re going to put Troy on Donald Driver.’ I remember some looks in there from the defensive coaches, and even the players. [Driver] had 93 catches and 1,300 yards. Driver was the leading receiver in the NFC. Troy held him to one catch for three yards. The only one that he caught, Troy wasn’t involved in that one, but he had one catch for three yards on him against Donald Driver.

So basically not only was TB all time clutch for the Pats he just happened to be good enough to operate as a shut down corner against a 93 catch 1300 yard WR.

Yeah, this is a close comparison. The only people choosing WW have to be in their 20's or younger. There is not conceivable, possible way you could logically justify choosing WW over TB as players.

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Part of me does wonder what Brown would have done in this offense from 2007-2012. It would not surprise me if he put up similar numbers.

I have a helluva a lot of admiration for both players.

I'll abstain from voting
 
hey......to me, I'm not sure if anyone is ever going to measure up to troy brown the football player combined with troy brown the person.....

Will Wes Welker’s Patriots Legacy Ever Match Troy Brown’s? « CBS Boston

but it is pretty unfair to try to compare welker to a guy where the best single-word description that comes to mind is 'unselfish'...pretty much ends right there.......
 
Troy Brown all the way. SB 36 makes that over the middle catch that gets them in FG range.
 
hey......to me, I'm not sure if anyone is ever going to measure up to troy brown the football player combined with troy brown the person.....

Will Wes Welker’s Patriots Legacy Ever Match Troy Brown’s? « CBS Boston

but it is pretty unfair to try to compare welker to a guy where the best single-word description that comes to mind is 'unselfish'...pretty much ends right there.......

I agree and disagree.

Just the very fact that there is this debate at all shows the continued respect Welker has among fans for his contributions, despite the key drops and the lack of rings.

His statistical accomplishments are without compare. It's just that most long seasoned Patriots fans cherish the Super Boel rings far above statistics.
 
Yes, Welker dropped a tough ball in SB46 and had the bad 3rd down drops in this past AFCCG, but if the D holds against the Giants in Arizona, Welker was the most likely player to end up with the SB42 MVP trophy.

Branch's SB39 MVP effort was hugely aided by Andy Reid's stupid insistence on sticking with scrub Matt Ware to cover him in the slot the whole 3rd quarter. They finally made the switch to Sheldon Brown and after that, Branch was shut out save for one crazy catch over Brown's back that Brown more than likely should have picked off if not outright batted away.

Legends are made by what a player does...and sometimes what an opponent does. Potential legends* go unremembered often thanks to what an opponent does or ones teammates do.

Regards,
Chris

* (cough) Dave Henderson (cough)

Brown makes that catch in SB46. He makes the 3rd down catches in the AFCCG. Guarantee it. Wes had the stats but Troy was much more clutch.
 
I agree and disagree.

Just the very fact that there is this debate at all shows the continued respect Welker has among fans for his contributions, despite the key drops and the lack of rings.

His statistical accomplishments are without compare. It's just that most long seasoned Patriots fans cherish the Super Boel rings far above statistics.

Yes.......as I have mentioned in other threads.......welker is the wade Boggs of the pats......he was the man between the 20's, but very average otherwise
 
Brown makes that catch in SB46. He makes the 3rd down catches in the AFCCG. Guarantee it. Wes had the stats but Troy was much more clutch.
That's incredibly stupid logic. You have absolutely zero proof of that and that is purely speculation and personal opinion. You trying to pass it off as fact to prove Troy is better is idiotic.

Welker was clutch, he simply had a larger workload than Troy and as such more opportunity to have a couple bad plays. People forget Welker was the only one on offense to show up in SB42 and would have deserved the MVP (though we all know Brady would have gotten it no matter what if they won).

Welker also had a big game in SB46 iirc, as well as in the AFCCG against the Ravens. This idiotic hate towards him for dropping two balls when he's targeted 20 times a game has got to stop.

Troy was great and I love him, but Welker was and is clearly the better receiver.
 
His statistical accomplishments are without compare. It's just that most long seasoned Patriots fans cherish the Super Boel rings far above statistics.

This is also pretty hilariously stupid logic.

Replace Troy with Welker and they still win those Superbowls.

Replace Welker with Troy and they still lose those Superbowls.

Though I suppose a valid case can be made for the 2010 season since Welker was playing on one leg.

Troy has more rings than Welker because he happened to play on the team when it had one of the greatest defenses in league history and by far some of the best overall teams in team history. Those defenses stopped Donovan when it came time to. They stopped the Rams when they needed a stop. Welker's defense let Eli Manning luck out his way down the entire field for game winning touchdowns.
 
Troy was great and I love him, but Welker was and is clearly the better receiver.

Well that wasn't the question. Regardless of your interpretation of what was being asked Troy Brown was clearly the better football player. It is indisputable and I am a big WW fan. Troy was all time NFL clutch and all time NFL versatile.

BB wouldnt have gushed about WW the way he did about Troy if WW had finished his career here. Troy was a one of a kind lifetime player.

Also I think you see a lot of anti-WW venom on the board because there are some particular posters who just can't let go of it. Over the top hate is just being flushed out but over the top homerism for the guy. He is gone. Just let it go. Nobody hates the guy.

You keep the up though and you will make people hate him. WW is the enemy now.
 
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