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RFA Emmanuel Sanders visits Pats 3/16; signs offer sheet 4/10, sheet matched 4/14

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Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Sources, guesses, same thing...
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

I don't know why it matters so much at the moment anyway, because PIT currently has 13 million dollars (approximately) in salary cap room. It isn't going to be about the fact that they "can't" choose to match the offer, it will be because they choose NOT to do so based on the salary structure and the likelihood of a front loaded pact, which would limit them in making other moves.


Both Sportrac and OvertheCap.com have the Steelers at just $3mill under the salary cap.

Pittsburgh Steelers - 2013 Cap Hits
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Both Sportrac and OvertheCap.com have the Steelers at just $3mill under the salary cap.

Pittsburgh Steelers - 2013 Cap Hits

The up to the minute NFL cap tracker has them right in the middle of the pack of 32 teams as of yesterday (our Llyod cut was up so it was fairly recent). They had them at 13 million under and BAL about 11-12 million under. The only 2 teams that were the lowest were the NYG and DAL, each with 2-3 million under, which is correct based on all of Dallas' fan sites.

There have been many people posting links for it. I'll try to find it for you and edit the post accordingly with a copy of the link.

And here is it...and you're right. They adjusted it accordingly this evening, and it now shows about 3 million instead of 13 million. It was entirely different this morning as we were all talking about it. I don't know what deals they just put in, or what deals they left out, etc---but it has been updated tonight.

The NYG and DAL are still the 2 lowest teams, and PIT is now the third lowest.

http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/2013/
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

The spotrac.com tracker now includes the Svitek pact, which takes us down to approximately 16.4.

It has not updated for Arrington, A.Wilson, or Koutevides yet, so that should take us down to around 11--I am assuming.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

The up to the minute NFL cap tracker has them right in the middle of the pack of 32 teams as of yesterday (our Llyod cut was up so it was fairly recent). They had them at 13 million under and BAL about 11-12 million under. The only 2 teams that were the lowest were the NYG and DAL, each with 2-3 million under, which is correct based on all of Dallas' fan sites.

FWIW, the number I'd heard was that DAL had about $200K of cap room—literally, not only are they unable to sign any free agents*, but they can't even afford to sign their soon-to-be-drafted rookies ATM.

*That said, I've also read there's been at least two years in the last ten where, even with cap room, they didn't sign any outside FAs.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Have the Bengals really done nothing?

Speaking of them, I could see them being a landing spot for Lloyd, they don't really have a #2 yet, though they are talking up Sanu a bit, for whatever that's worth.

Wouldn't be shocked if they made a run at the likes of Lloyd and Bradshaw to add to their offense and maybe Nnamdi to lockdown the other corner spot.

For all their cap space they've been quiet.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Adam Schefter ?@AdamSchefter
Just before OT Jake Long agreed to a four-year deal worth up to $36 million with Rams, Steelers made a play to try to get him to Pittsburgh.


This would have made it almost impossible for the Steelers to match an offer sheet. They clearly need a tackle, likely a LT, as I'm not sure that Adams is ready to handle the left side (and based upon the above, the Steelers aren't confident, either). Let's hope that they go the free agent or trade route. The stud tackles will likely all be gone by their #17 pick.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Adam Schefter ?@AdamSchefter
Just before OT Jake Long agreed to a four-year deal worth up to $36 million with Rams, Steelers made a play to try to get him to Pittsburgh.


This would have made it almost impossible for the Steelers to match an offer sheet. They clearly need a tackle, likely a LT, as I'm not sure that Adams is ready to handle the left side (and based upon the above, the Steelers aren't confident, either). Let's hope that they go the free agent or trade route. The stud tackles will likely all be gone by their #17 pick.

Like sebastian vollmer?
 
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Like sebastian vollmer?

Yes, definitely possible. Vollmer, when fully healthy, is a stud but chronic back issues rarely get better, especially if you are an NFL lineman.

I trust that BB and Dante have a good handle on their young lineman and whether any can step in at RT. I recall one game last year, can't remember which one, in which Cannon either started or played a significant number of snaps - I remember him destroying DL and linebackers on a number of plays. His strength is incredible but does he have the lateral quickness to play tackle? Like many others, I thought that BB would make him a guard but he has played him at tackle consistently. Perhaps he has been grooming him all along to take over for Vollmer.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

FWIW, the number I'd heard was that DAL had about $200K of cap room—literally, not only are they unable to sign any free agents*, but they can't even afford to sign their soon-to-be-drafted rookies ATM.

*That said, I've also read there's been at least two years in the last ten where, even with cap room, they didn't sign any outside FAs.

This raises an interesting point. I wonder if the Pats (or any other club under the cap) would be able to acquire draft choices in this year's draft for good value from a few teams that will not have the cap space to sign all of their picks.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

This raises an interesting point. I wonder if the Pats (or any other club under the cap) would be able to acquire draft choices in this year's draft for good value from a few teams that will not have the cap space to sign all of their picks.

While I like your line of thought, the answer is "probably not."

They're going to have to make some moves, period; since they're largely shut out of the FA period, that really only leaves draftees and UDFAs. Why would you want to reduce the number of draft picks you get in such a scenario?
 
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While I like your line of thought, the answer is "probably not."

They're going to have to make some moves, period; since they're largely shut out of the FA period, that really only leaves draftees and UDFAs. Why would you want to reduce the number of draft picks you get in such a scenario?

Shut out of meaningful FA player acquisition because of cap and the solution is trade away your picks? I also think not. Few teams are at the cap figure they're listed at because they pretty much all (except for cash strapped owners) have un-exercised restructure options to free up cap $ to sign draftees, etc.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Did we sign Emmanuel Sanders to a Offer sheet or not?
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Did we sign Emmanuel Sanders to a Offer sheet or not?
From all reports, and Sanders himself, no.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Adam Schefter ?@AdamSchefter
Just before OT Jake Long agreed to a four-year deal worth up to $36 million with Rams, Steelers made a play to try to get him to Pittsburgh.


This would have made it almost impossible for the Steelers to match an offer sheet. They clearly need a tackle, likely a LT, as I'm not sure that Adams is ready to handle the left side (and based upon the above, the Steelers aren't confident, either). Let's hope that they go the free agent or trade route. The stud tackles will likely all be gone by their #17 pick.

Personally I think the stories of the Steelers' interest in guys like Dumervil or Jake Long strain credulity. Not only do the Steelers have precious little cap room, as a rule they pretty much never sign high profile FAs. Guys like Ryan Clark were ho-hum, middle-of-the-road signings at the time. Even Kevin Greene in the 90s was considered a declining player when he signed with Pittsburgh.

I stated this before--Pittsburgh is hard enough against the cap as things stand that I don't know that it buys much for NE to wait. Unless the Dumervils and Jake Longs are going to take multimillion dollar pay cuts to play in Pittsburgh (LOL), the Steelers' remaining signings will likely just be the Matt Spaeths and Bruce Gradkowskis of the world--i.e. the kind of signings that won't impact the Steelers' (in)ability to match much one way or the other.

I just think it's more likely that NE has some interest in Sanders at the right price, but aren't necessarily 100% sold on the guy (given the 3rd round price tag) and are checking out other FA options.

I also think that lost in the excitement on this board over a potential Sanders signing is that this is a guy who's been nicked up a lot for two of his three years in the league, who has had some foot problems, and ultimately couldn't beat out a lower draft pick (albeit a talented one in Antonio Brown) for a starting spot. Don't get me wrong--I think Sanders is a talented player who can help a team as a starter, and I'd prefer to keep him--but there are some issues with him, so it's not like the team that signs him is guaranteed massive production by any stretch.
 
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I stated this before--Pittsburgh is hard enough against the cap as things stand that I don't know that it buys much for NE to wait. Unless the Dumervils and Jake Longs are going to take multimillion dollar pay cuts to play in Pittsburgh (LOL), the Steelers' remaining signings will likely just be the Matt Spaeths and Bruce Gradkowskis of the world--i.e. the kind of signings that won't impact the Steelers' (in)ability to match much one way or the other.

I just think it's more likely that NE has some interest in Sanders at the right price, but aren't necessarily 100% sold on the guy (given the 3rd round price tag) and are checking out other FA options.

I certainly agree with your thoughts on the situation. I too, think that the interest PIT had in Dumervil/Long was played up a lot, and that it would have been close to impossible to sign either one.

I also feel that NE is still trying to decide on whether or not they want Sanders. Unfortunately they don't have a mid round pick or that may have been enough to get the deal done in a trade. One way or another, they'll need to get on it a bit, or their options may dry up over the coming days/weeks.

If they are looking at a trade possibility with some other team's WR, that is different altogether, and that may be the hold up in the Sanders decision. Then again, maybe they just didn't like something about him. There's no hiding the fact that PIT doesn't exactly specialize in running all the branches of the route tree, and football intelligence goes a long way in regards to decisions around here.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Years ago Bob Kraft made the Patriots arrange a trade for Welker
rather than go the offer sheet route. He did not want to tick off
the owner. I don't imagine he wants to upset Rooney.

He didn't see to have a problem with "upsetting Rooney" in 2004 when the Pats signed Rodney Bailey to an offer sheet.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

Personally I think the stories of the Steelers' interest in guys like Dumervil or Jake Long strain credulity. Not only do the Steelers have precious little cap room, as a rule they pretty much never sign high profile FAs. Guys like Ryan Clark were ho-hum, middle-of-the-road signings at the time. Even Kevin Greene in the 90s was considered a declining player when he signed with Pittsburgh.

I stated this before--Pittsburgh is hard enough against the cap as things stand that I don't know that it buys much for NE to wait. Unless the Dumervils and Jake Longs are going to take multimillion dollar pay cuts to play in Pittsburgh (LOL), the Steelers' remaining signings will likely just be the Matt Spaeths and Bruce Gradkowskis of the world--i.e. the kind of signings that won't impact the Steelers' (in)ability to match much one way or the other.

I just think it's more likely that NE has some interest in Sanders at the right price, but aren't necessarily 100% sold on the guy (given the 3rd round price tag) and are checking out other FA options.

I also think that lost in the excitement on this board over a potential Sanders signing is that this is a guy who's been nicked up a lot for two of his three years in the league, who has had some foot problems, and ultimately couldn't beat out a lower draft pick (albeit a talented one in Antonio Brown) for a starting spot. Don't get me wrong--I think Sanders is a talented player who can help a team as a starter, and I'd prefer to keep him--but there are some issues with him, so it's not like the team that signs him is guaranteed massive production by any stretch.

Pretty spot on, except for not beating out Brown being any kind of knock on Sanders. Brown is a very good WR and returner from what I've seen when watching the Steelers. If he stays healthy unlike last season I think he'll have a great year, 1200 and 8 TDs. Now that's a guy I'd love on the Pats. But I would gladly take Sanders too and we haven't had a good 'free timeout' guy since Willie McGinnest
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

It looks like belichick may have brought sanders for a visit to put some pressure on lloyd to restructure. I doubt sanders gets signed to an offer sheet.
 
Re: Emmanuel Sanders signs offer sheet (Unconfirmed report)

It looks like belichick may have brought sanders for a visit to put some pressure on lloyd to restructure. I doubt sanders gets signed to an offer sheet.

Lloyd was willing to restructure. Pats were always gonna cut him. Sanders coming in is because BB wants to get younger at WR. Also it's not like since the Sanders visit the Pats have signed anyone. I think the same thing is happening with Sanders is happening with Abraham. Things are just on hold right now, maybe trying to free up some more money with Mankins and/or Wilfork

It seems like mostly the whole league has put a hold on signings probably due to the owners meetings
 
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