Reports: Adrian Wilson, Abraham to visit Pats

[Hok]

Jennings is going to ~$10M/yr
Vollmer and Talib combined at least $8M - probably closer to $10M
Reed $5-6M

That would put us ~$8M over the cap. Who are you going to cut to pay for that, the draft, and the scrubs?

Pipe Dream!

Total contract value divided by number of contract years does not equal 2013 cap hit.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Re: Report: Adrian Wilson to visit Pats

or sign three CB's! Talib, Cason, and maybe another depth guy!

My thoughts exactly. I wanted Sean Smith from the Dolphins because of his size but he's gone as well. We need to focus on some CBs now.

 

[strngplyr]

Jennings is going to ~$10M/yr
Vollmer and Talib combined at least $8M - probably closer to $10M
Reed $5-6M

That would put us ~$8M over the cap. Who are you going to cut to pay for that, the draft, and the scrubs?

Pipe Dream!

You're also off by about 3m on your Jennings number, recent reports have put him more around 7m. And as stated, Average value does not equal cap hit. Amendola will average 6.2m per season yet will only have a cap hit around 3m in 2013.

Wallace is averaging 12m/season yet, in 2014 his cap hit is something like 17m. It all depends on how the contracts are structured.

We can probably easily sign the top 2 corners, Vollmer, and probably Jennings too and have enough room for rookies and vet depth players if we wanted to.

Lloyd's option can also not be picked up saving another 3m and we have a chance of recovering nearly 4m against the cap that we spent on Fanene. The team is in a great place cap-wise and we can be sure they have a plan. Whether we like the plan or not remains to be seen.

Dumervil may also be cut today and could probably be picked up for around 5-7m/year. Might be a nice grab.

 

[Drewski]

You're also off by about 3m on your Jennings number, recent reports have put him more around 7m. And as stated, Average value does not equal cap hit. Amendola will average 6.2m per season yet will only have a cap hit around 3m in 2013.

Wallace is averaging 12m/season yet, in 2014 his cap hit is something like 17m. It all depends on how the contracts are structured.

We can probably easily sign the top 2 corners, Vollmer, and probably Jennings too and have enough room for rookies and vet depth players if we wanted to.

Lloyd's option can also not be picked up saving another 3m and we have a chance of recovering nearly 4m against the cap that we spent on Fanene. The team is in a great place cap-wise and we can be sure they have a plan. Whether we like the plan or not remains to be seen.

This, combined with a market that is actually more in the Pats wheelhouse than we typically see and flush with talent at their spots of need, has me intrigued big time.

I like that Wilson and Abraham are in for visits - if nothing else solid vet presences who can help the team (assuming deals).

A couple CBs, Seabass and a WR and Id say the brain trust can focus on BPA come draft time (I personally would prefer DL/OL/WR/Pass Rusher help)

 

[patsfaninpa]

I think Abraham will be great as a situational pass rusher. I'm thinking Andre Carter x2. Doesn't have to play a lot of snaps. Hasn't won a championship yet. Should still be hungry. Adrlian Wilson sounds like a good fit too. I don't watch Arizona at all. Unless we're playing them. So, I don't know if he's lost a step or not. But, fits a model we could use. A thumper at safety. My other choice would be Antoine Winfield. Dennard insurance. Keep Talib of course and let's roll. I'm on the lookout for cheap options at these positions; OLB(Coverage specialist), OL and WR.

In the draft; WR, CB and OL.

 

[bagwell368]

You're also off by about 3m on your Jennings number, recent reports have put him more around 7m. And as stated, Average value does not equal cap hit. Amendola will average 6.2m per season yet will only have a cap hit around 3m in 2013.

Wallace is averaging 12m/season yet, in 2014 his cap hit is something like 17m. It all depends on how the contracts are structured.

We can probably easily sign the top 2 corners, Vollmer, and probably Jennings too and have enough room for rookies and vet depth players if we wanted to.

Lloyd's option can also not be picked up saving another 3m and we have a chance of recovering nearly 4m against the cap that we spent on Fanene. The team is in a great place cap-wise and we can be sure they have a plan. Whether we like the plan or not remains to be seen.

Dumervil may also be cut today and could probably be picked up for around 5-7m/year. Might be a nice grab.

I read $10M yesterday on Jennings, and even if he is 7, your eyes are still too big for the Patriots stomach since they will be picking up UDFA's and FA's not already FA's from now through camp. The Pats will not spend to the limit leaving no space to move on those sorts of situations. BB hasn't and he's not going to start now.

 

[Wilfork#75]

Give me:

CB- Aqib Talib- 4yrs $22mil
CB- Nnamdi Asomugha- 2yrs $8mil
DE- John Abraham- 1yr $4.5mil
SS- Adrian Wilson- 2yrs $5mi
LB- DJ Williams/Daryl Smith- 1yr $2mil

That would be some really solid additions and still leave us cap space to target some other guys and re-sign the likes of Edelman. Maybe look into Jennings or make a run at Donario Alexander, and I wouldn't be against another pass rusher like Umenyiora or Harrison. You can never have too many pass rushers. Draft a DT and a couple of WRs and we would be in pretty good shape.

 

[Drewski]

Give me:

CB- Aqib Talib- 4yrs $22mil
CB- Nnamdi Asomugha- 2yrs $8mil
DE- John Abraham- 1yr $4.5mil
SS- Adrian Wilson- 2yrs $5mi
LB- DJ Williams/Daryl Smith- 1yr $2mil

That would be some really solid additions and still leave us cap space to target some other guys and re-sign the likes of Edelman. Maybe look into Jennings or make a run at Donario Alexander, and I wouldn't be against another pass rusher like Umenyiora or Harrison. You can never have too many pass rushers. Draft a DT and a couple of WRs and we would be in pretty good shape.

Love your thinking Wilfork#75. Get some OL help and we are (on paper) well on our way.

 

[strngplyr]

I read $10M yesterday on Jennings, and even if he is 7, your eyes are still too big for the Patriots stomach since they will be picking up UDFA's and FA's not already FA's from now through camp. The Pats will not spend to the limit leaving no space to move on those sorts of situations. BB hasn't and he's not going to start now.

I didn't say they would, or that I think they will, I said they COULD, because the average value of a contract very often has little to do with the cap hit, which seems to be a point that you're missing.

They could very easily sign most of these players and still have room to sign the usual camp fodder later.

 

[Nunchucks]

I love the idea of getting Wilson to play enforcer in the secondary. The Patriots have been lacking a guy that puts receivers' heads on a swivel. In a passing league, sometimes the fear of getting your head knocked off is even better than tight coverage. Attitude in the secondary please. Sure he is old and a "stop gap," but really, we need to put somebody back there.

As for Abraham, situational pass rusher, ABSOLUTELY! We need somebody to rush the passer on the infinite 3rd and long downs we put teams in because our run defense is fantastic. How many times do we see 3rd and long converted because the QB has all day? We need somebody who can get to the QB, and Abraham is a guy who can do it. He also can show some tricks to Chandler Jones, because we have no other true pass rushers on the team.

Finally, people complaining about old stop gap players.....what would you call Wes Welker?

The end.

 

[Triumph]

Thank you! These old geezers on the way back end of their careers are not going to do crap for this team come playoff time. They get hurt, get cut, or just disappear as the year goes on.

Time to get prime playmakers 26-30 years old. All of these signings aren't going to get you where you want to go.

Shaun Ellis must have told Abraham get to NE as fast as you can to retire.

What did Ellis get, 5 million guaranteed to make a few tackles and sit on his axx the rest of the time?

 

[Rob0729]

Would rather have Pollard and Osi, but Wilson and Abraham would improve the defense.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Big ol party in Foxboro today:

Tom E. Curran ?@tomecurran
In addition to John Abraham and Adrian Wilson, the Patriots will be hosting Dwight Freeney on a free agent visit. #PatriotsTalk

 

[ausbacker]

Big ol party in Foxboro today:

Tom E. Curran ?@tomecurran
In addition to John Abraham and Adrian Wilson, the Patriots will be hosting Dwight Freeney on a free agent visit. #PatriotsTalk

Situational Defense come on down!

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Give me:

CB- Aqib Talib- 4yrs $22mil
CB- Nnamdi Asomugha- 2yrs $8mil
DE- John Abraham- 1yr $4.5mil
SS- Adrian Wilson- 2yrs $5mi
LB- DJ Williams/Daryl Smith- 1yr $2mil

Must say I like your plan alot, as long as that Talib deal is incentive heavy. They could possibly come cheaper too given the market for CB/DE thus far. Add in another bargain signing at WR (DHB) and re-sign Edelman, Arrington, Thomas if they come cheap. Cut ties with Gregory if Wilson is brought in and draft
WR - obviously could use a prospect here
CB - compete with Glass IR and Cole for 5th spot
S- fill Chung's spot
OT - compete with Cannon if Vollmer leaves

And we're all but set IMO.

 

[Triumph]

I love the idea of getting Wilson to play enforcer in the secondary. The Patriots have been lacking a guy that puts receivers' heads on a swivel. In a passing league, sometimes the fear of getting your head knocked off is even better than tight coverage. Attitude in the secondary please. Sure he is old and a "stop gap," but really, we need to put somebody back there.

As for Abraham, situational pass rusher, ABSOLUTELY! We need somebody to rush the passer on the infinite 3rd and long downs we put teams in because our run defense is fantastic. How many times do we see 3rd and long converted because the QB has all day? We need somebody who can get to the QB, and Abraham is a guy who can do it. He also can show some tricks to Chandler Jones, because we have no other true pass rushers on the team.

Finally, people complaining about old stop gap players.....what would you call Wes Welker?

The end.

Welker was still playing at a high level. Abraham padded his stats vs the worst teams in the NFL last season and was MIA for the playoffs.

Ed Reed is still playing at a high level and just helped win a certain football game in February.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Big ol party in Foxboro today:

Tom E. Curran ?@tomecurran
In addition to John Abraham and Adrian Wilson, the Patriots will be hosting Dwight Freeney on a free agent visit. #PatriotsTalk

Sweet! Hope the day ends with 2 of 3

 

[Froob]

Would be sweet to get all 3 on the cheap side. Need some pass rushers. Would be a bit weird seeing Freeney in a pats jersey.

 

[TomPatriot]

Just an aside on Wilson that I don't think has been mentioned. His size creates a lot of interesting sub packages and schemes. One example: they can run a cut blitz with Mayo (or Spikes) and Wilson, where he comes from the strong side to the A gap and Mayo/Spikes darts into the B. Imagine your the center worrying about Big Vince in front of you and a huge safety hitting the A gap at full speed. Ugh.

 

[bagwell368]

Wilson is an aging SS with OK cover skills. Last year he was for the first time slow to get to runners.

OTOH he was quite good in 2011. He's a leader, and a tough guy that hits hard.

However IMO BB is moving away from SS's in his base D. I see Wilson playing a short yardage/goal line D (in the box). I also see him playing cover LB in 4-2-5 sets, and that might be work well.

He's worth more than the minimum as one of Bill's old guys make good sorts of deals.


As for Freeney coming, that might be announced to make Abraham sign more quickly and for a bit less. We'll see.