Would you give up the 2nd round pick for Percy Harvin?

[satz]

Potential Chandler Jones vs a Injured WR who wants 10 million and is a better edelman .

Harvin = Take wes, ask him to miss games , younger and ofcourse remove all knowledge of our system which WR struggle to pickup and we get this guy.

 

[eagle eye]

Harvin is too injury prone I think. A fantastic player but he seems to go down at some stage every season.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I absolutely would give up a 2nd round pick without hesitation. To those saying they wouldn't take a risk on a guy who has poor health, well Belichick already drafted Ras IR Dowling who had similar issues, hence why a 2nd round pick is arbitrary, at least in the case of the Patriots. We need game changers.

Remind us again what Ras IR's rookie contract was worth. The problem with trading for a vet is you're investing not only the pick but a boatload of cash.

(Ras IR is making in 4 years half of what Harvin is looking for per year on a 5-6 year deal.}

 

[Deus Irae]

er a league source, Harvin currently is expected to stay away from offseason workouts and training camp absent a new deal.

Harvin is expected to hold out under current deal | ProFootballTalk

 

[Boomer B]

He's definately worth a 2nd, as long as he can be signed and is not a 1 year rental. The reality is that there are WR needy teams with a ton of cap space (Cleveland, Miami) that have higher 2nd round picks then the Pats. We probably won't have a shot at him. Our hope would be that the Phins and Browns get their WRs in free agency so they don't have to give up a 2nd and that leaves Harvin for us.

 

[Rob0729]

I absolutely would give up a 2nd round pick without hesitation. To those saying they wouldn't take a risk on a guy who has poor health, well Belichick already drafted Ras IR Dowling who had similar issues, hence why a 2nd round pick is arbitrary, at least in the case of the Patriots. We need game changers.

Dowling really only had one injury year, but the comparisons aren't the same anyway.

First, Harvin has a history of severe migraines. That is a serious condition that could ultimately end his career prematurely at some point. And that doesn't even address his miriad of injuries dating back to his college days.

Second, Harvin is in the last year of his deal. Either he will be an one year rental or demand a top contract. Dowling might have been a 2nd round pick, but he was under contract for four years for cheap money. Lower risk.

Third, Harvin has been a problem child since college including getting into a tirade shouting match with Leslie Frazier. He has had off the field problems for a while now. He has had drug issues in the past (reports he was suspended in Florida for failing a drug test although it was reported as an injury). His temper was a red flag to why many teams avoided drafting him.

If his injury history was the only concern, I might agree with you. But you are adding he is a hot-tempered head case and is in the last year of his deal looking to cash in (and possibly holding out if he doesn't).

 

[Rob0729]

Remind us again what Ras IR's rookie contract was worth. The problem with trading for a vet is you're investing not only the pick but a boatload of cash.

(Ras IR is making in 4 years half of what Harvin is looking for per year on a 5-6 year deal.}

Also, remind me when Dowling had a history of being a problem child like Harvin. Or has a drug past like Harvin?

 

[Kontradiction]

Absolutely not worth the resources. It essentially costs a second round pick and the possibility is there that the two sides won't come to an agreement on a new contract. Welker has been better, more durable, and is a proven commodity in this offense. Use the second rounder on a big bodied WR and sign Welker.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Absolutely not worth the resources. It essentially costs a second round pick and the possibility is there that the two sides won't come to an agreement on a new contract. Welker has been better, more durable, and is a proven commodity in this offense. Use the second rounder on a big bodied WR and sign Welker.

Harvin wants a new deal or he is holding out...so he would have to get a new deal right away if we traded for him. When welker goes ( i think he does ) we will need someone

 

[Don_the_patfan]

Harvin is expected to hold out under current deal | ProFootballTalk

No need for a second now. He is forcing their hand. We'd be fools to give up a second and a rich contract. We wouldn't do that anyway. If we are even to go in this direction highly doubt we give a high pick. Personally think we are retooling the position with 2 vertical WR's. A 2nd round pick after the above quote and $ for a WR that wants his? When was the last time the first team you thought after you knew those facts was NE pats?

 

[Sciz]

Harvin's migraines are not an issue. He was diagnosed for sleep apnea and has reportedly not had any problems since. In the one sleep test they did, his heart stopped beating 8 times overnight for about 10 seconds at a time. He now wears a mask that regulates his breathing so that doesn't happen.

(I still don't want him for a second and $10M a year. For a 2012 3rd, 2013 3rd, and something closer to $8.5M a year, then I'd be awfully tempted.)

 

[Kontradiction]

Harvin wants a new deal or he is holding out...so he would have to get a new deal right away if we traded for him. When welker goes ( i think he does ) we will need someone

As has been mentioned by several posters in this thread, Harvin is probably going to want something in the ball park of what Welker wants. Given the two options (sign Welker vs. give up a 2nd and possibly sign Harvin), I'd hope that the team signs Welker. Again, more durable with a clear understanding of the offense and a Vulcan mind-meld with Brady.

 

[Rob0729]

Harvin's migraines are not an issue. He was diagnosed for sleep apnea and has reportedly not had any problems since. In the one sleep test they did, his heart stopped beating 8 times overnight for about 10 seconds at a time. He now wears a mask that regulates his breathing so that doesn't happen.

(I still don't want him for a second and $10M a year. For a 2012 3rd, 2013 3rd, and something closer to $8.5M a year, then I'd be awfully tempted.)

Maybe I am wrong there, but his migraines are actually low on my concern list. He has been injured a lot without them and his attitude is the biggest fear.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Maybe I am wrong there, but his migraines are actually low on my concern list. He has been injured a lot without them and his attitude is the biggest fear.

His first 3 years in the league, he played 15, 14 and 16 games. That doesn't exactly scream "injury prone".

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

His first 3 years in the league, he played 15, 14 and 16 games. That doesn't exactly scream "injury prone".

i am not worried about his injury issues for this very reason.

I am looking at welkers age vs harvins age

 

[MoLewisrocks]

His first 3 years in the league, he played 15, 14 and 16 games. That doesn't exactly scream "injury prone".

He also missed a good deal of practice time which would be a huge issue here and in this offense.

 

[Rob0729]

His first 3 years in the league, he played 15, 14 and 16 games. That doesn't exactly scream "injury prone".

Playing injured and playing well injured are two different things. Look at his game by game numbers and even though he might have been able to tough it out on the field doesn't mean he played particularly well.

If you would like, I will change my "injury prone" label to "wildly inconsistent" if you like. Either way, it is still a major concern when picking up Harvin for second rounder and giving him a huge contract.

Also, for a guy who has never had a 1,000 yard season in his career (granted he has has had some bad QBs), he is risk to give a top deal to nevermind the other concerns about him.

 

[Jimke]

Without a contract extension, Harvin will hold out until the last minute.
Does a #2 draft pick for six games sound good to you?

 

[Claremonster]

It basically postpones the 'Welker' decision for a year if you let Welker go and keep Harvin, at the cost of a second round pick. To keep Harvin moving forward is probably going to cost something similar to what Welker would cost, only for more years.

Welker's replacement. I like the sound of this. Harvin is a stud. Much younger. Could rent Harvin for a year basically. Welker will be a year older then. Move on with Welker the year after. Sign Harvin (with a year worth of experience in the system) to a worthwhile contract.

It would bridge the gap between Harvin and Welker, and fill two needs at the same time! This is a savvy concept!

Yeah, I think this could work very well actually...:rocker:

 

[RIpats88]

As has been mentioned by several posters in this thread, Harvin is probably going to want something in the ball park of what Welker wants. Given the two options (sign Welker vs. give up a 2nd and possibly sign Harvin), I'd hope that the team signs Welker. Again, more durable with a clear understanding of the offense and a Vulcan mind-meld with Brady.

well, the key difference is that Harvin is only 24years old and Welker is on the wrong side of 30...not that I dont want welker

but from a business standpoint it makes alot more sense to give a long term deal to a Wideout who is 24