Can we afford Donnie Edwards?

[pats1]

we don't have to cut him, he's a UFA in march

i hope you guys get him too, cause i know you're going to win your division again and i expect donnie will have his typical donnie year and net us a 3rd round comp pick in the 08 draft regardless of wherever he goes.

JCDavey -

I'd expect you to know the Chargers better than that.

Donnie Edwards is under 2007 contract. The Chargers will cut him, yes, but he is NOT a UFA in March.

http://nflpa.org/Resources/ActivePlayerSearch.aspx?id=23953

 

[Digger44]

JCDavey -

I'd expect you to know the Chargers better than that.

Donnie Edwards is under 2007 contract. The Chargers will cut him, yes, but he is NOT a UFA in March.

http://nflpa.org/Resources/ActivePlayerSearch.aspx?id=23953

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/69835

Free agent linebacker Donnie Edwards' agent confirmed he's not speaking to the Chargers about an extension for his client.

 

[pats1]

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/69835

Free agent linebacker Donnie Edwards' agent confirmed he's not speaking to the Chargers about an extension for his client.

Right, the Pats could give an extension to Brady tomorrow, but that doesn't mean he is a free agent this March.

I'll trust NFLPA documents. They are the supreme authority when it comes to this stuff.

 

[jcdavey]

JCDavey -

I'd expect you to know the Chargers better than that.

Donnie Edwards is under 2007 contract. The Chargers will cut him, yes, but he is NOT a UFA in March.

http://nflpa.org/Resources/ActivePlayerSearch.aspx?id=23953

too bad it's not updated

read it and weep

the san diego press knows more than a pats fan and apparently is more updated than that nflpa site - http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20070125-9999-1s25chargers.html

maybe the nflpa will update their clearly wrong site, either way edwards will be out of san diego in 07, which i am grateful for


edit: your nflpa site also says freeney is on the colts through 08 - http://nflpa.org/Resources/ActivePlayerSearch.aspx?id=32987

Freeney, Dwight

2008 1237000.00
2005 600000.00
2006 5000000.00
2007 1001000.00
2002 944000.00
2003 300000.00
2004 391000.00

 

[jcdavey]

Right, the Pats could give an extension to Brady tomorrow, but that doesn't mean he is a free agent this March.

I'll trust NFLPA documents. They are the supreme authority when it comes to this stuff.

haha nfl network just also reported edwards is an UFA set to test the waters in march...looks like you were wrong homie

 

[pats1]

too bad it's not updated

read it and weep

the san diego press knows more than a pats fan and apparently is more updated than that nflpa site - http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20070125-9999-1s25chargers.html

maybe the nflpa will update their clearly wrong site, either way edwards will be out of san diego in 07, which i am grateful for


edit: your nflpa site also says freeney is on the colts through 08 - http://nflpa.org/Resources/ActivePlayerSearch.aspx?id=32987

That's because Freeney had a playing time trigger in his contract that voided the last 2 years of his deal.

I am not aware of a similar situation with Edwards.

Maybe your "homies" in San Diego can enlighten me. It's not "my" NFLPA site. It's the official website of the NFL Players Association, a resource used by journalists nationwide for their salary research documents and full copy of the CBA. The player database alerts people like Miguel that a player's contract has been restructured sometimes before any news outlet catches word of it.

EDIT: I checked it out with Miguel's spreadsheet, and it lists Edwards as having a contact with a voidable 2007.

So, yes, that 2007 year will need to be/already has been voided. That's why NFLPA still lists his 2007 salary.

 

[salty]

You need to learn the set up the 3-4 def and the cover2 def. June is a solid player in the cover2 but could not make the transition to the 3-4. Remember Monty Biesel? He makes June look small. Monty is 6-3 240 lbs, June is 6 and 225. He is not built for our def.

June is also an OLB. In the 3-4 def the OLBs on both sides must be skilled enough to rush the passer, stop the run, and drop into coverage. June would not be able to get around his blocker or make the tackle on a RB who is coming full speed. His pass coverage would be fine.

You can't just switch a OLB from a cover 2 to the inside of a 3-4. The results would be a very poor run defense.

I hope that helps.

Wouldn't Donnie Edwards pose the same problem, though?

I like the fact that he is good in coverage, because clearly the Patriots need some help at linebacker in that regard. However, he is pretty undersized for an ILB (6'2", 230), and so would probably be a liability against the run. Thats why I don't see him coming to the Pats.

If the Pats are going to go with an older, cheaper ILB, I think I'd rather see them take a shot at London Fletcher. His size is much more ideal and he is a tackling machine. Buffalo's run D was hardly stellar this year, but I think that is more the line's fault.

 

[pats1]

Wouldn't Donnie Edwards pose the same problem, though?

I like the fact that he is good in coverage, because clearly the Patriots need some help at linebacker in that regard. However, he is pretty undersized for an ILB (6'2", 230), and so would probably be a liability against the run. Thats why I don't see him coming to the Pats.

If the Pats are going to go with an older, cheaper ILB, I think I'd rather see them take a shot at London Fletcher. His size is much more ideal and he is a tackling machine. Buffalo's run D was hardly stellar this year, but I think that is more the line's fault.

Fletcher is 5'9", 245. The difference isn't exactly staggering.

Compare that to Vrabel at 6'4", 261. Or even Colvin at 6'3", 250.

I'd still love to have one (if not both!) in the defense.

 

[jcdavey]

That's because Freeney had a playing time trigger in his contract that voided the last 2 years of his deal.

I am not aware of a similar situation with Edwards.

Maybe your "homies" in San Diego can enlighten me. It's not "my" NFLPA site. It's the official website of the NFL Players Association, a resource used by journalists nationwide for their salary research documents and full copy of the CBA. The player database alerts people like Miguel that a player's contract has been restructured sometimes before any news outlet catches word of it.

EDIT: I checked it out with Miguel's spreadsheet, and it lists Edwards as having a contact with a voidable 2007.

So, yes, that 2007 year will need to be/already has been voided. That's why NFLPA still lists his 2007 salary.

Chargers free agents
Unrestricted free agents

Four or more years of service; They can sign with any team when their contracts expire March 1:

Kris Dielman
Randall Godfrey
Donnie Edwards
Leander Jordan
Carlos Polk
Az-Zahir Hakim
Cory Withrow

that's all ya need to know man

UFA...it's over

 

[salty]

Fletcher is 5'9", 245. The difference isn't exactly staggering.

Compare that to Vrabel at 6'4", 261. Or even Colvin at 6'3", 250.

I'd still love to have one (if not both!) in the defense.

NFL.com has him listed at 5'10", but either way, he is short. The differences is that he's packing 245 pounds in to that short frame, so unlike Donnie Edwards, he is stout.

 

[pats1]

that's all ya need to know man

UFA...it's over

You're right. His contract must have been voided, or at least is going to be very soon.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Edwards will be a Patriot in 2008.

I think being forced out/cut is unlikely to produce an attempt to "break the bank," especially given knowledge of the Pats on Edwards' (and everybody else's) part.

I do think Edwards goes for the big money, if he can not go for the ring. The Colts are broke. The Chargers seem to be done with him. Who are the other alternatives? And with a half-dozen teams playing the 3-4, it's not like he'll make an instant impact in Chicago, or some other NFC contender.

Anyway... Edwards will be a Patriot.

PFnV

 

[pats1]

NFL.com has him listed at 5'10", but either way, he is short. The differences is that he's packing 245 pounds in to that short frame, so unlike Donnie Edwards, he is stout.

My bad, NFL.com player pages often aren't updated when showing up in Google.

 

[pats1]

Edwards will be a Patriot in 2008.

I think being forced out/cut is unlikely to produce an attempt to "break the bank," especially given knowledge of the Pats on Edwards' (and everybody else's) part.

I do think Edwards goes for the big money, if he can not go for the ring. The Colts are broke. The Chargers seem to be done with him. Who are the other alternatives? And with a half-dozen teams playing the 3-4, it's not like he'll make an instant impact in Chicago, or some other NFC contender.

Anyway... Edwards will be a Patriot.

PFnV

2008?

Or do you mean 2007?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Yeah, 2007. I hate it when I run outta meds.

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

Wouldn't Donnie Edwards pose the same problem, though?

No. I just re-watched the SD v Pats game and focused on Edwards when the Bolts were playing D. Edwards was flying around all over the place and just making plays. More impressive is that despite his "lack of size," he was shedding blocks by Koppen, Graham, Neal and Mankins with ease to stuff runs, most often near the LOS. I do recall him getting flattened by Light on a play, but that was the rare exception. This guy can flat out play and he's no Monty or Chad Brown. Granted his role as the Mike on most plays or the ILB on others is a bit different than what's expected of the Pats' counterparts, but given his smarts, instincts and that he does the same things that Pats ILB are required to do well, disguise their assignment and add confusion prior to the snap, disengage from much larger blockers and plug gaps when stuffing the run and drop into coverage against slot receivers, TEs and RBs, his "lack of size for a prototypical 34 ILB" sentiments seems quite overblown to me. He'd be an awesome addition to the Pats LB corp. The only two questions I have concerning Edwards are how much he'll command and how he'll hold up throughout the course of the season given his age.

 

[jcdavey]

No. I just re-watched the SD v Pats game and focused on Edwards when the Bolts were playing D. Edwards was flying around all over the place and just making plays. More impressive is that despite his "lack of size," he was shedding blocks by Koppen, Graham, Neal and Mankins with ease to stuff runs, most often near the LOS. I do recall him getting flattened by Light on a play, but that was the rare exception. This guy can flat out play and he's no Monty or Chad Brown. Granted his role as the Mike on most plays or the ILB on others is a bit different than what's expected of the Pats' counterparts, but given his smarts, instincts and that he does the same things that Pats ILB are required to do well, disguise their assignment and add confusion prior to the snap, disengage from much larger blockers and plug gaps when stuffing the run and drop into coverage against slot receivers, TEs and RBs, his "lack of size for a prototypical 34 ILB" sentiments seems quite overblown to me. He'd be an awesome addition to the Pats LB corp. The only two questions I have concerning Edwards are how much he'll command and how he'll hold up throughout the course of the season given his age.

go try and find some of his other games to watch and you'll realize that isn't the exception to donnie's typical style of play

don't just base your opinion of him on that one game, he's not good vs the run, he's great vs the pass though, like a freaking safety out there

 

[unoriginal]

Grooming Alexander? Have you read/heard this? IMO, he's a special teamer and nothing more. They used him out of necessity in the Colts game. ILB is a position we must spend $$ on. There are plenty of options out there this offseason, with 25 mill cap space, you have to come into next season with something better than Eric Alexander as your ILB.

You better appreciate this damn article, because it took me forever to find it. Even Projo's search failed to locate it.
http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/projo_20060807_07pats.1f8620b.html

The Patriots, according to Alexander, have a mold for his role.

"They want me to be a Roman Phifer-type linebacker," he said, referring to the Patriots' ageless standout who could play the run and the pass with equal aplomb. "[Phifer] played primarily on passing downs. He was a coverage linebacker. And that's what they'd like to see out of me even though I haven't shown it as much. I'm working hard and trying to get better at it."

He's well aware that now is the time to make an impression.

"I appreciate the Patriots giving me an opportunity to come out here and play but I'm ready to get out on the field," he acknowledged. "This year, with no more practice-squad eligibility, it's either here or the highway so it's a transitional year for me. You know who the starters are, but hopefully I can be one of those guys. They like linebackers who can play special teams -- that's why they keep so many on the roster. Hopefully I can be one of them. I see myself fitting into this system somewhere down the line. Hopefully soon."

I also came across one or two press conferences with Belichick where he specifically mentions Alexander coming along in the defense.

Like I said, if the Pats think Edwards is better for the team than Alexander, they'll sign Edwards. If they think Alexander is a better value as their cover linebacker, they'll stay with him.

 

[BradyManny]

You better appreciate this damn article, because it took me forever to find it. Even Projo's search failed to locate it.
http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/projo_20060807_07pats.1f8620b.html

Great find. Thanks for the lookout, I stand corrected on Alexander.

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

go try and find some of his other games to watch and you'll realize that isn't the exception to donnie's typical style of play

don't just base your opinion of him on that one game, he's not good vs the run, he's great vs the pass though, like a freaking safety out there

Well, when the guy holds up well against a very solid run blocking OL and a great blocking TE and is able to toss them aside to make the tackle on the ball carrier with regularity, I'm not sure why he'd suddenly be a liability on run D in other games. Obviously, he has the ability and skill to disengage from blockers. But yours is a fair point in that one game is a small sampling.

Still, are you suggesting that SD's stout rush defense of the past few years, the same rush D that was ranked top three in the league for a couple years if memory serves, excelled in spite of Edwards and his 100 tackles per year?