BB's legacy

[ALP]

Bill Belichick's playoff résumé gets better by the week - NFL.com

its all there

 

[DarrylStingley]

Bob Ryan posits that Bill NEEDS a post-SpyGate SB for his legacy in today's Glove.....

 

[Jackson 2]

Bob Ryan posits that Bill NEEDS a post-SpyGate SB for his legacy in today's Glove.....

I just sent Ryan an e-mail for trotting out his annual "BB needs another SB win to be considered legit" column. Once a year he dusts it off and has it re-printed. Tired, out-of-date pap. Feel free to say good morning to Bobby Boy if you wish at [email protected].

 

[SVN]

Bob Ryan posits that Bill NEEDS a post-SpyGate SB for his legacy in today's Glove.....

Leave it to the local media to 'support' its local team. Here in the bay area I cant hear one talk show or read a paper where they want to take their team down.
Now hopefully we can pass jay glazer today without any pats related controversies which always seem to rear its head when pats are in the big games.

 

[DarrylStingley]

Leave it to the local media to 'support' its local team. Here in the bay area I cant hear one talk show or read a paper where they want to take their team down.
Now hopefully we can pass jay glazer today without any pats related controversies which always seem to rear its head when pats are in the big games.

Yup, and the CHB submitted a column that could stoke up Flacco and the Ravens with his Tom is the best ever.

Thanks for nothing, Boston Globe.

And yes, please do e-mail Ryan. He often writes back. And he's as sanctimonious in his e-mails as he is in his columns.

 

[jdwad246]

There is no doubt that BB's legacy is secure here and secure with every intelligent, objective football fan across the country. Another super bowl will only strengthen it. However, I for one am sick of hearing about spygate, and sick of having the haters throw the fact that we haven't won a superbowl since. I think we fans need another super bowl win to silence the haters.

 

[SVN]

Watching NFLN and they were discussing Brady and Belichick's legacy and everyone gives props but as except faulk and he points out its all brady and bb's record in cleveland was not good. Then Eisen says "is this the only reason you root against the patriots?" I assume a spygate/rams loss reference. Irvin says something along the lines of haters gonna hate man.

 

[farn]

They can all hate. I'm a fan of this football team. I enjoy it when they win. They've been consistent winners despite many obstacles since the turn of the century.

BB is the best head coach. That is why he still has a job while so many others don't. Every single fan of 95% of these teams would gladly trade for this type of success.

I want to win. That is all. Class, friendships, stories - all that is BS. And useless. I have friends and family in my life - on Sundays, I'm not looking for friends, I'm looking for wins. BB wins. Game over.

 

[aluminum seats]

Overall, I think Bob Ryan was a great columnist. But his bit about Belichick is so idiotic. What I particularly hate is that he seems to imply that "other" people need BB has to win another Super Bowl for his legacy, not realizing that it's his own damn columns that are most vocal about it. Not sure if that makes sense, but it drives me crazy. If he took the opposite viewpoint, it would be helpful.

 

[Huckleberry1]

i think both Belichick and Brady are the GOAT but for the national media and the country it will take that much to be in the discussion and more to end it. If they both get 2 more lombardi's then there shouldn't be a discussion, however there will still be those who wean to trot out the unbeaten in the SB argument, which is bullsh.t because losing Championship games doesn't make a player or coach better, which is really what they are arguing. Montana was 4-3 in NFC Championships, Brady will be 6-1 in AFC Championships if they win today, and 4-2 in the SB if they win their next 2 games. 6-1 in Conference Championships and 4-2 in the Bowl is better than 4-3 in Conference Championships and 4-0 in the Bowl. And that doesn't even include the many other categories where Brady will have the edge over Montana

 

[ALP]

i think both Belichick and Brady are the GOAT but for the national media and the country it will take that much to be in the discussion and more to end it. If they both get 2 more lombardi's then there shouldn't be a discussion, however there will still be those who wean to trot out the unbeaten in the SB argument, which is bullsh.t because losing Championship games doesn't make a player or coach better, which is really what they are arguing. Montana was 4-3 in NFC Championships, Brady will be 6-1 in AFC Championships if they win today, and 4-2 in the SB if they win their next 2 games. 6-1 in Conference Championships and 4-2 in the Bowl is better than 4-3 in Conference Championships and 4-0 in the Bowl. And that doesn't even include the many other categories where Brady will have the edge over Montana

if BB and Brady get 2 more lombardi's.....anyone who says they are not GOAT losses all credibility instantly, but instead of it being just NE fans and the NE region, it will be ALL football fans, and the whole USA

there is a limit to how much of a hater you can be, if these guys win 2 more (i can see it happening easily) and you try and argue they are not GOAT, you're simply dumb (you as in the person who says these things, not you as in ivan)

 

[Huckleberry1]

if BB and Brady get 2 more lombardi's.....anyone who says they are not GOAT losses all credibility instantly, but instead of it being just NE fans and the NE region, it will be ALL football fans, and the whole USA

there is a limit to how much of a hater you can be, if these guys win 2 more (i can see it happening easily) and you try and argue they are not GOAT, you're simply dumb (you as in the person who says these things, not you as in ivan)

Agree completely but you have to realize that it won't stop regardless of how many l
Lombardi's they win. As evidence simply look at the fact that there are people who are still trying to argue that Manning is a better QB than Brady, despite overwhelming evidence that it simply is not the case. as with that argument there are many who will come up with every possible convoluted argument to make their case. Sheeeeiiit there are those who claim that Manning not playing makes him the league MVP, and that's as whacked as it gets. They would give him MVP and Defensive Player of the Year if they could.

 

[DarrylStingley]

I actually think that if the Pats win one more Lombardi, it will take a lot of the steam out of the sails of the haters. They'll hate no matter what, but it will be harder to make their points.

Let's find out soon!

 

[Patriot Missile]

I miss Will McDonough's articles. I wonder sometimes how he would of viewed and wrote many of the topics over the years. I'm not sure if he would of changed with the times and became a blowhard like Borges and Ryan(who used to be very good writers)

 

[Huckleberry1]

I miss Will McDonough's articles. I wonder sometimes how he would of viewed and wrote many of the topics over the years. I'm not sure if he would of changed with the times and became a blowhard like Borges and Ryan(who used to be very good writers)

I actually think McDonough would have hated the Patriots because he was the ultimate insider and expected real insider access and information, and Belichick would not have provided it regardless of whether he respected McDonough or not because he feels it doesn't help his team and definitely could damage it. Imo this has always been the source of Borges anger at Belichick and the Patriots, even more than the Bledsoe decision. Borges believed he was heir apparent to McDonough and was furious when Belichick treated him the exact same way he treats every other journalist. He thought he was going to make a big name for himself as an NFL insider and when he couldn't even get insider information in his home town it diminshed his ability to get it anywhere else as well.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I actually think McDonough would have hated the Patriots because he was the ultimate insider and expected real insider access and information, and Belichick would not have provided it regardless of whether he respected McDonough or not because he feels it doesn't help his team and definitely could damage it. Imo this has always been the source of Borges anger at Belichick and the Patriots, even more than the Bledsoe decision. Borges believed he was heir apparent to McDonough and was furious when Belichick treated him the exact same way he treats every other journalist. He thought he was going to make a big name for himself as an NFL insider and when he couldn't even get insider information in his home town it diminshed his ability to get it anywhere else as well.

I'm not sure about that. Willie was a good 'ole boy old-school writer that had a deep respect for the NFL. He was tight with Tuna and broke the Tuna to the Jets story that really messed things up for the 96 Pats but all in all, I think BB respected Willie McD and even liked him...but certainly was wary of his zeal for breaking a big story. I mean...Willie would have been all over Spygate but the Matt walsh stuff, I think he'd discredit quickly.

Will McDonough , remembered | CapeCodOnline.com

Will McDonough , remembered
By CAPE COD TIMES
January 11, 2003 2:00 AM
Present and past members of the New England Patriots have vivid memories of former Boston Glove sports writer Will McDonough.

Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick:

"This is a terrible shock. Just three days ago, Will and I talked about the playoffs and he was his typical self - excited about the upcoming games, going through the matchups and, as usual, working angles that nobody else had thought of.

"That was Will - passionate about the game, extremely knowledgeable about the game but always looking for something new to add to his wealth of information and deliver it to the public - a true icon.

"I have many remembrances of Will, including playing golf on Nantucket, but my most vivid memory dates back to 1995, when he broke the news of the Browns moving to Baltimore. That was one of the biggest stories in NFL history, and Will was writing about it months before anyone had a clue."

 

[Huckleberry1]

RW, I agree that Belichick respected McDonough, I just think that his unwillingness to divulge information would have pissed McDonough off. Belichick wouldn't give his mother anything more than, "he's day to day," "it is what it is...."

 

[RobertWeathers]

RW, I agree that Belichick respected McDonough, I just think that his unwillingness to divulge information would have pissed McDonough off. Belichick wouldn't give his mother anything more than, "he's day to day," "it is what it is...."

I agree to a point. Willie knew how to cultivate his sources and build relationships and was never about injury reports or trying to publically show people up. Willie was certainly all about Willie but he wasn't a grandstander like Borges, Felger and Thomase that went out of their way to show people up or embarass them publically because they had something to proove. Keep in mind that BB has a long list of friends in the media that he'd divulge information to. Guys like Armen Ketayen, Michael Holley..and a lengthy personal interview with Bella English a few years back. All you need to do is be respectful of game and respectful of BB.

Thats why Willie was and because of that, I think Willie and BB would have continued to be fine if he hadn't passed away in 2003.

Oh, I just remembered that BB hired Willie's son as a scout for the Browns back in the 90s...that tells me there are some ties that bind there between the two.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I agree to a point. Willie knew how to cultivate his sources and build relationships and was never about injury reports or trying to publically show people up. Willie was certainly all about Willie but he wasn't a grandstander like Borges, Felger and Thomase that went out of their way to show people up or embarass them publically because they had something to proove. Keep in mind that BB has a long list of friends in the media that he'd divulge information to. Guys like Armen Ketayen, Michael Holley..and a lengthy personal interview with Bella English a few years back. All you need to do is be respectful of game and respectful of BB.

Thats why Willie was and because of that, I think Willie and BB would have continued to be fine if he hadn't passed away in 2003.

Oh, I just remembered that BB hired Willie's son as a scout for the Browns back in the 90s...that tells me there are some ties that bind there between the two.

All good points. ultimately it's impossible to know but you could well be right.

 

[PYPER]

Bob Ryan posits that Bill NEEDS a post-SpyGate SB for his legacy in today's Glove.....

While I agree that Spygate is a whole bunch of nonsense that was completely overblown, the truth is that it has had a HUGE impact on the public's perception of this team and all of their accomplishments. I'm not sure anything will ever "fix" that as people will always believe what they want to believe and many want to believe the worst regarding Belichick.

In that light, I agree with Bob Ryan position that BB needs to win a Super Bowl post-spygate. In fact, I think he probably needs to win multiple Super Bowls.

It'll be interesting, I mean extremely frustrating, when he's up for the HoF and we have to hear all the misinformation repeated as fact again. With all the talk about "cheaters" in baseball, I'm sure there will be plenty of blowback against Belichick. While he'll eventually get in regardless, if he doesn't win multiple championships post-spygate, I don't think he stands any chance his first time around. Even if he wins more, that still might hold true. It is, unfortunately, the sports media who votes.

I guess the bottom line is that none of us should really care about the critics. They live in their reality and we live in ours. We know how lucky we are to have him as our coach and will continue to cherish the memories his work has provided to us on Sundays.