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Kneejerk reactions: Post-Giants game final roster cuts edition

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It seems that if Brady goes down that we will be F'd regardless... so let's cut both Mallett and Hoyer to open up some roster space, and give the second string chores to Edelman. Sure he will suck but at least he can put his defensive expertise to good work after he throws a pick. Vince can be the 3rd stinger and wildcat QB.

What's scary is we only have 3 1/2 QB's and we play the Baltimore Pollards in Week 3. Not that I'm saying he's a dirty player, it just so happens that EVERY time we play him he coincidentally ends the season for one of the players on the Pats roster.

His time is due. Gronk, Solder and Vollmer... BB has called for the top secret "Squish Da Bi**h" play. Now GO GET 'EM!!
 
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....that he can tell the guys at Taco Bell all about at every closing shift starting next Tuesday.

while he serves up uncompleted Tacos.
 
This thread has strayed off course. Let me get it back on course.

Brady was riding the pine tonight. Clearly he's in Belichick's dog house. At this point, I don't see him as a lock.
 
What's scary is we only have 3 1/2 QB's and we play the Baltimore Pollards in Week 3. Not that I'm saying he's a dirty player, it just so happens that EVERY time we play him he coincidentally ends the season for one of the players on the Pats roster.

His time is due. Gronk, Solder and Vollmer... BB has called for the top secret "Squish Da Bi**h" play. Now GO GET 'EM!!

Karma has a way of evening things out. I can see Pollard suffering a career-ending knee injury at some point. Not that I WANT to see such a thing happen, mind you, but Karma, she's a beyatch.
 
Karma has a way of evening things out. I can see Pollard suffering a career-ending knee injury at some point. Not that I WANT to see such a thing happen, mind you, but Karma, she's a beyatch.
True and I wouldn't cry for Pollard.

For me, the rule of 3 has been satisfied and we shouldn't be cursed by him anymore (even if he didn't touch Welker).
 
True and I wouldn't cry for Pollard.

For me, the rule of 3 has been satisfied and we shouldn't be cursed by him anymore (even if he didn't touch Welker).

Concur. No tears from me either. Sew the wind, reap the whirlwind.
 
He didn't look great tonight. At one point he was being coached up by the big guy. This is going to be a real roster squeeze.

Outside of that one play Belichick reamed him out for (the scramble by Carr), I thought Dennard looked good. On the positive, he had that great play where he hit Bennet and caused an incompletion. He tackled soundly. I think he's exactly what we thought he was - a stout corner with good ball skills, who might be lacking a little in straight-line speed, but makes up for it while the ball is in the air.

I like what I saw from Dennard. I do not think he will make it to the practice squad if we cut him, unfortunately. And I do not know if he did enough to beat our Moore. I don't think he's competing against Cole; Cole seems to have secured himself a spot as backup nickel. I think it's Moore vs. Dennard as another guy on the outside.

And it's a tough one.
 
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What's scary is we only have 3 1/2 QB's and we play the Baltimore Pollards in Week 3. Not that I'm saying he's a dirty player, it just so happens that EVERY time we play him he coincidentally ends the season for one of the players on the Pats roster.

His time is due. Gronk, Solder and Vollmer... BB has called for the top secret "Squish Da Bi**h" play. Now GO GET 'EM!!
That dude is just bad JUJU. I jokingly said the same thing last year before the ravens playoff game, but then he touched Gronk and Gronk got hurt. So the joke was on me.
 
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Final cut....Koppen if and when Waters shows up.
 
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I missed the game last night? How beat up is Demps?

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Knee-jerk reactions:

Offense
This offense has struggled to score, struggled to block, struggled to get open, and struggled to catch during the preseason. Yet few are worried. Nor should they be. The starting line has yet to play together, the starting receivers have yet to play together. However the Patriots is entering the season healthy, the line is improving, and there is depth and explosion at both receiver and running back.

QB - not unlike the 2011 Colts. Great starter, but really unproven back-ups. The Pats the past couple seasons have moved away from the young-potential/experienced-mediocre combo's for young/young. A lot of teams opt to carry a Carr/Leinart complement - a guy with 10-20 games starting experience. Neither of these two QB's was able to generate much offense, much accuracy. Of course, Cassel looked awful in preseason in 2008, but I don't think looking awful then correlates with 11-5 performance from that sample.

RB - I think Bolden made the team with his pre-season at RB and ST* - with that big asterisk that he pretty much proved he's not a PR option. That's fine - Pats have Edelman and Demps who are both above-average PR. We could be surprised by Vareen to IR or Woodhead release, but it looks like Ridley, Vareen, Woodhead, Demps, Bolden. I think by Woodhead's absence his chances to make the roster improve. Interesting question is whether Kettani did enough to make the roster over an OL or defender.

WR - there was always a Sean Morey or Tiquan Underwood, a hero of the fourth quarters coming from the ranks of the late rounders and undrafted rookies. Not this year. Very limited WR depth now after Welker, Lloyd, Branch. And all the depth is really at slot - Welker, Branch, Hernandez, Edelman. After all sorts of depth at WR at both slot and flanker, now it's really just Lloyd as an outside receiver.

OL - in a very brief cameo, Vollmer looked comfortingly stable. Huge relief. Solder, Mankins, Koppen/Wendell, Connolly, Vollmer is better than the Cannon option. Very interesting that the Patriots have never, to my recollection, played Cannon at guard.

Defense
Across the preseason a huge improvement in the defense from last year. Better tackling, better pressure. Pretty solid run defense, and an improved front seven, even with the loss of the two top pass rushers. The biggest question is whether the improvement in the safeties can make up for continued weakness at corner.

DT - great depth here. Brace and Deaderick look pretty competent and should provide strong rotations. Big improvement from Brace. Deaderick has enough flexibility to take an LDE rotation if needed.

DE - some interesting depth here. I am not sold on Ninkovich at DE, and I didn't see what the Patriots did to feel so secure that he is the fulltime starter at LDE. Maybe Carter comes back in a couple weeks. Cunningham had his best month ever in August. Really a highlight of the defense in pre-season, with the first round rookies. Based just on game play, he made a lot more impact than Ninkovich. Scott looked good when he played, often against back-up but also early against the Giants starters. Scott also plays on a number of ST groupings, and seems to have played his way onto the team in the pre-season games. Francis was up and down. Bequette really dropped out of the rotation. So do the Patriots keep six (Jones, Ninko, Cunningham, Scott, Francis, Bequette)? That's a lot. Five, and drop either Francis or Bequette? Francis has outplayed Bequette, but Bequette carries that third-round spot and college production. Hard to read.

LB - if healthy, a really good run defense with three strong starters and a pretty versatile vet to back up all three spots. Not exactly 2004 with Colvin-McGinest-Vrabel-Bruschi-Phifer-Johnson, but the best LB rotation since 2007. I guess the final roster depends on Belichick's view of the Tracy White injury vs. Koutovides and Tarpinian. All three decent ST, all three poor defensive depth. Assume two of those three make it.

CB - pretty weak. McCourty and Arrington have clearly locked down the top two spots, but comparing them to league average I think both are below average starting CB performance. AFC Championship game darling Sterling Moore has a tendency to get out of position and has whiffed on some receivers. Ras-I Dowling looks stiff. Is Cole the #3 - this year's Arrington? Dennard may have the most potential among the back-ups, but showed little in the pre-season. Could they keep six here, based on the very limited differentiation between Moore/Dowling/Cole/Dennard?

S - depth has dramatically improved. Chung and Gregory are the best starters since what, Harrison/Wilson in 2006? The 2006 team had Harrison, Wilson, Artrell Hawkins, James Sanders. While Chung is no Harrison, the back-ups in Wilson and Ebner have looked better each game. Both Wilson and Ebner got a lot of derision in the draft. A second rounder not invited to any All Star games or the Combine? Huge reach! Wait, then a rugby player when there are still highly rated safeties on board, what? Wilson and Ebner have earned respect, and are a huge upgrade over Brown and Ihedigbo.

ST
If nothing else, we could have a Pro Bowl punter this year.
 
BB may roll the dice and hope Mallett is far enough along to do ok with the number ones. Hoyer didn't prove much tonite.

It would free up the roster for a spot where the extra player would provide more. LB is getting thin and the season hasn't even started. An extra OL might be neeed also. I think there are quite a few players that might provide more upside at their position than carrying 3 qb's.

Cousin, Have to agree. An extra roster spot makes sense. Especially if we all agree they performed about the same although I personally see more in Mallet.

Hoyer definitely regressed this off season. He was supposed to shine now. Anyone disagree with that? This was his 2013 audition for QB needy Teams. True his supporting cast in most cases was mediocre but in the last two years it was the same caliber and he fared better. I think a QB off the street or an early camp QB cut added on the Taxi squad is all you need to free up a spot. Edelman as you emergency #3.

I cannot see the value of keeping Hoyer and Mallet if they are about equal. After all of Hoyer's preseason game snaps that were not earth shattering, Mallet still made me more comfortable watching him play than Hoyer. It looks like Mallet can make a play at some point in his career as a starter. I no longer feel that way with Hoyer. I though someone might offer the Pats a pick for him this preseason. Nyet on that now. Way too indecisive this year. He also cannot move or has the right instincts to escape.

I don't see BB cutting Mallet. Remember this is really him first NFL preseason. He is a kid. Hoyer is gone in 2013 anyway. Why would you waste the snaps if you drafted Mallet as a possible long term Brady replacement?

Mallet is like the Forest Gump of QB's. The box of chocolates that you never know what you are gonna get. Remember he is still getting the least reps in practice and someone astutely put it out that Hoyer was working with the bottom end of the roster in these games. In practice I would assume Mallet is as well.

We have all watched preseason back up QBs of many teams lately. The two I am the least impressed with are ours, although Carr did not look like Joe Montana last night. I for one am still comfortable that Mallet can possibly pull one out with a fast ball here or there. He's not perfect but he has three less years than Hoyer. I do not have the same feeling about a game winner in Hoyer.

I think the roster is served better by just two QBs and a contributing on the field addition. Finally, no one has mentioned this, Mallet is way better in moving around and taking a hit than Hoyer is. Mallet is still correctable. Hoyer is what he is.

DW Toys
 
CB - pretty weak. McCourty and Arrington have clearly locked down the top two spots, but comparing them to league average I think both are below average starting CB performance. AFC Championship game darling Sterling Moore has a tendency to get out of position and has whiffed on some receivers. Ras-I Dowling looks stiff. Is Cole the #3 - this year's Arrington? Dennard may have the most potential among the back-ups, but showed little in the pre-season. Could they keep six here, based on the very limited differentiation between Moore/Dowling/Cole/Dennard?

I couldn't disagree with this more.
 
The offense has looked UGLY this preseason. I would not feel comfortable with either Hoyer or Mallett taking the reigns should #12 (knock on wood THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN) go down. I really don't see the difference in either guy. Hoyer is more accurate but has a noodle arm, so he can't make all the throws. Mallett is less accurate and has a cannon arm, so he can't make all the throws.
 
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The offense has looked UGLY this preseason. I would not feel comfortable with either Hoyer or Mallett taking the reigns should #12 (knock on wood) go down. I really don't see the difference in either guy. Hoyer is more accurate but has a noodle arm, so he can't make all the throws. Mallett is less accurate and has a cannon arm, so he can't make all the throws.

I don't know, the noodle arm made some throws last night. There is a difference between having adequate arm strength, a cannon arm and a noodle arm. I think Hoyer is adequate, not dramatically unlike Brady. Accuracy and decision making will trump cannon arm way more often than not unless you're running basically a vertical offense where receiver skillsets are a lot different than hereabouts. But even then those cannon arms have a way of biting you in the ass at the most inopportune and often mindnumbingly ridiculous times. If Bill threw the flag on time and Holley didn't inexplicably stop on his goal line route last night, the debate today would be trade Hoyer for a first or sign him to an extension (although neither would be valid).
 
The offense has looked UGLY this preseason. I would not feel comfortable with either Hoyer or Mallett taking the reigns should #12 (knock on wood) go down. I really don't see the difference in either guy. Hoyer is more accurate but has a noodle arm, so he can't make all the throws. Mallett is less accurate and has a cannon arm, so he can't make all the throws.

You may want to rephrase that.
 
I think that both backup QB's looked poor last night and I pray nothing ever happens to Tom Brady. Mallett is just NOT ready to be the guy one snap away at this point. He is slow to react, sloppy footwork, locks on his receivers, and tries to force the ball in there. (Sounds alot like the QB that was here before TFB took over) I know that Hoyer in the past has looked pretty good and he did make a few nice tosses last night (Holley had the catch that BB did not challenge, and if Holley had run the route to the EZ they would have had another score). Now onto to Holley....hope you had fun and got a nice rook haircut now time to pack your bags. Same with Dennis. Bolden showed some positive stuff last night against the Gint scrubs but not enough....that combined with ANOTHER dropped punt and I would imagine Bolden to the PS....or gone. Cannon looked pretty sloppy again in this game...maybe he is out of his comfort zone position wise.....not sure the kid is going to make it here. Secondary: Sterling Moore needs to go. Just horrible. Sergio Brown sure made some nice plays last night....but don't think it is enough for him to make it. I-Dowling seems like he is still not back from last year's injuries....looks slow and mechanical. Ebner is a good "fill in guy", and a GREAT tackler/hitter.......just please don't leave him in a situation where he is one on one with ANYONE. He looked lost last night alot. Like they said, he played very little football....and alot of Rugby. Would love to see him primarily on ST and in dime packages where he will provide support/group coverage. Love the guys fire and raw ability....but he is raw. DL: Brace quit on several plays last night which was a bit alarming.....but he will obviously make it. Cunningham I think did enough to make the team....I know there is some speculation that he will not make it....just can't see that angle. Not sure about Bequette,Scott or Francis......and not sure what will happen with Demps. I hope he is not badly injured. Love the kid's fire and field awareness. He could be a weapon in MANY ways if he can get/stay healthy. Oh....and Zoltan ROCKS!!!!!!!!
 
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