Tebow to Pats rumor

[ausbacker]

I don't think Tebow has much chance to end up with the pats. However, I am big fan of his and hope he turns into a very QB. Denver may regret the day they traded him for an aging QB who hasn't played a down in over a year. Even if Peyton is healthy it is going to take him a long time to get comfortable in the pocket.

Given your position and the fact that John Elway can't get rid of Tebow fast enough, that says a lot to me about his thoughts on Tebow's competency and ability to command a Pro style NFL Offense.

I'm not sure you have to play the option for Tebow to be an effective Quarterback (assuming he improves his accuracy and pass completion percentage) but they need to be a heavy run first team.

 

[chumpchange]

That's clearly a falsehood.

Note the use of the colon, not a period, after the word 'game' in my post.

 

[Bella*chick]

I feel for Tebow, even though I was thoroughly sick of him by the end of last year. He did a lot of things no one thought he would be able to do in Denver last year, sometimes through sheer force of will. And he gets unceremoniously kicked to the curb. I know, I know......all I hear on sports talk radio is how he shouldn't be upset because it's PEYTON MANNING and omg, how do you pass up PEYTON MANNING, and it's a bit of a compliment really because it's PEYTON MANNING and oh, how awesome would it be to relinquish your job to PEYTON MANNING and learn under PEYTON MANNING because omg, it's PEYTON MANNING and you just can't blame them. I get it. I think Tebow is a poor QB but probably a pretty great football player. He has that intangible quality. That said, I don't see that we're a good fit for him right now. But I hope he doesn't go to the Jets because I do think he's a winner with the right attitude. I don't want that to infect the rest of the Jets, KWIM?

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I keep swearing I'm done with this debate, but I keep getting drawn back in.

Why is sitting even a future HOF QB for a few plays to diversify your offense "insane?"

What about obvious QB-sneak situations where Brady now says a quick prayer, locks his knee brace and throws his 35 year old body into the middle of a bunch of 350 pounders and we all hold our collective breath that some galoot doesn't land on his ankle or knee at a funny angle and end his career or season? Is it "insane" to think that it might be possible that Brady and the Pats would be better off if a guy ten years younger and a lot more mobile took those snaps and hits?

And, what's wrong with an offense that throws a few wrinkles at an opponent when it needs to move the chains or pick up a big chunk of yards? A guy in the backfield four or five plays a game who could take a hand off or even a direct snap or be a threat to take a pitchout and run an option or just plain be a decoy might not be all that bad.

Let's face it, it's been eight years now since the Pats offense made the first downs it had to make to win the last game of the season. It's not too far-fetched to say that the Belichick/Brady Patriots are just two or three First Downs away from six Lombardi's (06, 07, 11). So, why is it "insane" to suggest that there might be another way of going about things as Brady comes to the end of his career? "Plan A" has come close but hasn't closed the deal in a long time.

And, what's "insane" about thinking that maybe the Pats could prolong Brady's career at a high level by another season by taking some of the heat off him over the next two years?

I'm not arguing that they should bring Tebow in. In fact, this debate is actually moot because it's virtually certain that Jacksonville or someone else will give Elway a lot more for Tim than the Pats would, but why is it "insane" to talk about it as an option?

Right and what's wrong with replacing a Rolls Royce with an AMC Gremlin?

When Brady's time is done, he'll be done, in the meantime I think he'll get along just fine without Tebow's help.

Am I living in some alternate ******* universe or something. Is up down? Is black white? Are we really having these conversations?

Is it me?............. It's them?...............right?

 

[Banjo]

Tebow is the locker room leader the Jets desperately need. Also I would bet money on Tebow replacing the Sanchize within eight games

 

[grux]

Given your position and the faxt that John Elway can't get rid of Tebow fast enough, that says a lot to me about his thoughts on Tebow's competency and ability to command a Pro style NFL Offense.

I'm not sure you have to play the option for Tebow to be an effective Quarterback (assuming he improves his accuracy and pass completion percentage) but they need to be a heavy run first team.

Agreed. Elway forgot more than I know about how to play QB. If Tebow was your starter this season, you better have a good ground attack. I just like Tebow's work ethic and think his accuracy will improve.

 

[Deus Irae]

Note the use of the colon, not a period, after the word 'game' in my post.

I noted your entire post.

 

[grux]

The team that wants Mallet better be prepared to give us a damn good player or high draft pick. Belichick likes how Mallet is progressing.


The majority of Mallett's practice time comes with the scout team offense, but the positive aspect there is he plays against the Patriots' first-team defense. Belichick said that can be a very valuable learning tool, too, and noted how it helped Phil Simms develop as a rookie in 1979.
"I think those reps are good, too, because as a quarterback, you make that competitive," Belichick said. "You're trying to complete a pass and execute a play against a defense that sort of knows it's coming, and they're sort of geared to stop it, hopefully. That's a competitive situation, too. I remember my first year at the Giants, one of the things that I did as a special teams coach was kind of run the scout team offense for the defensive coaches. That was Simms' rookie year, and he wasn't playing a lot, so he was the scout team quarterback. I really gained a tremendous appreciation for Phil in that season of just how good he was, how accurate he was.
"When we would have a route drawn up on the card, and throw it to this receiver, and there are four guys around the receiver, and he still could get it into them. I remember walking off the practice field a number of days saying, 'Man, that guy can really throw the ball accurately. This guy is going to be a good quarterback.' He had some other things he needed to get straightened out, but just in terms of throwing it to a spot, threading the needle -- which in practice you can do; it's not always recommended in a game, but in practice you're supposed to throw to a guy -- and there's three or four guys there, and you find a spot and sling it in there, and he could do that. I'm not comparing [Mallett] to Phil Simms now, but I'm just saying it's that same opportunity for our other quarterbacks, Ryan, Brian. But Mallett has made some impressive throws in practice."

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

Note the use of the colon, not a period, after the word 'game' in my post.

You'll never see anything of substance from that particular joke. He breathes in lots of hot air, and exhales here.
He is Captain Contrarian. He goes after any post he deems "unworthy" and tries his best to poke holes in it. I think he flunked out of law school... or maybe he was valedictorian? Likely the former, but as likely the latter (my apologies to all you hard-working defense lawyers! You're often screwed, so... bottoms up! LOL)

He thinks he owns the place... I like to call him, "De-ouche Irritae (It's probably a coloring book)".

 

[letekro]

I'm geting a flashback to 2001 when the Bledsoe Krishnas lamented the way in which TFB was winning games. Long passes forced into coverage even with picks galore were more important than winning games. Style over substance. Still Uber Alles!

Tom Brady was a better quarterback than Drew Bledsoe in 2001. I saw it, you saw it, BB saw it. No doubt, however, that the team also played better once Brady took over even though Bledsoe was the established star. This is a common phenomenon in sports. Bill Simmons calls it the "Ewing Theory". The Broncos, especially their defense, played inspired football under Tebow. Although you could say Tebow was indirectly responsible for their improved play because the team responded to him, they won in spite of his play, not because of it. Leading a long drive after 10 straight 3 and outs is not quality quarterbacking, even if it comes at the end of the game.

 

[JMarr]

Elway is already taking enough flak from much of their fanbase over this. Even though many of them acknowledge the deficiencies in Tebow's game, they still believe all he needs is more seasoning. The smart move is to keep Tebow on their roster as insurance and/or Manning's "understudy." Elway trades/cuts him and

1. he gets basically nothing back
2. further alienates most of their fans
3. if Manning goes down at any point and Tebow is gone, the natives will start grabbing the pitchforks

I think he stays right where he is.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

Leading a long drive after 10 straight 3 and outs is not quality quarterbacking, even if it comes at the end of the game.

This, all day and night.
Tim Tebow is not the answer, nor is he even a realistic option, for this team, ever!

You Tebow optimists and apologists are dog gone fools. He sux as a QB. He's great as PR fodder. This team is flush on the PR angle, so we don't need sux at QB.

 

[chumpchange]

You'll never see anything of substance from that particular joke. He breathes in lots of hot air, and exhales here.
He is Captain Contrarian. He goes after any post he deems "unworthy" and tries his best to poke holes in it. I think he flunked out of law school... or maybe he was valedictorian? Likely the former, but as likely the latter (my apologies to all you hard-working defense lawyers! You're often screwed, so... bottoms up! LOL)

He thinks he owns the place... I like to call him, "De-ouche Irritae (It's probably a coloring book)".

I'm going to go ahead and doubt the lawyer thing, because he apparently doesn't know the stylistic difference between a colon and a period. Or for that matter, the stylistic difference between an NFL QB and a street ball playing, slow running back masquerading as a quarterback.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The Tebow to the Pats acolytes here need to consider and answer this having ignored my cap cost issue.

If Tebs to the Pats as a red zone player and/or few gimmick plays is such a valuable asset to possibly already the best offense in football wouldn't he be even more of an asset to Denver in the same capacity? Manning is less healthy than TFB and may be the only QB in the NFL less mobile than Tom.

 

[chumpchange]

Elway is already taking enough flak from much of their fanbase over this. Even though many of them acknowledge the deficiencies in Tebow's game, they still believe all he needs is more seasoning. The smart move is to keep Tebow on their roster as insurance and/or Manning's "understudy." Elway trades/cuts him and

1. he gets basically nothing back
2. further alienates most of their fans
3. if Manning goes down at any point and Tebow is gone, the natives will start grabbing the pitchforks

I think he stays right where he is.

I bet that never happens in a million years. There is no way Manning will have Tebow on the same team. No Hall of Famer is going to tolerate attention being deflected from him by all the baggage and the rabid fan base Tebow brings. Plus, Elway always look visibly sickened by Tebow's style of play. I bet this is going to be a quickie trade and Tebow's out of that building as soon as humanly possible, probably by the end of the week.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

If Denver wants to get rid of him badly enough, they'll take the hit if there are no takers for him at full price. If I'm Tebow, I'm not going to make that easy for them.

This isn't MLB, they can't take the hit. Whomever trades for him trades for the contract.

 

[JMarr]

I bet that never happens in a million years. There is no way Manning will have Tebow on the same team. No Hall of Famer is going to tolerate attention being deflected from him by all the baggage and the rabid fan base Tebow brings. Plus, Elway always look visibly sickened by Tebow's style of play. I bet this is going to be a quickie trade and Tebow's out of that building as soon as humanly possible, probably by the end of the week.

You could be right, but I just don't think Manning will see Tebow as a threat at all. Manning will never be demoted in favor of Tebow as long as he's healthy. Manning is a huge risk for Elway and keeping Tebow in the wings is the best insurance he has, especially from a PR standpoint. And as was stated above, the Broncos can probably make damn good use of Tebow as a non-QB in a variety of ways, much more than the Pats could.

 

[letekro]

Elway is already taking enough flak from much of their fanbase over this. Even though many of them acknowledge the deficiencies in Tebow's game, they still believe all he needs is more seasoning. The smart move is to keep Tebow on their roster as insurance and/or Manning's "understudy." Elway trades/cuts him and

1. he gets basically nothing back
2. further alienates most of their fans
3. if Manning goes down at any point and Tebow is gone, the natives will start grabbing the pitchforks

I think he stays right where he is.

Denver is largely a religiously conservative, devoutly christian place. I believe it is headquarters of the Promise Keepers, a large group of certifed christian wackjobs. If Manning has a bad game, those folks will come out of the woodwork. Elway smartly wants to avoid that scenario at all costs. Likeliest scenario is an outright release. With Tebow gone, those folks will go back to looking for Jesus in their frosted flakes.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Tebow is the locker room leader the Jets desperately need. Also I would bet money on Tebow replacing the Sanchize within eight games

LOL Works for me. He would tear that team apart in ways Sanchize could only dream of... Santonio would love going from being invisible to Sanchize to attempting to catch the stray Tebow heave. :bricks:

 

[IllegalContact]

tebow is the perfect ingredient to send the jets backwards for another 8 years. I don't even think that rex can handle the modern day savior