Moves I Think Should Still Be Made

[PatriotReign]

Is Wimbley out of the question cap wise ? if so I'd like Anderson back. Y. Bell would be decent and Castillo.

I think he was looking for 10 million a year.

 

[BradyFTW!]

This thread is made of fail.

 

[NEboiTB]

The only player I would like to see us make a push to sign would be Kamerion Wimbley. He can replace Anderson or Carter as one of our main pash rushers. However, I think his asking price might be a bit to high for BBs liking.

I think the list has some good names for depth purposes, which seems to be the main priority right now.

 

[PatriotReign]

The only player I would like to see us make a push to sign would be Kamerion Wimbley. He can replace Anderson or Carter as one of our main pash rushers. However, I think his asking price might be a bit to high for BBs liking.

I think the list has some good names for depth purposes, which seems to be the main priority right now.

Exactly. Or at the very least there will be plenty of position battles.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I'm sorry who are you again? If you made some worthwhile posts I might have remembered your name.

I'm sure you want the Pats to give Welker a massive contract for his past performace,not what he still can do. We have two late 1st round picks, Wallace is one of the best deep threats in the NFL, he would be worth the money, and is much younger than Welker.

Thanks for another post with substance! Welker fan boys need to think outside the box on how his departure could be a good thing. It's just an idea, let me here some of yours.

By having posted with substance, it's obvious why you would have zero comprehension who I am.

That's a given.

Yeah, let's pay huge money and a 1st rounder for an "elite" receiver, that is in the "most talented WR corps", with a "franchise" QB.....that is "explosive"....yet somehow manged to be 23rd in scoring and 24th in turnovers.

That's true Mensa there.

Thank god, BB didn't hire you for personnel decisions. We wouldn't have the players to win an intra squad scrimmage.

 

[Keyser Söze]

By having posted with substance, it's obvious why you would have zero comprehension who I am.

That's a given.

Yeah, let's pay huge money and a 1st rounder for an "elite" receiver, that is in the "most talented WR corps", with a "franchise" QB.....that is "explosive"....yet somehow manged to be 23rd in scoring and 24th in turnovers.

That's true Mensa there.

Thank god, BB didn't hire you for personnel decisions. We wouldn't have the players to win an intra squad scrimmage.

So that's all on Wallace? Lol, you kill me. Some on here cant imagine how we'd survive without Welker. GB and the Saints don't have a little white slot WR and have done well for themselves offensively. Our offense would obviously adapt if we got rid of him. I'm not anti Welker, I just don't want to give him big money for what he's done in the past. Not good business.

Still waiting on that substance part. I think you meant Wallace sucks because Pitt didn't have a top offense. Then again your post wasnt too coherent. The quotations doesnt emphasize your point either.

 

[DW Toys]

The only player I would like to see us make a push to sign would be Kamerion Wimbley. He can replace Anderson or Carter as one of our main pash rushers. However, I think his asking price might be a bit to high for BBs liking.

I think the list has some good names for depth purposes, which seems to be the main priority right now.

Move I think should be made that I mentioned in another post. If you have seen it don't look. This would rival Mario's impact to the Bills!
You saw what the Bills paid Mario. Allen is $11m in 2012 and $13m in 2013.

Would you swap a first and third to the Vikes for Jared Allen?

We will blow one of the first rounders anyway to down trade for "value". Which has not worked that well. Let's really trade for value then!

Why for the Pats?I see a perfect fit for the Pats.

I see a contract extension to get the $ down.

I see a guy like Allen might go after a ring

I see help for Brady to get more rings....now....not three years from now while kids develop. Why do people not understand this?


Why for the Vikes? They are obviously taking the younger route.

Allen won't cut his Salary for a Team that has not chance for him to get a ring.

If the Vikes move Allen he saves them CAP space and dollars.....And the biggest part of the deal,

they have a first rounder late to go get Wallace from the Steelers who everyone knows they can't match $

and the Vikes now have CAP space to trade to tandem with Ponder and add to Harvin and Rudolph.

The fan base won't go crazy if they dump Allen if they bring in Wallace to help Ponder.

The Vikes have two very good young DEs who are behind Allen.

Pats walk away with Allen and what FAs we have landed and pick up some depth for the next few years while have someone who is younger than Carter and bigger than Anderson at 6' 6" and 270lbs and had more sacks (22) than both combined.
The rumor they will move him is out there.
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[IcyPatriot]

What's up with our long snapper ...

 

[blackglass3]

I like the Allen idea, DW. We should have grabbed him back in his KC days, and we should make a move for him now if Minn is looking to deal.

However, those things usually happen draft day weekend with the Pats playing chicken. Fingers crossed they work something out and get him in here.

 

[TealSox]

First of all, Wallace isn't the dominate WR everyone is making him out to be. His stats in the second half of the season scare me...

Where are the 100 yard receiving games?

And the 20+ yards per catch games?

Three touchdowns after week Seven?

Back to the point...

Pats still NEED TO:

1. Lure/Sign Brian Waters back

2. Lure/Sign Matt Light back

3. Re-sign Mark Anderson

4. Sign Luis Castillo

5. Bring Gerard Warren into camp

6. Put an offer on the table for BJGE - if he signs after running around the country, great... if not, the Pats get the next guy.

7. Call the Eagles to see what the price is for Asante Samuel - they are considering releasing him and while the Patriots don't want that contract, they could kick the tires on a guy that grew up in this defense/team.

8. Manipulate the way through the draft and get future picks, while still drafting depth and talent.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

So that's all on Wallace? Lol, you kill me. Some on here cant imagine how we'd survive without Welker. GB and the Saints don't have a little white slot WR and have done well for themselves offensively. Our offense would obviously adapt if we got rid of him. I'm not anti Welker, I just don't want to give him big money for what he's done in the past. Not good business.

Still waiting on that substance part. I think you meant Wallace sucks because Pitt didn't have a top offense. Then again your post wasnt too coherent. The quotations doesnt emphasize your point either.

Yeah and if your aunt had a......well,.....actually it would still probably be your aunt. Maybe that explains it.

Hey, Einstein, the Pats have different personnel than the Saints or Packers. All three teams don't have a Mike Wallace. So let's just sprew pointless.

This will probably fly WAY over your head but "elite" offenses tend to score and not turn the ball over. Ya might want to grasp that concept before "responding" that you don't understand.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

First of all, Wallace isn't the dominate WR everyone is making him out to be. His stats in the second half of the season scare me...

Where are the 100 yard receiving games?

And the 20+ yards per catch games?

Three touchdowns after week Seven?

Back to the point...

Pats still NEED TO:

1. Lure/Sign Brian Waters back

2. Lure/Sign Matt Light back

3. Re-sign Mark Anderson

4. Sign Luis Castillo

5. Bring Gerard Warren into camp

6. Put an offer on the table for BJGE - if he signs after running around the country, great... if not, the Pats get the next guy.

7. Call the Eagles to see what the price is for Asante Samuel - they are considering releasing him and while the Patriots don't want that contract, they could kick the tires on a guy that grew up in this defense/team.

8. Manipulate the way through the draft and get future picks, while still drafting depth and talent.

It appears someone took the time to actually study the reality Mike Wallace.

Who knew.:rocker:

 

[supafly]

It appears someone took the time to actually study the reality Mike Wallace.

Who knew.:rocker:

I think that you and I may have a better read on Wallace, as we (unfortunately) have to be stuck watching a lot of the games living in Pittsburgh. I'm not saying that necessarily makes us 'experts' on the situation, but it seems many here just see him a few times a year, and they may not be privy to his all around level of play, etc.

Other than that stretch of reasoning, I can't really think of any concrete evidence that would lead anyone to really want him here--especially at that price (we'd pretty much be setting the market for him, the parameters are certainly there, but it could be anywhere from 8-11 million per), and that kind of precious first rd compensation.

I think that many here are simply taking into account the fact that this team has somewhat of a need for an outside the numbers WR who can open up the underneath routes and tie up some safety help. That need is certainly nowhere near the same now with the addtion of Llyod, and to a much lesser extent, possibly even Stallworth (at times). This doesn't even take into acct the possibility of a draft pick at the position, which may or may not happen.

I am surprised that so many are throwing out any knowledge of past Belichickian tendencies and patterns, b/c there hasn't been much, if any reason to believe that M.Wallace was ever really on our radar. BB would probably not trade away a very precious 1st rd pick, especially now in the age of the rookie cap where salaries are much lower, and the gamble isn't as great. It's how you continue to build a team, while the idea of giving all of that up for Wallace would seem to point towards the exact opposite.

That all said, I still hope someone makes a move for him on some team; although I think that's very doubtful. However, I always love to see Steeler fans the slightest bit unhappy, and the potential unhappiness with the loss of Wallace intrigues me.

In my opinion, there are still a ton of question marks regarding Wallace. I think he has potential, particularly in that specific offense where they play a lot of backyard football; but I also think it's a huge gamble that you don't even consider giving that kind of money too, let alone the combo of big money AND a first round pick.

If BB wanted any kind of WR that drew a 1st rd pick as compensation, my guess is that he could find a lot more viable candidates to potentially come here than Mike Wallace.

 

[supafly]

I'm sure you want the Pats to give Welker a massive contract for his past performace,not what he still can do.

Welker fan boys need to think outside the box on how his departure could be a good thing.

I can repect your opinion on thinking outside the box a bit, and trying to cover all of the potential angles in the process. Everyone has their own opinion, so that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

However, you seem to be rather set in assessing Welker as moving in a downward trend. I don't think that's the case, at all..

There hasn't been any reason for us to believe that Welker is not going to put up some kind of median average number of receptions that will come from the past few seasons. It may not be 122, but there's not any reason as of now to believe that it shouldn't be between 85-110 or so; depending upon other variables such as increased targets from other players, etc.

I don't think it's any secret that Welker is still going to be the bread and butter of this offense, in regards to being Brady's go-to guy.

If you don't want to sign him to a 4 yr contract, then fine. That makes sense on some level. But I don't know what you're seeing that would lead you to believe that he will instantly make some type of decline? We're not expecting him to have top speed etc, just a good knowledge of the system, good timing and route adjustments, and a good football relationship with Brady. He's not the kind of typical WR that we necessarily need to worry as much about losing a step etc. He plays to his strengths, and that may allow him to have 2 or 3 more yrs of the same kind of output as we've expected here.

I respect your opinion, but I personally feel as though this team is instantly worse without the likes of Wes Welker.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

7. Call the Eagles to see what the price is for Asante Samuel - they are considering releasing him and while the Patriots don't want that contract, they could kick the tires on a guy that grew up in this defense/team.

I was agreeing with your post,,,,,,till I read that.

I honestly don't feel he is any better than what we already have. Asante was good at jumping one route. Thats about it. I would rather continue developing Moore, than see Asante come back. IMHO.

 

[supafly]

I was agreeing with your post,,,,,,till I read that.

I honestly don't feel he is any better than what we already have. Asante was good at jumping one route. Thats about it. I would rather continue developing Moore, than see Asante come back. IMHO.

I agree.

I also think that he's still going to command somewhere near top 10 CB money, which is of course..way beyond what the team would be interested in.

If they didn't have much interest in a versatile guy like R.Marshall at 5 1/2 million per year, they certainly aren't going to show any interest in a guy like Samuel.

On top of that, I can't help but believe that BB just doesn't see him as the same caliber of player that some here do.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

I think the ghost of Al Davis is infecting some of you. Wallace is very fast, but that is it. He's one of the most over-rated recieiver in the game right now.

Asanate is a ballhawk, but he can't tackle, can only play one side of the field, and refuses to play bump and run. The Eagles have been trying to trade him for years with no takers.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I think that you and I may have a better read on Wallace, as we (unfortunately) have to be stuck watching a lot of the games living in Pittsburgh. I'm not saying that necessarily makes us 'experts' on the situation, but it seems many here just see him a few times a year, and they may not be privy to his all around level of play, etc.

Other than that stretch of reasoning, I can't really think of any concrete evidence that would lead anyone to really want him here--especially at that price (we'd pretty much be setting the market for him, the parameters are certainly there, but it could be anywhere from 8-11 million per), and that kind of precious first rd compensation.

I think that many here are simply taking into account the fact that this team has somewhat of a need for an outside the numbers WR who can open up the underneath routes and tie up some safety help. That need is certainly nowhere near the same now with the addtion of Llyod, and to a much lesser extent, possibly even Stallworth (at times). This doesn't even take into acct the possibility of a draft pick at the position, which may or may not happen.

I am surprised that so many are throwing out any knowledge of past Belichickian tendencies and patterns, b/c there hasn't been much, if any reason to believe that M.Wallace was ever really on our radar. BB would probably not trade away a very precious 1st rd pick, especially now in the age of the rookie cap where salaries are much lower, and the gamble isn't as great. It's how you continue to build a team, while the idea of giving all of that up for Wallace would seem to point towards the exact opposite.

That all said, I still hope someone makes a move for him on some team; although I think that's very doubtful. However, I always love to see Steeler fans the slightest bit unhappy, and the potential unhappiness with the loss of Wallace intrigues me.

In my opinion, there are still a ton of question marks regarding Wallace. I think he has potential, particularly in that specific offense where they play a lot of backyard football; but I also think it's a huge gamble that you don't even consider giving that kind of money too, let alone the combo of big money AND a first round pick.

If BB wanted any kind of WR that drew a 1st rd pick as compensation, my guess is that he could find a lot more viable candidates to potentially come here than Mike Wallace.

Wallace is a good receiver. He's not close to mythical.

Maybe this has a mediot basis.

However, the "#1", "explosive" WR in an offense that was in the twenties in scoring and turnovers brings to question basic analysis.

 

[strongside]

fyi for those not in favor of a run at Wallace. I think that you lose creditability when you start your argument trying to sell us this garbage that he's not a good WR. If there is one piece of factual information in this discussion its that Wallace is young and really good.

The crux of the argument is the fit here taking all factors into account ($, loss of draft pick, etc)

For me, it all about defense. Pats have improved the O in some areas that were needed. Other than a few tweaks left on the offensive side, I wouldn't be upset if the focus for the rest of the teambuilding process is on D

 

[DW Toys]

I think that you and I may have a better read on Wallace, as we (unfortunately) have to be stuck watching a lot of the games living in Pittsburgh. I'm not saying that necessarily makes us 'experts' on the situation, but it seems many here just see him a few times a year, and they may not be privy to his all around level of play, etc.

Other than that stretch of reasoning, I can't really think of any concrete evidence that would lead anyone to really want him here--especially at that price (we'd pretty much be setting the market for him, the parameters are certainly there, but it could be anywhere from 8-11 million per), and that kind of precious first rd compensation.

I think that many here are simply taking into account the fact that this team has somewhat of a need for an outside the numbers WR who can open up the underneath routes and tie up some safety help. That need is certainly nowhere near the same now with the addtion of Llyod, and to a much lesser extent, possibly even Stallworth (at times). This doesn't even take into acct the possibility of a draft pick at the position, which may or may not happen.

I am surprised that so many are throwing out any knowledge of past Belichickian tendencies and patterns, b/c there hasn't been much, if any reason to believe that M.Wallace was ever really on our radar. BB would probably not trade away a very precious 1st rd pick, especially now in the age of the rookie cap where salaries are much lower, and the gamble isn't as great. It's how you continue to build a team, while the idea of giving all of that up for Wallace would seem to point towards the exact opposite.

That all said, I still hope someone makes a move for him on some team; although I think that's very doubtful. However, I always love to see Steeler fans the slightest bit unhappy, and the potential unhappiness with the loss of Wallace intrigues me.

In my opinion, there are still a ton of question marks regarding Wallace. I think he has potential, particularly in that specific offense where they play a lot of backyard football; but I also think it's a huge gamble that you don't even consider giving that kind of money too, let alone the combo of big money AND a first round pick.

If BB wanted any kind of WR that drew a 1st rd pick as compensation, my guess is that he could find a lot more viable candidates to potentially come here than Mike Wallace.

Anyone know what our actual CAP room left is?
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