Brandon Lloyd meeting with 49ers: Patriots are gonna blow it

[Brady_to_Moss]

deshaun jackson getting 51 mill..can't help the pats/lloyd situation like someone else said..who knows

 

[RIpats88]

with the 49ers visiting with Manningham/eddie royal I wonder how serious their interest in Lloyd is?

if schefter article is right and there has been limited interest from other teams around the league, it only makes sense that he would try and at least leverage with the pats and make it look like there is interest from other teams...

 

[Snake Eyes]

Your team only has a handful of players making $8/year. You are limited in the number of players that you can give that type of money to. Is Garcon really the player you want to give that money to? Is Garcon the player you want to sign when it will directly interfere with your ability to sign Welker? After all, you aren't going to have two players making that type of money at the WR position.

Personally, I don't think Garcon is all that special, nevermind someone making $8/year. I was shocked to see him sign the kind of contract. To me, it is a sign of a desperate team. It would be the height of stupidity for the Patriots, who are not a desperate team, to pay desperation prices for these types of players.

I think Garcon is an emerging stud and worth that money. Playmaking WRs cost money, unfortunately the market is driving their cost up, last season we paid $6 million last year to Ocho who was much older than Garcon and wasn't nearly as fast, I don't think an additional $2 million to someone with a lot more potential is that drastic, or we could just continue along our current path of just Welker with scrubs behind him.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I think Garcon is an emerging stud and worth that money.

:bricks:

 

[MP-Logick]

with the 49ers visiting with Manningham/eddie royal I wonder how serious their interest in Lloyd is?

if schefter article is right and there has been limited interest from other teams around the league, it only makes sense that he would try and at least leverage with the pats and make it look like there is interest from other teams...

The 49ers will not overpay for anyone...their new regime doesn't like to sign large FA contracts. I believe if Lloyd signs there it will be a very reasonable deal, meaning we would have had basically zero interest.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Team has been to 5 Super Bowls in 11 years ... that's a lot of blowing it.

what a dumb-azzed thread.

:bricks::bricks::bricks:

 

[TheComeback]

:bricks:

I'm inclined to agree with him. The guy made plays all over the place last year with one of the worst QBs in the NFL. He made plays all over us, for that matter.

 

[wcpatsfan]

This thread is an abomination.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Not me personally.

And I don't have specific examples.

But you see someone make a comment, or complaint, and it's "omg go play madden more" or "this isn't fantasy football moron"

Those things happen when idiot fans use Madden to claim that Welker is just a jag who limits the offense, or try to use their "expertise" as fantasy GM's to argue that he is only worth Leigh Bodden money. When you say stupid sh.t it tends to come back at you, and that is what you are using to claim the idiot haters are being treated unfairly.

 

[Snake Eyes]

:bricks:

Pierre Garcon Sick Catch - YouTube

 

[Dutchmaster617]

That isn't at all what I said. I said lack of talent was not the reason we lost the Superbowls against the Giants, and I stand by that assertion.



Big changes to a Super Bowl-caliber roster?

Well, good luck with that.

Agree to disagree, I see no point of worshiping a second place finish. The NFL is too competitive to be happy with just competing imo. That is fine in life but in the sports world most fans are all about having the best, thats why its so popular and addictive.

I want a 4th ring, NE winning 3 eight years ago, or being trash in 1992 shouldn't take away from that. (not quoting you here, just tired of hearing it)

 

[Rob0729]

with the 49ers visiting with Manningham/eddie royal I wonder how serious their interest in Lloyd is?

if schefter article is right and there has been limited interest from other teams around the league, it only makes sense that he would try and at least leverage with the pats and make it look like there is interest from other teams...

I have been saying for a while now that people are overrating the market for Lloyd. The general feeling around the league is that he is going to end up with the Patriots and he is a cancer underachiever for anyone other than Josh McDaniels.

I think the Pats are playing this right if they want Lloyd. They just sit back and let Lloyd and Condon realize there isn't a big market for him and then get him at a value.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

(SARCASM) OMG WE ARE DOOMED!!! WE'VE ONLY SIGNED SPECIAL TEAMERS AND ITS BEEN ALMOST 24 HOURS OF THE START OF FREE AGENCY. WE WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, WE WILL LOSE THE DIVISION AND WE WILL HAVE THE 2ND PICK IN THE 2013 DRAFT. THE PATRIOTS ARE DONE. WE JUST SUCK!!!


There is a lot of free agents available and we have a lot of firepower for the draft. LETS GO!!

Even the most pessimistic fans expect a top seed, that is the thing, nobody is saying we suck, just that we are one step away and wasting Brady's career holding back from that step.

 

[BSR]

I'm inclined to agree with him. The guy made plays all over the place last year with one of the worst QBs in the NFL. He made plays all over us, for that matter.

Garcon doesn't have a very good catch rate and even when playing with Manning wasn't a number one. Then you have to consider that there are more play makers at receiver than at any other position. Is he that match better than Lloyd or one of these other chapter receivers? I dont think so.

 

[Rob0729]

Even the most pessimistic fans expect a top seed, that is the thing, nobody is saying we suck, just that we are one step away and wasting Brady's career holding back from that step.

So the Pats are wasting Brady's career for not overpaying an average WR like Pierre Garcon top WR money? The fact of the matter is that none of the playoff teams from last year have been signing big free agents in the last 26 hours. And if you look through history you will see many of the big time free agents signed in the first day or two end up disapointing or even busting out.

Look at last year, I don't think there was a single high priced free agent other than Jason Babin who got more sacks than either Mark Anderson or Andre Carter and both were value free agents.

 

[Jangles]

Those things happen when idiot fans use Madden to claim that Welker is just a jag who limits the offense, or try to use their "expertise" as fantasy GM's to argue that he is only worth Leigh Bodden money. When you say stupid sh.t it tends to come back at you, and that is what you are using to claim the idiot haters are being treated unfairly.

Yeah that never happened.

and lol

You're still on the madden kick.

Literally the dumbest insult I've ever encountered. "omg madden fan what do you know"

lmao. Please stop using it. I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

So the Pats are wasting Brady's career for not overpaying an average WR like Pierre Garcon top WR money? The fact of the matter is that none of the playoff teams from last year have been signing big free agents in the last 26 hours. And if you look through history you will see many of the big time free agents signed in the first day or two end up disapointing or even busting out.

Look at last year, I don't think there was a single high priced free agent other than Jason Babin who got more sacks than either Mark Anderson or Andre Carter and both were value free agents.

How come no one ever mentions how average, or even garbage Ocho and Branch are at this point? So a Garcon, Wallace, Lloyd isn't a prime Rice but they still can play and the two guys we have can't. I can see this logic after the 07 loss but its obvious we have one WR and he is way too short to go deep.

If you look at history you see Pats can't win with bums off the street, focusing on Philly or other teams short comings doesn't change that. No other franchise has had a Tom Brady/BB, so why should we avoid talent because another team failed? You realize there is always a worse scenario, if we go 0-16 I could say "well x city doesn't even have an NFL team, at least we do", doesn't make it acceptable.

 

[BradyManny]

That isn't at all what I said. I said lack of talent was not the reason we lost the Superbowls against the Giants, and I stand by that assertion.

Well - the Giants roster was more talented with us missing [a healthy] Gronk.

If we had Gronk, then yes, we would've had the talent to win.

People can say the Pats missed opportunities out there on the field, and sure, it's easy to harp on them and daydream the what ifs. But Brady was 20-23 through a huge chunk of the game, this defense was keeping them out the end zone - it was a total grind and the Pats were going to have to play a perfect game to win without Gronk. For much of the game, they did just that. Unfortunately, the safety, the INT and a couple missed opportunities on defense tipped the scales.

But a larger point is that we shouldn't have to rely on our QB pitching a perfect game 19 times to win the Super Bowl. We have holes that our easy to shore up.

In that sense, yes - talent did play a part. If we had one more good player (Gronk, or a legit outside receiver), we do win.

The even larger point is that I agree with you. The panic re: our lack of moves through the first - and most mind-boggling hectic, nonsensical - day of free agency borders on laughable. What team made a move that suddenly makes them competition for us in the AFC? No one. And no one will. We are in the best shape out of everyone. This team is on the way up, not down.

 

[Rob0729]

How come no one ever mentions how average, or even garbage Ocho and Branch are at this point? So a Garcon, Wallace, Lloyd isn't a prime Rice but they still can play and the two guys we have can't. I can see this logic after the 07 loss but its obvious we have one WR and he is way too short to go deep.

If you look at history you see Pats can't win with bums off the street, focusing on Philly or other teams short comings doesn't change that. No other franchise has had a Tom Brady/BB, so why should we avoid talent because another team failed? You realize there is always a worse scenario, if we go 0-16 I could say "well x city doesn't even have an NFL team, at least we do", doesn't make it acceptable.

We don't mention how average or garbage Ocho or Branch are because neither are going to get $20 million in guaranteed money and $8 million a year. We mention it about Garcon because he is getting paid more money than some elite WRs in this league.

Look at history? Like last year? Granted the Pats had studs like Ocho and Branch on the team rather than the garbage players like Ocho and Branch that they are probably going to have this year. Now if the Pats could get studs like the 2011 Branch and Ocho, they will be good. You do realize the Pats were one Welker catch from going 13-3 in the regular season and Super Bowl champs?

As for the studs you mention, the Pats still can Lloyd and Wallace. Only Garcon has been signed and the Pats can sign him in two years when the Redskins cut him for being an overpriced bust.

I love trolls like you who show up in gameday threads when the Pats get down or after a loss and act like you actually know more than Belichick when you can't to understand the strategy you mock actually got the Pats to a Super Bowl which they had a very good shot of winning with about a minute left.

You want the Redskins' version of approaching free agency and that stategy has barely gotten the Redskins to the playoffs in the decade plus that Snyder has owned the team.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW, if the Pats are going to offer anything to Wallace, it won't be for a few weeks or even down to the wire. That is how making offers to tendered players work. The other team has seven days to match the offer so you don't want to be placed on hold while you are waiting for an answer. You also hope the other team start to commit whatever available cap space they have to other free agents so it makes it tougher for them to match their offer.

The only time a franchised or RFA gets an offer quickly is if the team who owns their rights are shopping him and want to free up the money they have reserved in a tender quickly. This isn't the case with Wallace.

So condemning the Pats for not making an offer to Wallace at this point is just plain ignorant. If the Pats plan to do it, there is no reason to even try for at least a week or two or longer.