The McDaniels Effect

[celticboy04]

Ok, I've got to ask.... Are you writing this crap because you're clueless, or because you're trolling? The Patriots ran the ball for 130+ in 4 of the last 6 games played in the 2007 season. The only 2 games during that stretch where they didn't get 130+?

Yes, indeed..... the two Giants games.

In fact, during the season, the Patriots ran for 130+ in 10 of 19 games.




Ok, you're clueless...

At this point, you're just a waste of time until you learn a little bit about the game.

Greetings,
You are right on this one. I remember to start the season Sammy Morris was on a great roll and then he was injured and missed the rest of the season. I think it was the Monday Night game against the Bengals. Also at that point Maroney was hurt as well, so for a while their was not much at runningback.

I also remember Maroney came back later in the season and many Patriot fans were getting real excited about him again, he looked like he could develop into a Pro-Bowler at the end of that year and the playoffs. The next year they set a Patriots record for rushing yards in a season with their running back by commitee approach, with JMD as their cordinator.

Celticboy04

 

[UofApatsfan]

Doesn't mean it is deserved.

That's your opinion. I'm just saying that's what you can expect to happen when he's the OC for 3 superbowls.

Yet, Cassell had more yards, a better completion rating, only 6 less TDs, and only 4 more INTs in 2008 when it was the first year he started since high school.

lol "only 6 less TDs, and only 4 more INTs"

He also had a better line, better receivers, and a much easier schedule in 2008. He's been an abject failure in KC outside of when Weis was his OC.

In 2003, the Pats had Branch, Patten, Troy, and Givens. In 2006, the Pats had Caldwell, Gaffney (who sucked until the playoffs), and Doug Gabriel. The 2003 offense wasn't that good. The 2006 should have been horrible with the receivers Brady had and no healthy consistent RBs.

David Patten played in 6 games total in 2003, while Branch and Givens were both in their 2nd season. Troy Brown was basically as productive in 2006 as he was in 2003 so idk why you didn't list him for the 2006 team. Additionally, they had nothing at running back. Antowain Smith in his 30s and Kevin Faulk. The 2006 team had much better running backs than the 2003 team. There's a reason they never ran the ball in 2003.

What does that have to do with anything? McDaniels got very good production from Kyle Orton in Denver eventhough he sucked as a head coach.

Too bad that "production" didn't lead to any wins.

Weis had to tuck his tail between his legs and go to KC after totally failing in ND.

Weis had two great years at ND and actually made Brady Quinn look like an NFL QB. He got a huge extension after that then lasted 3 more seasons. His failure at Notre Dame pails in comparison to McDaniels not even finishing his 2nd season in Denver while in the process dismantling Denver's roster. Unlike McDaniels, Weis was extremely successful in his job after Notre Dame. St. Louis's offense hugely regressed this year.

He wasn't completely unprepared. The Pats just couldn't run the ball because the o-line collapsed and the could barely throw either.

Sounds pretty unprepared to me.

You do realize the Pats scored the same amount of point on Sunday than they did in the McDaniels' Super Bowl? And Brady was fine until late.

They scored 17 points on Sunday and 14 points in the McDaniels superbowl. I wasn't aware 14 is the same amount as 17.

Besides, I am not the one judging an entire career as the Patriots' head coach on one game.

I'm not judging Bill Belichick's career based off one game.

 

[UofApatsfan]

Ok, I've got to ask.... Are you writing this crap because you're clueless, or because you're trolling?

I'm writing this "crap" because it's hilarious watching people try to defend McDaniels' performance in SB 42, or his performance in Denver for that matter.

Ok, you're clueless...

At this point, you're just a waste of time until you learn a little bit about the game.

Yup, that's it, I'm clueless. The offense being unable to execute a screen play isn't the offensive coordinator's fault at all!


I really do hope I'm wrong about McDaniels and hopefully his experiences in Denver and St. Louis have humbled him a little bit but I don't trust what changes he's gonna bring in to the offense. Getting a "deep threat" isn't something I see being successful.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm writing this "crap" because it's hilarious watching people try to defend McDaniels' performance in SB 42, or his performance in Denver for that matter.

No, you're writing the crap you're writing because you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'd originally wondered if you were trolling, but subsequent parts of your posts convinced me that it's a matter of your lack of knowledge, or poor application of such knowledge, rather than the deliberate tweaking of others.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Getting a "deep threat" isn't something I see being successful.

Especially if there are questions about Brady's accuracy on deep passes (which I believe there are now).

 

[BradyBranch39]

Judicious gunslinging is an oxymoron.

The Patriots bread and butter with Welker in the slot and two TE's is YAC. You don't get YAC in a gridlock situation. They need 1 or preferable 2 WR who can stretch the field horizontally, because Brady won't be upright long enough to benefit from vertically. And they need a RB teams have to game plan against so they can't single mindedly focus on stopping Brady and the short passing game.

Charlie wouldn't do any better here today than Josh or BOB. Different game and different era, different personnel and skillsets. That bullseye wasn't firmly planted on this team or this QB's back until after Charlie was long gone to ND. And Belichick was spending as much time with the offense as defense back then. On the sideline het altered the only play Charlie called that resulted in an offensive TD for the NEP in XXXVI. Charlie had a better balanced offense to work with in XXXVIII and especially XXXIX with Dillon onboard, the still cagey Brown in the slot, Branch and Givens, above average TE's compared to 2001, and a defense that could still make a stop. And yet we won each by a FG.

This is fine and all, but Miles Austin and Julio Jones aren't walking through that door.

 

[UofApatsfan]

No, you're writing the crap you're writing because you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'd originally wondered if you were trolling, but subsequent parts of your posts convinced me that it's a matter of your lack of knowledge, or poor application of such knowledge, rather than the deliberate tweaking of others.

1) Whether or not I'm intentionally trolling you're very butthurt over McDaniels' 14 point performance in superbowl 42. I wasn't aware it was arguably the best 14 point offensive showing in NFL history.

2) The fact you're only argument is an ad-hominem attack on how I lack knowledge about Josh McDaniels also tells me you don't know very much either tbh.

 

[Rob0729]

I'm going to say one more thing and be done with this argument. Go back and look at the play by play for the Patriots/Eagles Super Bowl. The Pats' offense went three and out like six times in that game. Yet, that makes Weis a genius and McDaniels and O'Brien morons. I guess they were quality three and outs.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

I think adding Matt Forte would be a MUST! Our running game isn't keeping D Coordinators up at nite. Forte would be a BEAST for us. When we had A Smith & C Dillion we won championships. We have to keep D honest.
Also locking up Welker via Tag or FA $igning cutting ties with Ocho adding Lloyd or Colston or Both. Don't know if its feesable with cap and our other needs on Defense but Forte/Welker/Colston/Lloyd/TE Duo Is Down Right SCARY!
I'm sure McDaniels would be a kid in a candy store with that to work with.

 

[mgteich]

So the answer to improving the patriots is too sign 4 top free agents on offense: Welker, Forte, Lloyd and Colston????/????????

I agree that our offense would be better with this re-signing and three additions.

I agree that McDaniels would a happy camper.
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SUGGESTION
If we really have enough cap room to sign FOUR major free agents, perhaps ONE of them should be on defense. Perhaps we should re-sign Andre Carter and Anderson or their replacements.

I think adding Matt Forte would be a MUST! Our running game isn't keeping D Coordinators up at nite. Forte would be a BEAST for us. When we had A Smith & C Dillion we won championships. We have to keep D honest.
Also locking up Welker via Tag or FA $igning cutting ties with Ocho adding Lloyd or Colston or Both. Don't know if its feesable with cap and our other needs on Defense but Forte/Welker/Colston/Lloyd/TE Duo Is Down Right SCARY!
I'm sure McDaniels would be a kid in a candy store with that to work with.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

So the answer to improving the patriots is too sign 4 top free agents on offense: Welker, Forte, Lloyd and Colston????/????????

I agree that our offense would be better with this re-signing and three additions.

I agree that McDaniels would a happy camper.
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SUGGESTION
If we really have enough cap room to sign FOUR major free agents, perhaps ONE of them should be on defense. Perhaps we should re-sign Andre Carter and Anderson or their replacements.

No I'm not saying it's'da ONLY answer but a significant one on offense. Look what happened when Gronk couldn't be 100% and there was no deep threat or legit receiver besides Welker. Forte would be key because he would add another dimension and control clock and move chains more consistantly than what we have.

Again I know there are other priorities to attend to. I said if it was feasable to work those players in cap room etc. It's quite obvious that a BB team ranked 31st on Defense is Unacceptable for BB standards. I'm sure that will be addressed as well.

 

[ctpatsfan1]

I know it's early to be thinking about this, but what kind of an effect do you think the influence of Josh McDaniels will have on the current offenseive game plan? Will it necessitate the Pats going after a legitimate wide receiver who can stretch the field? How about acquiring an every-down back (ala Cory Dillon)? Just something to chew on until the Draft and free agency.

perhaps my memory has gotten a little foggy but I seem to recall more screens to the TE's and RB's under McDaniels than BOB ever made. Its almost like they took out the screen plays from the playbook when BOB took over.

Also McD has always been willing to go to the trick play (reverse, flea flicker etc) much more than BOB.

And finally BOB was much more predictable than McD. Heck when I am calling the play just by the way they line up or who is in the huddle form the comfort of my couch what do you think opposing D's and DC's are able to do? Now how much of that is BOB and how much is Brady changing the play I don't know.

I am actually glad BOB has left and McD is back. Just 1 fans opinion.

 

[condon84]

Anyone arguing that McD or BOB is better than Weiss is crazy. Charlie may have had his faults and occasionally called dumb plays, but he was better at exploiting match ups where we had an advantage than Bob and Josh. He never worked with the Brady we have now, who is infinitely a lot better QB than he was when Weiss was coaching him, but was still able to put in him position where the success rate of plays called were tipped greatly to his advantage. Not to mention the overall talent that we have on offense now is greater than we had in Weiss's years yet we were still more unpredictable and harder to defend back then.

When we played the Steelers in the opening game of 02, Weiss had the nutsack to pass the ball something like 28 straight times even though we were a predominantly running offense. We were prepared and executed the game plan perfectly.

Another thing Weiss was great at was his ability to call the right play in crucial spots in the biggest games to convert a third down or get a TD. Now, it's all on Brady to read the defense and make the right decision.

I'll take his gameplans, playcalling and in-game adjustments over McD's and BOb's any day.