Who is the bigger a-hole?

[Kid~Brady]

I don't get your point. What does that have to do with Ray Lewis getting away with a crime?

Because that wasnt the point.

It was mentioned that because Ray Lewis is a MLB IN THE NFL, he basically got a break. FLoyd Mayweather just got sentenced to 90 days jail time for a domestic charge.

The point is sometimes it doesnt matter how rich your are or who you are, you can still do jailtime so that analogy doesnt hold water to me.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Yes, because divorce is unheard of in society now. Yes, what an ******* Tom Brady is for doing something comparable to something that happens in over half of marriages.

Thats what I said. But not everyone else in the world. Suprised?

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

It's Dem Teefs, but it's a close race... photo-finish.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I'm not sure what Ray Lewis is like outside of the NFL. I know that when he is representing the NFL, he certainly does it with the type of passion that makes me admire him. I've never disliked Ray Lewis. He's played for years and years with garbage quarterbacks, yet he'll never come out and publicly trash them. He's held together one of the best defenses ever for many years and been their leader. He is respectful of his opponent.

Terrell Suggs? I'm surprised this is even a comparison. Suggs is basically Joey Porter II. He is a loud-mouth, obnoxious, self-promoting jackass of the worst kind. He is a good pass rusher, but Haloti Ngata is the real problem for defenses.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I go Lewis by an eyelash. His murdering another human being was the deciding factor.

The circumstances around Lewis' plea deal and conviction in relation to the murder charges are murky.

Lewis claimed that he was unfairly charged in the first place. In any event, the prosecutors did not think they had the evidence to convict him on the murder charges and so allowed him to plea bargain down to Obstruction with probation in return for his testimony against the others involved. However, Lewis did settle a civil suit by the surviving child of one of the victims, implying that he was either trying to avoid further bad publicity or was concerned that he'd be found "responsible" under the lower standards of evidence of a civil procedure. The two men who were indicted for the murders were acquitted in court. Lewis' white suit from the night of the incident was, "mysteriously," never found.

So, I guess it's a case of "you stand where you sit."

If you are well-inclined towards Lewis and so are inclined to believe him, you probably think he was, as he alleged, unfairly charged for the murders in the first place and if you are not so inclined, you think that two murderers walked because of a sympathetic jury and the rich guy got off on a lesser charge because he could afford fancy Atlanta Lawyers. The irony is, of course, that Lewis is the only one of the three who was actually convicted of anything in the case.

That's a long way of saying, I voted for Suggs since he says a lot dumber things than Lewis.

 

[Terrell Suggs]

I know we can't have gimmick accounts, so I'd just like to welcome Terrell to the forum. See you Sunday.

No doubt baby. Ya'll fans do what ya'll do, and we'll put on a good show for you. Don't come soft now, when we come out that tunnel ya'll got to hit us with some good stuff. Because the beginning of the game is as loud as you gonna get before we SPANK.....THAT......@SS

 

[Modest]

No doubt baby. Ya'll fans do what ya'll do, and we'll put on a good show for you. Don't come soft now, when we come out that tunnel ya'll got to hit us with some good stuff. Because the beginning of the game is as loud as you gonna get before we SPANK.....THAT......@SS

Ugh. Why not a good respectable player like Ed Reed? Ed Reed is ******* awesome. Suggs is a whiny ***** with a vendetta.

 

[WeBB15]

This thread is making patsfans.com members look so judgemental and unintelligent. You would think we're on the Jests boards.

Judging a man for what hes done over a decade ago, even after he admitted his guilt by association and then on top of that, you forgetting about how he changed his life over the past ten years, inspiring millions of children and young football players, is just plain wrong. And if you think objectively, even if he actually was part of killing a man, seeing how far hes come in having a charitable sense for the world and how hes inspired millions of others to have a better life than he had, any human being with some sort of intelligence should respect the end result of his life actions.

I've now ignored about 10 members already on here now, lol

 

[randomk1]

Get into trouble, yes. Commit double homicide, no. If it was easy for Ray Lewis' situation to happen, it would happen far more often.

And it goes both ways - if Ray Lewis weren't a star MLB in the NFL, I'm sure he would've done time.

Are you kidding me? NFL players get into trouble all the time. The most recent off the top of my head...our own Meriweather.

 

[Terrell Suggs]

Ugh. Why not a good respectable player like Ed Reed? Ed Reed is ******* awesome. Suggs is a whiny ***** with a vendetta.

You got me confused with Skip Bayless

 

[UK_Pat37]

I guess you forgot the part where Ray Lewis was an accessory to the murder of two people.

:bricks:

Don't worry, a lot of people do. And people includes the media.

The world would be a better place without either of these a-holes. Suggs beat a woman; Lewis gets in fights and people end up dead. Screw them both.

Were you there? Thought not.

Did you see what happened? Thought not.

Innocent until proven guilty? Thought so. I'd back my mate up 9 times out of 10...would you?

EDIT: It's wise to get your facts right...obstruction of justice isn't the same as an accessory

 

[BradyManny]

Are you kidding me? NFL players get into trouble all the time. The most recent off the top of my head...our own Meriweather.

Yes, and he was released.

 

[BradyManny]

even if he actually was part of killing a man, seeing how far hes come in having a charitable sense for the world

:bricks:

Yes, even if he was part of killing a man, yeah who cares about that, right? That's nothing - since then he has perfected a tremendous pre-game dance and is prolific at spitting out the most cliched bullcrap you've ever heard, so we should forgive what he did 10 years ago.

Give me a break, man.

You can act like you're a better person than other people here. But if Ray Lewis couldn't tackle, and didn't have the faux-charisma he has, you a) wouldn't know who he was b) wouldn't give a damn about him c) would consider him a bad person.

Most NFL players are extremely charitable. That doesn't separate him from anyone.

What does is his personality, which is what you like about him - which is why you and others are defending him here. That's extremely obvious.

What's embarrassing is grown men getting starstruck with another grown man because he's a star athlete with a personality, and ignoring his past transgressions.

 

[PATSNUTme]

The collective IQ of this thread, which was low to begin with, just plunged about 100 points.

that would make the IQ of this thread -100.

But it is a perfect fit for the VLR where -IQ threads flourish.

 

[randomk1]

Yes, and he was released.

So? That's another example of a situation that we don't expect NFL players to be in.

 

[THELAWFIRM226]

This thread is making patsfans.com members look so judgemental and unintelligent. You would think we're on the Jests boards.

Judging a man for what hes done over a decade ago, even after he admitted his guilt by association and then on top of that, you forgetting about how he changed his life over the past ten years, inspiring millions of children and young football players, is just plain wrong. And if you think objectively, even if he actually was part of killing a man, seeing how far hes come in having a charitable sense for the world and how hes inspired millions of others to have a better life than he had, any human being with some sort of intelligence should respect the end result of his life actions.

I've now ignored about 10 members already on here now, lol

So basically what you're saying is that it's ok to take part in a murder as long as you give to charity after? His actions led directly to the loss of a human life and that is completely unacceptable. Ray Lewis deserves to be in prison for the rest of his life.

 

[BradyManny]

So? That's another example of a situation that we don't expect NFL players to be in.

That's fine - I never argued that NFL players don't get in trouble. They do. Star athletes do run in iffy crowds.

I don't deny that.

But Ray Lewis had to pay $1 million in a civil case as a result of a murder. That's a little unique. Meriweather and other situations might be comparable - but what do we think of Meriweather now?

Fans like Ray Lewis b/c he's charismatic. Fact. It's enough to overlook things we wouldn't overlook for other players. He does a dance. He says cliched things which some find inspirational. He has a fiery demeanor, voice and personality.

That's why you have folks coming out of nowhere to defend him in this thread.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

That fool has the ugliest mug on a football player since Jim McMahon. And that's saying something.

 

[UK_Pat37]

That's fine - I never argued that NFL players don't get in trouble. They do. Star athletes do run in iffy crowds.

I don't deny that.

But Ray Lewis had to pay $1 million in a civil case as a result of a murder. That's a little unique. Meriweather and other situations might be comparable - but what do we think of Meriweather now?

Fans like Ray Lewis b/c he's charismatic. Fact. It's enough to overlook things we wouldn't overlook for other players. He does a dance. He says cliched things which some find inspirational. He has a fiery demeanor, voice and personality.

That's why you have folks coming out of nowhere to defend him in this thread.

You really need to know exactly what happened. You've not only said the guy was involved in a murder, which was never proven as he was just found guilty of obstruction of justice for giving a misleading statement, and then said he was forced to pay.

He was never forced to pay anything. The family of one of the victims was threatening a lawsuit against him, and he settled it out of court. Whether or not he'd have been forced to pay anything is debatable, but he felt the need to settle it himself. He also made a settlement with the other family of the other victim from that night.

You want to make a judgement on a man you don't know? Fair enough. Yeah we all worked out he was there on the night, but I'm not going to sit there and judge a guy who you say was 'involved in the murder' when that was never actually proven.

Some of you yanks love to ignore the 'innocent until proven guilty' saying don't you. I'm not discriminating against all Americans, but I do see a trend in a lot of people.

It's not clear he killed anyone or was directly involved in it...he's an idiot for giving a misleading statement yes, and if you feel that's enough to say he was blatantly involved then I really hope you don't uphold the law in any form

It's called having a civil mind!

EDIT: This thread really is exposing some Pats fans anf giving us a bad tag. I really hope Ravens fans don';t judge too many of us by this thread.

Either way, even if Suggs talks a lot, at least he can back it up!

 

[BradyManny]

You really need to know exactly what happened. You've not only said the guy was involved in a murder, which was never proven as he was just found guilty of obstruction of justice for giving a misleading statement, and then said he was forced to pay.

He was never forced to pay anything. The family of one of the victims was threatening a lawsuit against him, and he settled it out of court. Whether or not he'd have been forced to pay anything is debatable, but he felt the need to settle it himself. He also made a settlement with the other family of the other victim from that night.

You want to make a judgement on a man you don't know? Fair enough. Yeah we all worked out he was there on the night, but I'm not going to sit there and judge a guy who you say was 'involved in the murder' when that was never actually proven.

Some of you yanks love to ignore the 'innocent until proven guilty' saying don't you. I'm not discriminating against all Americans, but I do see a trend in a lot of people.

It's not clear he killed anyone or was directly involved in it...he's an idiot for giving a misleading statement yes, and if you feel that's enough to say he was blatantly involved then I really hope you don't uphold the law in any form

It's called having a civil mind!

EDIT: This thread really is exposing some Pats fans anf giving us a bad tag. I really hope Ravens fans don';t judge too many of us by this thread.

Either way, even if Suggs talks a lot, at least he can back it up!

Innocent until proven guilty is a thing for the justice system in the courts.

Public opinion is something else. And why shouldn't it be? There are no practical repercussions for me connecting the dots in the case of Ray Lewis.

And I think you need to re-think how lenient you are being on the guy. You act as if the $1 million settlement was charity.