Two writers think Pats hiring McDaniels is unfair

[Wolfpack]

Seriously, man: did you expect me to have an opinion other than the one I've been defending WRT the fishy re-hiring of Joshy?

Go to the Denver forums, and almost to a man everyone thinks that it was yet another sneaky move by Belichick.

Seems to me like everyone over there almost to a man knows their team is going to lose so they're grabbing into to this as some lame preemptive excuse making.

And it is pretty funny how you and everyone are talking about how much McDaniels sucks but then also talking about how devastating it is that the Patriots grabbed him.

 

[BB4PRez]

I think fans in Denver do not understand (and writers chose to ignore or barely reference the facts to stir the pot) that once will O'Brien was leaving for Penn State, the Pats wanted McDaniels back regardless of who they were going to play in the playoffs. There is no one on the current Pats staff ready to take over the Offensive Cooordinator's duties. McDaniels can carry some of the workload while O'Brien is working two highly demanding jobs. The Pats have a complex offense that is difficult to learn on the fly (ask Chad Ocho Cinco). McDaniels and Charlie Weiss may be the only two coaches out there who can walk in off the street or another program and help pick up some of O'Brien's workload without missing a beat.

If McDaniels was not the former offensive coordinator of the Pats and O'Brien was not leaving for a new job then I could agree that the hiring while within the rules was "fishy" since it seems like the Pats are simply hiring someone for the primary purpose of gleaning information from a former inside source. However, since that is not the circumstances here, there really is nothing at all questionable or unethical about the hiring.

 

[Haley]

Go to the Denver forums, and almost to a man everyone thinks that it was yet another sneaky move by BB.

There is a difference between what people want to believe and reality.

Occam's razor would suggest that we needed an OC and we hired someone who was a known entity already familiar with our style of offense. Not that we hired someone to a long term contract for the benefit of single game.

This conspiracy theory does not become you. It makes you sound small. I hope you will reconsider this ill-conceived theory you wish to use to besmirch BB and the NEP. May logic prevail.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Yes, they did.

But that doesn't change the fact that the path to Tebow Street and Thomas Avenue was littered with countless worthless bodies in the gutter: Cutler, Marshall, Hillis, and Scheffler among many others.

Fixed that for you.

Your antibiotic analogy was even worse than the fish crap. Bowlen's mistake was failing to take the drug for the prescribed period and then blaming the doctor who prescribed it for it not working. Most total overhauls that include culture changes take at least 3 years to yield lasting results and Bowlen made the mistake of listening to frontrunning fans who like yourself who have no loyalty or patience for anything but winning now.

 

[Armchair Bronco]

There is a difference between what people want to believe and reality.

Occam's razor would suggest that we needed an OC and we hired someone who was a known entity already familiar with our style of offense. Not that we hired someone to a long term contract for the benefit of single game.

This conspiracy theory does not become you. It makes you sound small. I hope you will reconsider this ill-conceived theory you wish to use to besmirch BB and the NEP. May logic prevail.

I'm simply suggesting that BB could have done what countless politicians and judges before him have do to eliminate even the appearance of impropriety: he could have said that McD was his guy, but that *if* NE had to face Denver in the playoffs, he would ask Joshy to recuse himself.

Doing that would have satisfied everyone.

Anyway, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Neither side seems willing to budge.

 

[PatsDeb]

I'm simply suggesting that BB could have done what countless politicians and judges before him have do to eliminate even the appearance of impropriety: he could have said that McD was his guy, but that *if* NE had to face Denver in the playoffs, he would ask Joshy to recuse himself.

Doing that would have satisfied everyone.

Anyway, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Neither side seems willing to budge.

Ha ha ha! Josh, we slandered you and ran your posterior out of town, so now could you and your new boss do us a little favor?

 

[captain stone]

I'm simply suggesting that BB could have done what countless politicians and judges before him have do to eliminate even the appearance of impropriety: he could have said that McD was his guy, but that *if* NE had to face Denver in the playoffs, he would ask Joshy to recuse himself.

Doing that would have satisfied everyone.

Are you joking, or really that dumb?

 

[Armchair Bronco]

Are you joking, or really that dumb?

Let's see if the NFL institutes a new set of rules to clarify under what conditions teams can hire coaches during the post-season. If, two years from now, such rules are NOT in place, then I will return to this site, resurrect this thread, and admit that I was wrong.

 

[Armchair Bronco]

Ha ha ha! Josh, we slandered you and ran your posterior out of town, so now could you and your new boss do us a little favor?

Slandered? Seriously? I'm going to quote from someone over at OrangeMane.com who today offered up the following assessment of Josh's time in Denver. You may not like this summary, but it is what it is, and I agree with all of it (although I am not the original author):

The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community - View Single Post - McD is Horrible

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"I’ll be honest in my opinion of McDaniels.

To me, he is Denver enemy #1. He brought embarrassment and disgrace to our proud organization. The 59-14 loss where he was standing alone on the sideline staring at the ground the entire game is what really did it for me. No fight, no resilience, no heart.

That said, he did bring some talent in. It can’t be denied. I also think he can design a decent passing game (Kyle Orton looked like a serviceable starter for awhile under him, there is something to be said for that), although this past season in STL really seems to disprove even that line of thinking.

His ultimate undoing was his inability to lead and inspire. Those are two very important attributes in a HEAD coach. He wasn’t good enough of a strategist to overcome his complete inability to lead others. His treatment of those that worked for him was deplorable. He thought he was the smartest man in the room, and did not give others the respect they have earned and deserved.

To say he may have made some good decisions (which I believe he did) in no way diminishes how disastrous his time was. It was his treatment of others, his lack of respect for the traditions and the organization, and his unwarranted ego and pride that did him in.

Screw You Josh McDaniels, I hope we humiliate you and your Patriots on Saturday!!!"

 

[PatsDeb]

Slandered? Seriously? I'm going to quote from someone over at OrangeMane.com who today offered up the following assessment of Josh's time in Denver. You may not like this summary, but it is what it is, and I agree with all of it (although I am not the original author):

The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community - View Single Post - McD is Horrible

==

"I’ll be honest in my opinion of McDaniels.

To me, he is Denver enemy #1. He brought embarrassment and disgrace to our proud organization. The 59-14 loss where he was standing alone on the sideline staring at the ground the entire game is what really did it for me. No fight, no resilience, no heart.

That said, he did bring some talent in. It can’t be denied. I also think he can design a decent passing game (Kyle Orton looked like a serviceable starter for awhile under him, there is something to be said for that), although this past season in STL really seems to disprove even that line of thinking.

His ultimate undoing was his inability to lead and inspire. Those are two very important attributes in a HEAD coach. He wasn’t good enough of a strategist to overcome his complete inability to lead others. His treatment of those that worked for him was deplorable. He thought he was the smartest man in the room, and did not give others the respect they have earned and deserved.

To say he may have made some good decisions (which I believe he did) in no way diminishes how disastrous his time was. It was his treatment of others, his lack of respect for the traditions and the organization, and his unwarranted ego and pride that did him in.

Screw You Josh McDaniels, I hope we humiliate you and your Patriots on Saturday!!!"

Oh the irony. Where's Deus? We had a lengthy discussion once with an opposing fan on the meaning of this word.

 

[Koma]

I'm simply suggesting that BB could have done what countless politicians and judges before him have do to eliminate even the appearance of impropriety: he could have said that McD was his guy, but that *if* NE had to face Denver in the playoffs, he would ask Joshy to recuse himself.

Doing that would have satisfied everyone.

Anyway, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Neither side seems willing to budge.

Armchair Bronco, I think you're on to something. I'm sure you'll agree that the next time the Broncos face the Panthers, Giants or Raiders, Coach Fox should recuse himself to avoid the appearance of improhahahaha - I'm sorry I just couldn't do it.

But if you want to follow your conspiracy theory, you need to look deeper into how devious Belichick really is. Consider: In 2010, the Broncos drafted Tebow in the first round. The Patriots then drafted Brandon Spikes and Aaron Hernandez, two of his teammates. Clearly, this was done to provide intelligence on Tebow from both an offensive and defensive perspective. And it was done almost 2 years before this weekend's game. Hiring McDaniels was just window dressing on a trap that was set long ago. Keep watching the skies!

 

[DEVIOUS 1]

Slandered? Seriously? I'm going to quote from someone over at OrangeMane.com who today offered up the following assessment of Josh's time in Denver. You may not like this summary, but it is what it is, and I agree with all of it (although I am not the original author):

The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community - View Single Post - McD is Horrible

==

"I’ll be honest in my opinion of McDaniels.

To me, he is Denver enemy #1. He brought embarrassment and disgrace to our proud organization. The 59-14 loss where he was standing alone on the sideline staring at the ground the entire game is what really did it for me. No fight, no resilience, no heart.

That said, he did bring some talent in. It can’t be denied. I also think he can design a decent passing game (Kyle Orton looked like a serviceable starter for awhile under him, there is something to be said for that), although this past season in STL really seems to disprove even that line of thinking.

His ultimate undoing was his inability to lead and inspire. Those are two very important attributes in a HEAD coach. He wasn’t good enough of a strategist to overcome his complete inability to lead others. His treatment of those that worked for him was deplorable. He thought he was the smartest man in the room, and did not give others the respect they have earned and deserved.

To say he may have made some good decisions (which I believe he did) in no way diminishes how disastrous his time was. It was his treatment of others, his lack of respect for the traditions and the organization, and his unwarranted ego and pride that did him in.

Screw You Josh McDaniels, I hope we humiliate you and your Patriots on Saturday!!!"

If those are honestly your perception and opinion on Josh McDaniel's, then perhaps I would suggest pointing some of that misguided anger at the man who runs your organization. Considering that he, you know, hired this allegedly incompetent leader, and gave him so much organizational control.

But that would mean you would have to hold someone within your beloved team accountable, and i wouldn't want you to hurt yourself thinking about doing something so outside the box.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Let's see if the NFL institutes a new set of rules to clarify under what conditions teams can hire coaches during the post-season. If, two years from now, such rules are NOT in place, then I will return to this site, resurrect this thread, and admit that I was wrong.

That's it. If you're not Aqua you're his roomate...

 

[Huckleberry1]

Slandered? Seriously? I'm going to quote from someone over at OrangeMane.com who today offered up the following assessment of Josh's time in Denver. You may not like this summary, but it is what it is, and I agree with all of it (although I am not the original author):

The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community - View Single Post - McD is Horrible

==

"I’ll be honest in my opinion of McDaniels.

To me, he is Denver enemy #1. He brought embarrassment and disgrace to our proud organization. The 59-14 loss where he was standing alone on the sideline staring at the ground the entire game is what really did it for me. No fight, no resilience, no heart.

That said, he did bring some talent in. It can’t be denied. I also think he can design a decent passing game (Kyle Orton looked like a serviceable starter for awhile under him, there is something to be said for that), although this past season in STL really seems to disprove even that line of thinking.

His ultimate undoing was his inability to lead and inspire. Those are two very important attributes in a HEAD coach. He wasn’t good enough of a strategist to overcome his complete inability to lead others. His treatment of those that worked for him was deplorable. He thought he was the smartest man in the room, and did not give others the respect they have earned and deserved.

To say he may have made some good decisions (which I believe he did) in no way diminishes how disastrous his time was. It was his treatment of others, his lack of respect for the traditions and the organization, and his unwarranted ego and pride that did him in.

Screw You Josh McDaniels, I hope we humiliate you and your Patriots on Saturday!!!"

I.e... you hate him and he sucks but no other team should be able to hire him a season and a half after the broncos ran him out of town because that would be "unfair" to the Bronco's.

LMAO-I can't wait to see the rules you guys want instituted when Elway does the same to God's Other Son. Only Arena teams can sign Tebow because he's the lifelong property of Buh Buh Buh Buh Bronco fans even after his release, which will be coming next year.


Here's an idea, if you don't want people to work for other teams more than a season later then don't fire them. Jesus you guys are crybabies, most fans wait until after they lose, you guys have started crying before it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The Broncos had already been nailed for cheating long before McDaniels arrived. You can't blame him for ruining the reputation of a ffranchhise who's reputation was already ruined.

Broncos fined, lose draft pick over salary cap violation - NFL - ESPN

 

[Haley]

I'm simply suggesting that BB could have done what countless politicians and judges before him have do to eliminate even the appearance of impropriety: he could have said that McD was his guy, but that *if* NE had to face Denver in the playoffs, he would ask Joshy to recuse himself.

Doing that would have satisfied everyone.

No, it would not have satisfied everyone. In fact, I would argue that it would have satisfied no one.

On the Patriots side of the fence, we would have hampered the hand off of the OC job to Josh in a vain effort to satisfy conspiracy theorists. Why should we make a decision not in the best interest of our team when this conspiracy does not exist?

On the Broncos side, I'd argue most would not have believed the 'recusing' even took place as advertised. Conspiracy theorists are never satisfied. In fact, the opposite effect would have happened if BB had given any kind of nod to the fact that an impropriety could be taking place. He is always guilty until proven innocent in the court of haters opinion.

Slandered? Seriously? I'm going to quote from someone over at OrangeMane.com who today offered up the following assessment of Josh's time in Denver. You may not like this summary, but it is what it is, and I agree with all of it (although I am not the original author):

The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community - View Single Post - McD is Horrible

==

"I’ll be honest in my opinion of McDaniels.

To me, he is Denver enemy #1. He brought embarrassment and disgrace to our proud organization. The 59-14 loss where he was standing alone on the sideline staring at the ground the entire game is what really did it for me. No fight, no resilience, no heart.

That said, he did bring some talent in. It can’t be denied. I also think he can design a decent passing game (Kyle Orton looked like a serviceable starter for awhile under him, there is something to be said for that), although this past season in STL really seems to disprove even that line of thinking.

His ultimate undoing was his inability to lead and inspire. Those are two very important attributes in a HEAD coach. He wasn’t good enough of a strategist to overcome his complete inability to lead others. His treatment of those that worked for him was deplorable. He thought he was the smartest man in the room, and did not give others the respect they have earned and deserved.

To say he may have made some good decisions (which I believe he did) in no way diminishes how disastrous his time was. It was his treatment of others, his lack of respect for the traditions and the organization, and his unwarranted ego and pride that did him in.

Screw You Josh McDaniels, I hope we humiliate you and your Patriots on Saturday!!!"

If he is such a disaster, why the concern over his hiring? Why even care? This whole post just smacks of some kind of seller's remorse. I can't understand why any Bronco fan would express this much emotion if they truly believe he is a disaster.

 

[PatsDeb]

No, it would not have satisfied everyone. In fact, I would argue that it would have satisfied no one.

On the Patriots side of the fence, we would have hampered the hand off of the OC job to Josh in a vain effort to satisfy conspiracy theorists. Why should we make a decision not in the best interest of our team when this conspiracy does not exist?

On the Broncos side, I'd argue most would not have believed the 'recusing' even took place as advertised. Conspiracy theorists are never satisfied. In fact, the opposite effect would have happened if BB had given any kind of nod to the fact that an impropriety could be taking place. He is always guilty until proven innocent in the court of haters opinion.



If he is such a disaster, why the concern over his hiring? Why even care? This whole post just smacks of some kind of seller's remorse. I can't understand why any Bronco fan would express this much emotion if they truly believe he is a disaster.

Exactly right. If he's such a disaster, then Broncos fans should be laughing at us, not crying foul (take a look at our Jets get rid of Schotty/Pick up Sporano laughfest for a lesson on this). But, as Haley and countless of us here have pointed out, it seems that behind it all, Broncos fans are afraid they made a big mistake. You made your bed, now lie (or cry) in it.

 

[Koma]

Speaking of rules the league should make, remember when Favre was traded from the Packers to the Jets and part of the agreement was that if the Jets trade Favre to a NFCN team, they'll owe the Packers 3 1st round picks? And then, after one season in NY, Favre "retired," the Jets released him and he unretired and signed with the Vikings.

This was a clear violation of the "spirit of the agreement," but GB received zero compensation. The league didn't make any rules to prevent this in the future and there wasn't anything close to the whining from the media or fans that we're seeing about McDaniels getting his old job back.

 

[NEP4Life]

If you think the monkeys are rattling their cage about the McDaniels hiring now, wait until the Pats eliminate the Broncos.

 

[JoeSixPat]

The Broncos had already been nailed for cheating long before McDaniels arrived. You can't blame him for ruining the reputation of a ffranchhise who's reputation was already ruined.

Broncos fined, lose draft pick over salary cap violation - NFL - ESPN

Largest fine ever in the history of the NFL no less, especially considering the lost draft picks.

They cheated on the cap to keep Elway. Do they win the Super Bowl(s) without Elway?


The bottom line for this situation is that the Broncos did exactly the same thing by hiring Shanahan in 1989.

In that case Shanahan had been fired from the Raiders and hired by the Broncos a few weeks later, just before the Broncos played the Raiders in the playoffs.

In the case of McDaniels he hasn't been with the Broncos for more than a year.

If what the Patriots are doing is "wrong" what the Broncos did is much much worse.