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Well you have to actually look at who's been playing RB here in that span. 1,000 yards in a vacuum isn't as impressive as it used to be when RB's are going for 1,000 like it's nothing. There were 15 1,000 yard backs this year. But in actuality if it were not for injury there should've been more like 22. With notable guys like Matt Forte, Fred Jackson Darren Mcfadden and AP not getting there. 22 out of 32 says that getting 1,000 is no longer special it's more like average.

He's limited because he doesn't create and just takes what's there. That's fine and I like having a RB that doesn't fumble etc. But he's not dynamic enough to bail out the passing game by changing the way the D defends him. Ridley or any RB with big play ability can make you pay for sending out 7 DB's.

We have seen the offense stall the previous two playoff games we've been in, so this is a very plausible scenario.

An intelligent post from someone in this thread! Weird. Thanks!
 
Something else for Denver to complain about: Apparently the Patriots cloned Belichick and put him in a young running back's body.

" ...We don't look ahead or behind. We look at that upcoming game, so it's another game to us. That's how we're treating it. It's going to be a playoff atmosphere. It's going to be a big-time game, but we're going to go out there and just play football, stay calm, and try to go out there and play a sound football game."
 
Have a strange suspicion Ridley goes for 100 on Saturday

This is the rare game I could see us not focusing on running. Biggest thing to beating Tebow is making him play catch up from pretty far behind. Unless we're getting those running yards from the no-huddle/hurry-up, I think we benefit more from a quick scoring game, not a ball control, score quickly and put the pressure on Tebow to match.

Try to take away the deep ball and force Denver to make long drives if possible, many more chances for them to screw up the more plays they have to run.
 
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This is the rare game I could see us not focusing on running. Biggest thing to beating Tebow is making him play catch up from pretty far behind. Unless we're getting those running yards from the no-huddle/hurry-up, I think we benefit more from a quick scoring game, not a ball control, score quickly and put the pressure on Tebow to match.

Try to take away the deep ball and force Denver to make long drives if possible, many more chances for them to screw up the more plays they have to run.
If you score, fast or slow, you put them behind.
 
This is the rare game I could see us not focusing on running. Biggest thing to beating Tebow is making him play catch up from pretty far behind. Unless we're getting those running yards from the no-huddle/hurry-up, I think we benefit more from a quick scoring game, not a ball control, score quickly and put the pressure on Tebow to match.

Try to take away the deep ball and force Denver to make long drives if possible, many more chances for them to screw up the more plays they have to run.


I think they'll get up and start handing Ridley the rock. Denver's run D was terrible against PIT, and they gave up long runs to not-exactly-explosive Isaac Redmond. I think Ridley will rip off some nice runs, and maybe even put in the dagger with a long one.
 
This is the rare game I could see us not focusing on running. Biggest thing to beating Tebow is making him play catch up from pretty far behind. Unless we're getting those running yards from the no-huddle/hurry-up, I think we benefit more from a quick scoring game, not a ball control, score quickly and put the pressure on Tebow to match.

Try to take away the deep ball and force Denver to make long drives if possible, many more chances for them to screw up the more plays they have to run.

This will be a rare game where the focus won't be on running? Since when do the Pats focus on the run game?

I don't think you will see many surprses on the offense. What they need to work on if the defense. I'm scared Tebow/McGahee could run crazy.
 
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If you score, fast or slow, you put them behind.

I know, but I find that a quick strike might put more pressure on someone.

I can see a long 10+ play drive as maybe more demoralizing to a defense, but when your show you can score quickly, and at will, I think it puts more pressure on the opposing offense to prove to you that they can keep up.

Just different ways of thinking, I'll take points however they come against a solid D, but this is the rare game I'd rather score quickly in an attempt to make a 2nd year QB who barely has a full season worth of starts under his belt to try and play shot for shot with TB.
 
What would that be? That the only reason Ridley is getting such a big portion of the carries now is only cause of BJGE toe being banged up?

How does that explain is new duties on 3rd down then? Truth is, it doesn't. The coaches are starting to see what they have in Ridley, and he's getting better in pass protection, so he's getting more work.

He's getting more work because he's BETTER.

BGE is mostly a one-cut, straight-ahead power back. Given a decent push by the OC and OGs to open a hole in the middle of the LoS, BGE will nearly always get his 4 yards. First contact rarely brings him down, even when he's moving slow, unless its 3 guys jumping on his back simultaneously. Even then, he'll keep churning often for an extra yard or two. If a lone DB is trying to backfill the hole, BGE will usually run over him for another 5 yds, sometimes more. If the Pats have the ball with a 7-point lead with, say, 8:00 left in Q4, BGE is the guy I want pounding it up the gut against a tiring defense to help take 7:00 off the clock on a drive that puts the Pats up by two scores. BGE does NOT, however, appear to have the quicks necessary to hit a cutback when the middle closes and the play gets strung out toward the sideline.

Woodhead is nimble and fast with enough burst to slip through a tiny crack up the middle and get his 4 yds, sometimes more if the LB blinks. He also has the burst to hit the cutback that BGE doesn't. At the second level, he can often make the first guy miss for a couple extra yards. Though Woody runs tough and will break a mediocre tackle attempt, he's not likely to run through a squared up LB the way BGE can.

Both BGE and Woody, IMHO, appear to need a fairly solid blocking set, well-executed, to get going, especially up the gut. It's the kind of thing that often tips off a defense to what's coming. Both will usually get their 4 yards, and more, if a defender effs-up. But, if a Pats blocker gets beat or effs-up, they can be stuffed.

I believe that a major contributing factor to their lack of production up the middle this season is Koppen being out. I think that Koppen's run-blocking has been a bit under-rated or overlooked. His replacements have been pretty much fine on the snap and in passpro, but they don't seem to be able to make way for BGE and Woody (or even Ridley) up the middle with nearly the consistency that Koppen did last season.

Ridley, IMO, doesn't have quite the power that BGE does. He can certainly run through a tackle if he's "at speed", a couple steps after his cut, but he doesn't seem to have immediate power coming out of his cut that BGE often demonstrates (which may be partly a technique/footwork thing that he may be able to improve somewhat). Still, he's certainly more naturally powerful than Woody - he has the ability to power through LoS trash that might stymie Woody - and he doesn't go down as easily on first contact. However, he's not using that power with consistent effectiveness yet, which has led to him getting stuffed a few times (another likely development issue).

Ridley also (again, MHO) isn't quite as shifty as Woody (yet). He doesn't seem like he's able to run around a defender in the open field as "cleanly" as Woody often has. However, his natural power can compensate for that as he improves technique (timing on a lowered shoulder, stiff arm, etc.). But, he does appear to have some pretty good natural vision for the imminent hole, enough quicks to make the cutback on a strung-out play and a second cut to the outside when appropriate. I'm not sure that he has the top end to be able to outrun faster defenders and take it to the house from 80-yards out, unless the defenders who CAN catch him are seriously out of position, but from around mid-field . . .

Ridley's not quite at the point where his runs aren't being tipped off to the defense, but, with his combination of quicks and power, he has shown flashes of being able to do more than either BGE or Woody with a bit less than the optimal LoS blocking they need to be consistently successful. This, in combination with Koppen's absence, is probably why we've seen more of Ridley this season (perhaps earlier than originally planned). If he continues to develop at his recent pace, by this time next season, he could be making play-action and draws a lot more effective. This doesn't at all mean that there won't be a place for BGE and Woody. The Pats are always going to need those guys to make 1st-and-10 into 2nd-and five or to help chew clock in Q4 (when breaking a long run may not be quite as important). But this is still all based on potential. He's not consistently "better" than BGE or Woody quite yet.
 
BGE is mostly a one-cut, straight-ahead power back. Given a decent push by the OC and OGs to open a hole in the middle of the LoS, BGE will nearly always get his 4 yards. First contact rarely brings him down, even when he's moving slow, unless its 3 guys jumping on his back simultaneously. Even then, he'll keep churning often for an extra yard or two. If a lone DB is trying to backfill the hole, BGE will usually run over him for another 5 yds, sometimes more. If the Pats have the ball with a 7-point lead with, say, 8:00 left in Q4, BGE is the guy I want pounding it up the gut against a tiring defense to help take 7:00 off the clock on a drive that puts the Pats up by two scores. BGE does NOT, however, appear to have the quicks necessary to hit a cutback when the middle closes and the play gets strung out toward the sideline.

Woodhead is nimble and fast with enough burst to slip through a tiny crack up the middle and get his 4 yds, sometimes more if the LB blinks. He also has the burst to hit the cutback that BGE doesn't. At the second level, he can often make the first guy miss for a couple extra yards. Though Woody runs tough and will break a mediocre tackle attempt, he's not likely to run through a squared up LB the way BGE can.

Both BGE and Woody, IMHO, appear to need a fairly solid blocking set, well-executed, to get going, especially up the gut. It's the kind of thing that often tips off a defense to what's coming. Both will usually get their 4 yards, and more, if a defender effs-up. But, if a Pats blocker gets beat or effs-up, they can be stuffed.

I believe that a major contributing factor to their lack of production up the middle this season is Koppen being out. I think that Koppen's run-blocking has been a bit under-rated or overlooked. His replacements have been pretty much fine on the snap and in passpro, but they don't seem to be able to make way for BGE and Woody (or even Ridley) up the middle with nearly the consistency that Koppen did last season.

Ridley, IMO, doesn't have quite the power that BGE does. He can certainly run through a tackle if he's "at speed", a couple steps after his cut, but he doesn't seem to have immediate power coming out of his cut that BGE often demonstrates (which may be partly a technique/footwork thing that he may be able to improve somewhat). Still, he's certainly more naturally powerful than Woody - he has the ability to power through LoS trash that might stymie Woody - and he doesn't go down as easily on first contact. However, he's not using that power with consistent effectiveness yet, which has led to him getting stuffed a few times (another likely development issue).

Ridley also (again, MHO) isn't quite as shifty as Woody (yet). He doesn't seem like he's able to run around a defender in the open field as "cleanly" as Woody often has. However, his natural power can compensate for that as he improves technique (timing on a lowered shoulder, stiff arm, etc.). But, he does appear to have some pretty good natural vision for the imminent hole, enough quicks to make the cutback on a strung-out play and a second cut to the outside when appropriate. I'm not sure that he has the top end to be able to outrun faster defenders and take it to the house from 80-yards out, unless the defenders who CAN catch him are seriously out of position, but from around mid-field . . .

Ridley's not quite at the point where his runs aren't being tipped off to the defense, but, with his combination of quicks and power, he has shown flashes of being able to do more than either BGE or Woody with a bit less than the optimal LoS blocking they need to be consistently successful. This, in combination with Koppen's absence, is probably why we've seen more of Ridley this season (perhaps earlier than originally planned). If he continues to develop at his recent pace, by this time next season, he could be making play-action and draws a lot more effective. This doesn't at all mean that there won't be a place for BGE and Woody. The Pats are always going to need those guys to make 1st-and-10 into 2nd-and five or to help chew clock in Q4 (when breaking a long run may not be quite as important). But this is still all based on potential. He's not consistently "better" than BGE or Woody quite yet.

Couldn't have put it any better.

My way of looking at it is not that one of them is better than anyone else, but that each player brings something different to the table, and I believe that it is far more effective when you use them in combination- that, more than anything else would tire out the D.
 
I know, but I find that a quick strike might put more pressure on someone.

I can see a long 10+ play drive as maybe more demoralizing to a defense, but when your show you can score quickly, and at will, I think it puts more pressure on the opposing offense to prove to you that they can keep up.

Just different ways of thinking, I'll take points however they come against a solid D, but this is the rare game I'd rather score quickly in an attempt to make a 2nd year QB who barely has a full season worth of starts under his belt to try and play shot for shot with TB.

Points are what puts the pressure on. If its 13-3 with 11 minutes left in the half, making it 20-3 with 9 mnutes or 6 minutes left isn't really much different.
Quick scores can actually put more pressure on the opponent because there is the perception that a team that scores quickly will be more likley to do it again if they get the ball back, which of course is silly.
 
the only reason BB drafted ridley was because he could
 
Points are what puts the pressure on. If its 13-3 with 11 minutes left in the half, making it 20-3 with 9 mnutes or 6 minutes left isn't really much different.
Quick scores can actually put more pressure on the opponent because there is the perception that a team that scores quickly will be more likley to do it again if they get the ball back, which of course is silly.

lol

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Ridley is my favorite RB on the team, but I'm perplexed as to why Vereen has gotten next to no play time, is he hurt? Why invest a 2nd round pick on a guy that has to wait in line to touch the ball. I really hate how this whole committee RB is managed. There's no damn reason we should be carrying this much RBs.
 
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I have no complaints about this RB by committee approach.

BJGE could have much more impressive stats if the Pats committed to running the ball.


In the case of the Pats running game: the reason the Pats running game is ranked so high is because the quality of the Pats' passing game forces defenses to overplay the pass, providing opportunities for mediocre talent like BJGE to make positive plays.

The real evaluation of the pats run game will only come when the passing game is rendered ineffective, and the Pats must run to open up the pass. The Pats will face that test next week versus Baltimore. It will be the test that determines whether or not they go to the SB. I don't believe BJGE can pass that test. I believe Ridley has a chance to pass that test, and I believe the coaching staff thinks as I do. I believe they knew what they had in Ridley very early, even this preseason, and decided to keep his legs fresh for the stretch run and the playoffs, letting free agent to be BJGE take the pounding during the regular season, working Ridley gradually into the offense.

I believe Ridley will prove his mettle this week but especially next week versus Baltimore. And this thread will become a relic we can all look back on with a chuckle, saying, remember when we convinced ourselves Ridley should be BJGE's backup? Those were the days!
 
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I love Ridley, think he will be massive for us next season. Hope to see Vereen getting more snaps too. Not too bothered if BJGE stays or not
 
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