Ridley

[satz]

Having seen both sitting in the first row in the endzone pregame .Benny is not the 215 or what ever he is listed as .He is closer to say 230 and will not suprised if he is around 235. His legs are shoulders are build like a tank. He is tough to bring down. ridley on the other hand is 215 lb maybe at draft and seem his playing weight might be lower.

let me dig the picture of our RB from last weekend, i think i have one . you can see what i mean.

even though i am excited for ridley i want to see when happens when he has a fumble lost day.with the new tv contract the cap is going to jump to 150 or so in 2014 with the 55% share clause.
so i will resign benny and ridley with woodhead. we carry 5 RB so that is only 3.

 

[Ring 6]

You do realize the guy has a whopping total of one TD?

Is talent really based on which guy gets the ball at the 1?

If you think BJGE is a better RB, you are entitled to your opinion, but who has had the opportunity from the 1 yard line isn't really a compelling argument.

All I am saying is for many weeks when we hand the ball off Ridley looks more effective running the play than BJGE. If you feel differently thats fine, the point of the thread was that playing time seems to also be indicating the team feels Ridley has taken over as well.

 

[jays52]

I think that there's a difference between potential and current ability. There's no doubt that Ridley has the potential to be fantastic. His balance is exceptional and his willingness to fight for extra yards is what you always want in a back. His burst and cut quickness is well known. What he doesn't have yet is knowledge of his blockers like BJGE has. The running game is always a function of how well the line blocks and how well the back reads and plays off of that blocking. I think one would be hard pressed to find a back as adept at playing his blocks like BJGE is. He is not physically spectacular, but he is extremely fundamentally sound which is very overlooked by people evaluating a back. This is shown by his goalline carries. In the area where execution is most important he is featured prominently. This is because while physically limited, his ability to play his position is unrivaled. Do I expect Ridley to overtake him? Yes, absolutely. However, to undervalue how well BJGE plays his position because of physical limitations is wrong. In the context of "best *runningback*" Green-Ellis is head and shoulders above everyone else and it isn't close.

 

[Ring 6]

I think that there's a difference between potential and current ability. There's no doubt that Ridley has the potential to be fantastic. His balance is exceptional and his willingness to fight for extra yards is what you always want in a back. His burst and cut quickness is well known. What he doesn't have yet is knowledge of his blockers like BJGE has. The running game is always a function of how well the line blocks and how well the back reads and plays off of that blocking. I think one would be hard pressed to find a back as adept at playing his blocks like BJGE is. He is not physically spectacular, but he is extremely fundamentally sound which is very overlooked by people evaluating a back. This is shown by his goalline carries. In the area where execution is most important he is featured prominently. This is because while physically limited, his ability to play his position is unrivaled. Do I expect Ridley to overtake him? Yes, absolutely. However, to undervalue how well BJGE plays his position because of physical limitations is wrong. In the context of "best *runningback*" Green-Ellis is head and shoulders above everyone else and it isn't close.

Certainly there is value in experience, but I don't see where BJGE has progressed with experience. I think he is more tentative than ever. The quick hitting play where there is minimal cut is one he runs well, but anything outside the G he seems to hesitate waiting for that block that never develops and slows down so much he has no burst when it does.
I realize there are some cases where patience may serve Ridley, but his decisive hitting the hole seems to produce a better result that BJGEs tentative approach.
I was very surprised by your last sentence given recent actual performance on the field.
In any event it appears we disagree which is fine.

 

[Maker's Muppet]

Having seen both sitting in the first row in the endzone pregame .Benny is not the 215 or what ever he is listed as .He is closer to say 230 and will not suprised if he is around 235. His legs are shoulders are build like a tank. He is tough to bring down. ridley on the other hand is 215 lb maybe at draft and seem his playing weight might be lower.

let me dig the picture of our RB from last weekend, i think i have one . you can see what i mean.

even though i am excited for ridley i want to see when happens when he has a fumble lost day.with the new tv contract the cap is going to jump to 150 or so in 2014 with the 55% share clause.
so i will resign benny and ridley with woodhead. we carry 5 RB so that is only 3.

BJGE, Ridley, Woodhead, Vereen, now need a FB or big blocking H-Back = 5

 

[borg]

Benny had some serious hops in his one yard leap into the endzone. I think BB will lean on him vs the toughers Ds....Ravens and Pitt

That being said, I'm pushing a trade this offseason to get a legit 3 down back.....Jonathan Stewart,,,,5-10 235lbs.....5 yds/carry....47 catches. One year left on his contract....I see a Welker like trade using a #2 plus sweetener. Deangelo Williams has a crazy contract so Stewart will be gone in a year....so why not now. BJGE/Faulk money consolidated to extend Stewart.......a guy who is top ten in YAC. Dillon size, with pass catching skills. No more signaling the play depending on who is in the backfield (BJGE)..... a 3 year binky of mine

 

[ausbacker]

Benny had some serious hops in his one yard leap into the endzone. I think BB will lean on him vs the toughers Ds....Ravens and Pitt

That being said, I'm pushing a trade this offseason to get a legit 3 down back.....Jonathan Stewart,,,,5-10 235lbs.....5 yds/carry....47 catches. One year left on his contract....I see a Welker like trade using a #2 plus sweetener. Deangelo Williams has a crazy contract so Stewart will be gone in a year....so why not now. BJGE/Faulk money consolidated to extend Stewart.......a guy who is top ten in YAC. Dillon size, with pass catching skills. No more signaling the play depending on who is in the backfield (BJGE)..... a 3 year binky of mine

I've been on the Stewart bandwagon for a while. He's a legitimate feature back being wasted away behind DeAngelo Williams and now the rush frenzied Cam Newton.

He's an excellent runner who would compliment our power based system, can blitz pick up and is magnificent in the passing game.

 

[Patspsycho]

Is talent really based on which guy gets the ball at the 1?

If you think BJGE is a better RB, you are entitled to your opinion, but who has had the opportunity from the 1 yard line isn't really a compelling argument.

All I am saying is for many weeks when we hand the ball off Ridley looks more effective running the play than BJGE. If you feel differently thats fine, the point of the thread was that playing time seems to also be indicating the team feels Ridley has taken over as well.

Please point out to me exactly when and where I said BJGE was better than Ridley.

As I've said before, each back has their own skill set which I think compliments each other. As others have said, why does there have to be a #1, or a "this is better than that"?

You use the word "Ridley looks more effective" and that is a subjective term. You disparage BJGE every turn you get, but if you look at the numbers, BJGE is producing results not seen since the days of Dillon. First 1,000 yard backer since Dillon, first back to back double-digit TDs seasons since Dillon (and as a matter of fact, only two other backs accomplished such a feat for the Patriots: Dillon and Curtis Martin, yet there is not even a congratulatory thread on that in this forum).

Maybe you think Ridley will reproduce those numbers but history would suggest that feat is not so easily done.

 

[Patspsycho]

BJGE, Ridley, Woodhead, Vereen, now need a FB or big blocking H-Back = 5

We already have a very effective FB, and his name is Polite.

 

[borg]

I've been on the Stewart bandwagon for a while. He's a legitimate feature back being wasted away behind DeAngelo Williams and now the rush frenzied Cam Newton.

He's an excellent runner who would compliment our power based system, can blitz pick up and is magnificent in the passing game.

A stud 3 down RB in his prime behind a great Oline and two A+ TEs.......dare to dream. Unfortunately, too many dollars are being assigned on the offensive side of the ball.....Mankins, Brady, with Welker and Gronk soon to break the bank. If BB can delay till the newest infusion of TV money arrives.......WE CAN HAVE IT ALL

 

[Patspsycho]

Benny had some serious hops in his one yard leap into the endzone. I think BB will lean on him vs the toughers Ds....Ravens and Pitt

That being said, I'm pushing a trade this offseason to get a legit 3 down back.....Jonathan Stewart,,,,5-10 235lbs.....5 yds/carry....47 catches. One year left on his contract....I see a Welker like trade using a #2 plus sweetener. Deangelo Williams has a crazy contract so Stewart will be gone in a year....so why not now. BJGE/Faulk money consolidated to extend Stewart.......a guy who is top ten in YAC. Dillon size, with pass catching skills. No more signaling the play depending on who is in the backfield (BJGE)..... a 3 year binky of mine

Most of the available money we will have has to go to keeping Welker here. He has been severely underpaid those past few years.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Most of the available money we will have has to go to keeping Welker here. He has been severely underpaid those past few years.

Welker is getting fairly old as well..so he wants a nice pay day. Just hope they get it done. I want BJGE back. That screen pass with that speed and good jukes..he is still a decent back

 

[Ring 6]

Please point out to me exactly when and where I said BJGE was better than Ridley.

Sorry, I assumed when you quoted my question of whether there was doubt that Ridley is our best running back with
"Do you know this guy has whopping total of one TD" that this meant you were disagreeing with the statement. What did you mean?

As I've said before, each back has their own skill set which I think compliments each other. As others have said, why does there have to be a #1, or a "this is better than that"?

It is a question, a point of discussion. Are you really saying the answer to who is the best X should be "Why does there have to be a best" Are we outlawing dodgeball too?

You use the word "Ridley looks more effective" and that is a subjective term.

Of course it is. I am stating my opinion and describing what I see.

You disparage BJGE every turn you get,

No I do not. I haven't discussed BJGE at any length in weeks, maybe months.

but if you look at the numbers, BJGE is producing results not seen since the days of Dillon.

Not this year.
In fact his rushing yards and ypc are the least of any season since Dillon left.
He has fewer yards and a lower ypc than Lawrence Maroney had in any of his 3 healthy seasons.
How is he producing results not seen since the days of Dillon? His results are the worse of a #1 RB since Antowain Smith in 2003

First 1,000 yard backer since Dillon, first back to back double-digit TDs seasons since Dillon (and as a matter of fact, only two other backs accomplished such a feat for the Patriots: Dillon and Curtis Martin, yet there is not even a congratulatory thread on that in this forum).

Thats great. I have never started a congratulatory thread in my life, so I don't know why you expect me to make one about rushing TDs.
Perhaps, its just me, but I also never got all excited about a RB punching it in from the 2.

Maybe you think Ridley will reproduce those numbers but history would suggest that feat is not so easily done.

What does history have to do with Ridley?
I really don't care about stats. I am talking about who I think gives us the best chance to win as the guy we hand the ball too.
I know you take the BJGE stuff real personally, but no need for paranoia here, I'm just discussing what I see. I'm not attempting to slur BJGE or diminish him at all.

 

[Ring 6]

Benny had some serious hops in his one yard leap into the endzone. I think BB will lean on him vs the toughers Ds....Ravens and Pitt

That being said, I'm pushing a trade this offseason to get a legit 3 down back.....Jonathan Stewart,,,,5-10 235lbs.....5 yds/carry....47 catches. One year left on his contract....I see a Welker like trade using a #2 plus sweetener. Deangelo Williams has a crazy contract so Stewart will be gone in a year....so why not now. BJGE/Faulk money consolidated to extend Stewart.......a guy who is top ten in YAC. Dillon size, with pass catching skills. No more signaling the play depending on who is in the backfield (BJGE)..... a 3 year binky of mine

I like the player, but big money on any RB is a gamble. Even moreso in our offense.

 

[supafly]

I like the player, but big money on any RB is a gamble. Even moreso in our offense.

Yep, I agree. The RBBC approach works well enough, especially when you consider the fact that most yrs we tend to need some depth at that position. Not only that, but we have several players who have carved out a niche as far as what the bring to the table.

There's also the fact that we have 2 young and new RB's on the team, one who we have yet to really even see what there is to offer.

As much as I like Stewart too, I just don't see that much money being tied into a position that doesn't get a super high number of carries to begin with, due to our heavy passing attack.

On top of that, those carries seem to be distributed amongst the RB's who include the 3rd down back(s), the goal-line power back, and the need for switching RB's up based on the opponent or whoever has the hot hand.

 

[PatriotFan77]

Ridley is alright. I don't think he's any improvement over BJGE. Pats don't really run the ball anyway so who gives ****?

 

[Patspsycho]

Sorry, I assumed when you quoted my question of whether there was doubt that Ridley is our best running back with
"Do you know this guy has whopping total of one TD" that this meant you were disagreeing with the statement. What did you mean?

Just what I mean. He has a whopping total of 1 TD and you want to declare him the second coming. How about we see how he does next season?

In fact his rushing yards and ypc are the least of any season since Dillon left.
He has fewer yards and a lower ypc than Lawrence Maroney had in any of his 3 healthy seasons.
How is he producing results not seen since the days of Dillon? His results are the worse of a #1 RB since Antowain Smith in 2003

Huh? His YPC this year isn't the lowest of any season since Dillon. That award goes to Maroney who posted 3.3 YPC in '08.

What part of results don't you understand? He is the first 1,000 yard back since Dillon. Maroney never produced a 1,000 yard season while he was here, much less a double digit TD season, never mind two of them. Poor Maroney, the last full season he had here, he fumbled the rock away four times while starting only 5 games.

Thats great. I have never started a congratulatory thread in my life, so I don't know why you expect me to make one about rushing TDs.
Perhaps, its just me, but I also never got all excited about a RB punching it in from the 2.

You don't say!

I know you take the BJGE stuff real personally, but no need for paranoia here, I'm just discussing what I see. I'm not attempting to slur BJGE or diminish him at all.

Paranoia? On an internet forum?

 

[TheComeback]

Ridley's explosive, but I can see why the coaching staff was hesitant to give him a lot of carries. He still carries the ball away from his body. A team like the Ravens or Steelers will be looking to strip him every time he gets a carry.

 

[satz]

Ridley is not big or stout enough take the pounding. we need 2 strong RB backed up with a 3rd down. 3 RB is the starting ground in today`s NFL.

You are looking for 2 quality backup.I am not abig fan of monster contract to RB. Benny is going to be realitively cheaper.

Wes is also a key that need to be signed long term as i can making gronk the highest paid TE and letting Hernandaz walk . Not possible to sign them both.

satz

 

[PatsFan2]

Ridley's explosive, but I can see why the coaching staff was hesitant to give him a lot of carries. He still carries the ball away from his body. A team like the Ravens or Steelers will be looking to strip him every time he gets a carry.

Yeah like they do in Madden12.