Disturbing stats for Brady

[Satchboogie3]

Worry about Brady? Have people lost their minds? Sure, he hasn't played great the last couple games, but it's not all on his shoulders and it's not what I'm worried about.

I'm much much MUCH more worried about our offensive line and WRs not named Welker. Branch has disappeared, Ocho hasn't done a thing, and the rest are TE or unproven WRs. It starts and ends with the line, if Brady doesn't get time, him nor anyone else will be effective.

This team appears to be lacking two critical things: Speed and toughness, on both sides of the ball.

 

[Kontradiction]

I dont find that disturbing at all, I find it promising, I think Brady can and will play better and some of those tipped passes are unlucky breaks.
If they play a clean game they can and probably will beat anyone.

The tipped passes aren't unlucky breaks. They're happening because defenses are flooding the middle of the field. They're doing that because the Pats haven't shown that they can threaten the deep and deep middle parts of the field this season. As sad is it is to say, having Brandon Tate made defenses at least somewhat respect the deep part of the field. Granted, he was a horrible route runner, but he was still fast and defenses knew that Brady always had a legitimate opportunity to hit him. Now that he's gone, Taylor Price hasn't been able to get on the field and Chad hasn't been able to get the playbook. Those are the only two legitimate deep threats we have besides Slater, who only runs the go route. If either one of those two guys can come on (Chad looked like he may have been getting it last week), Brady suddenly has a lot more space to work with in the middle of the field.

And yes, I agree, we need to run the ball more.

 

[PatsFan24]

As researched by Ian Rapaport:

Brady's 10 INT's has resulted in FORTY points for the opponent's offense.

In the last 3 losses by a combined 15 points, Brady's INT's in those game led to 27 points scored by the opponent's offense.

Of the 10 INTs he had, 4 were tipped by the opponent's defense, 4 were outright catches, and 2 were tipped up by his own receivers.

To this I add:

Now, our defense ranks #19 in total points given up (184).

Let's assume Brady plays like himself (closer to last year) and gives up only 3 INT, and one TD, through 8 games.

This would be a total of 7 points given up, and the surprising thing is that our defense would then have given up only 151 points.

It would then be ranked #5 overall, in points given up.

As unthinkable as it is, to even consider it, Brady is the one player that has hurt this team the most, this year. Not Haynesworth, not Ocho, not Price, not Bodden, not Tate or anyone else, but Tom Brady.

It then behooves the coaching staff to take the ball out of his hands more and give it to one or more of the five RBs we have on this team, none of who (ironically) have turned the ball over once, this season.

The guy is getting old.

 

[patsfan-1982]

the most Disturbing state for me is the fact that Brady throw the ball 49 times in a game that was scoreless for over 30 min, is there any reason to have five RB's on the roster if your not going to use them... if you keep throwing the ball when receivers ant open your going to throw INT's

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

Eventually Brady is going to get publically pissed.

He is doing his job and he expects the defense to do theirs. Wouldn't you?

There is NOOOOO room for error for him...too much pressure, way too much.

He needs some help in a big way. He knows that a pick scores points on the opposing team.

I am liking the Law Firm, liking the rookie RB. November and December is coming, we need that running game.

Ocho I believe will start to contribute soon. We gotta get off of man and spread out their D.

And ultimately, we need a defense or we are going no where.

WE....NEED...A...PASS DEFENSE...man do we need a pass defense....

 

[ivanvamp]

Brady wouldn't be throwing so many INT if we got him a julio jones/aj green to throw too....give him a # 1 WR along with welker and our TEs and he is unstoppable once again.

Like he was last year...with essentially the same personnel?

:bricks:

 

[BlueThunder]

Looks like a few themes running thru this thread....and it's been for the last few games...they just didn't appear

Eliminate TO's (fixable)

OL give TB time to pass ( may be fixable)

RUN DAT BALL (definitely FIXABLE BOB)

Need deep WR threat ( Maybe Price-get healthy so we can see)

Pats need to start THIS WEEK before its too late....

A win in NY goes a long way to allieviating Patriot fan stress and
putting it back on Jet fans....can't let Sancheese have time and have a big game..

Bury them NOW .....

 

[NEP4Life]

Brady's underperformance is likely due to injury -- possibly tendonitis as some have speculated.

Belichick will almost certainly stick with an injured Brady over Hoyer or Mallett, so the team will need to find some way to be effective offensively as Brady works through the injury.

 

[ivanvamp]

Eventually Brady is going to get publically pissed.

He is doing his job and he expects the defense to do theirs. Wouldn't you?

There is NOOOOO room for error for him...too much pressure, way too much.

He needs some help in a big way. He knows that a pick scores points on the opposing team.

I am liking the Law Firm, liking the rookie RB. November and December is coming, we need that running game.

Ocho I believe will start to contribute soon. We gotta get off of man and spread out their D.

And ultimately, we need a defense or we are going no where.

WE....NEED...A...PASS DEFENSE...man do we need a pass defense....

Brady's INT numbers last year were insanely good - record-setting, in fact. There's a reason that normally doesn't happen. A true statistical outlier. He was bound to see a regression to the mean.

For his career, from day 1 through 2009, his INT % was 2.3% (the high was 3.0% in 2004, the low was 1.4% in 2007). Then in 2010, he only had 4 ints and had an int rate of 0.8%. Way, way under what he normally does.

This year, he's at 3.1%, the highest of his career. I would expect over the 2nd half of the year that his int rate would drop back down to normal levels. at 2.3%, if he throws another 321 passes (the same amount he threw in the first 8 games), he would throw 7 ints in the 2nd half of the year.

At roughly 4 points per int (Rapaport says that Brady's 10 ints have led to 40 points for the opponents...so each int costs the Pats 4 points.....and that doesn't include points *not* scored by the Pats' offense), that's 12 points "saved" from the first half. The Patriots have played 6 game within a 12 point margin (going 3-3 in those games) and 3 games within a 4 point margin (going 1-2 in those games). Thus, Brady reducing his int % to "normal" levels over the 2nd half could, alone, create 1-2 wins.

Brady isn't the "problem" with this team, but it does show that the team, as currently constructed, does rely far too much on Brady being superhuman, which is something many of us have been saying for a while now.

 

[Triumph]

More reason to run the football this Sunday. Maybe Tom Brady's elbow hurts from throwing the football too much.

Not only that, but you keep your own banged up defense off the field.

BOB wont do it though.

 

[IllegalContact]

yes......I am disturbed

 

[NEP4Life]

This phenomenon is the "Colts Paradox".

When a team has a highly paid superstar quarterback, it's logical to build the team around the quarterback through the draft and player acquisitions. The result is success.

However, when the quarterback gets injured or slumps, the team's personnel moves in support of the quarterback are exposed as deficiencies in other areas, such as defense. The result is failure.

The paradox is that success by building the team around the quarterback can also be failure by building the team around the quarterback.

 

[ivanvamp]

Not only that, but you keep your own banged up defense off the field.

BOB wont do it though.

Why do you say that? Last time they played the Jets the Pats rushed 35 times for 152 yards (4.3 avg), while Brady threw 33 passes. That was a runass mix of 51.5% run, 48.5% pass.

 

[Patspsycho]

Brady's underperformance is likely due to injury -- possibly tendonitis as some have speculated.

Belichick will almost certainly stick with an injured Brady over Hoyer or Mallett, so the team will need to find some way to be effective offensively as Brady works through the injury.

I really don't think the 2 INT's he had last week had anything to do with injury, on the first, you could really see him hesitate on a Branch short slant, that split-second hesitation caused the defense to collapse onto Branch, and he threw it anyway. On the 2nd pick, he completely failed to realize there was a spy on him over the middle (Grant in man free) and threw right to him because he was tracking Gronkowski.

It may be mechanics- and I would hope so because that is fixable, but with his guru on his deathbed, who knows what will happen?

The thing I fear is that it is mental for some reason. It is sort of reminiscent of 2009 when Brady kept tunnel-visioning on Welker.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Brady wouldn't be throwing so many INT if we got him a julio jones/aj green to throw too....give him a # 1 WR along with welker and our TEs and he is unstoppable once again.

Since when did Brady need to be treated like Peyton Manning.

patsfans.com has spent years moaning about Manning excuse making and then does the same thing.

 

[Observer]

Not only that, but you keep your own banged up defense off the field.

BOB wont do it though.

BOB will do what BB tells him to do.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Its the same song that has been playing for 3 years now.

The defense cannot shut teams down so Brady feels that he needs to put up 35 ppg.

The running game is not respected and defenses are flooding the secondary with 6-7 Dbs.

Turn this team into a 2004-lite unit and Brady will be fine.

He may be hurt but who knows.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

great points Pysco, but for me the points of TOs is kind of overrated . . . for me it is more important where the TO happened . . . for instance a pick 6 can be clearly correlated directly to the TO . . . however if one is driving on the oppoents 42 yard line and it is 3rd and 10 and you throw a pick at the 14 yard line, it is the same as an incomplete pass . . . if the opponent then takes the ball from teh 14 and scores it goes under "points off TO" but in reality it really isnt points off a TO . . .

now it would be something different if you fumble or throw a pick on your side of the field putting the team in FG range and a chance for a TD . . .

so really it would be good to look at the TOs and see which ones are pick 6s, TOs in our side of the field and TOs on their side of the field . . .

my two cents . . .

for me i like to look beyond the absolute stat and see what the break down is . . .

The article does that because the breakdown is:

Pick six
Red zone
Situational

That's how you can get the extra points/points forfeited number.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

C'mon...I'm a huge unabashed homer...deep inside your heart of hearts do you really think Brady is suddenly going to sharpen his game up to previous years' levels??

I brought this up a couple of days ago...if Brady and the offense do NOT adjust to Wrecksie's deviant "amoeba" defense, the result will be a carbon copy of last year's playoff. If the Pats don't RUN at this defensive set every time the fat blubbermouth calls it, he'll use it continually the entire game.

Get the Rats in a straight man on man football game, and Brady and Co. have a chance...let these mooks walk all over the line presnap and then rush 3 men from one end and drop the LB on a WR at the line and all the rest of that deviance without attacking its' weaknesses and the Pats are in big trouble...like double digit loss trouble.

Where?

Four picks against Buffalo. Where's that?

They put 30 up on Wrecksy a few weeks back.

 

[PatsFan2]

The problem i see with Brady is the past weeks is that he is Forcing the Ball to Welker and especially Gronk. Other guys are open for atleast five yards on some of those plays...but he seems to like going for big chunks of yards instead of taking what the Defense gives him against some of the better Defenses. I wish he go back to the dink and dunk Brady. 2nd and 5 favors the Ofense...2nd and 10 favors the Defense. We need to go back to the basics...we are too much in a hurry to score...we cannot do that with this High School Defense.