Will you be pissed if pats trade down?

[MossWelkowski]

Lets say for a 3rd and 4th?

 

[patsfaninpa]

Lets say for a 3rd and 4th?

Yes. Because I'm smarter than Bill Belichick. He should consult me on all moves first.

 

[andrewgarrr]

If Watt or Jordan are not at #17, I wouldn't mind a trade down.

 

[lovsn]

Depends on who's still on the board

I'd be fine with it if Jordan, Aldon Smith, Kerrigan and Quinn are all gone.

 

[A_Ghost_In_The_Machine]

Lets say for a 3rd and 4th?

It depends which pick we are trading down from but probably, any one of our first 3 picks are worth considerably more than a 3rd and a 4th

Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

 

[The Gr8est]

Lets say for a 3rd and 4th?

If the Pats can trade #92 for one of the 4 remaining 3rd round picks and pick up an extra #4 that would be a gr8 move. Count me in!


But seriously I understand where you are coming from. Last year when the Pats could have had Dez Bryant at #22, they traded down twice and got stuck with Devin McCourty, Aaron Hernandez, and Taylor Price. Who wants to end up something like that again?


OH WAIT!!!!!

 

[patsinthesnow]

This year I will be. There isn't enough roster space for all these kids to make the team if the pats traded down. I expect a trade up and/or trading picks into 2012.

 

[Richard Camembert]

Would have made a good poll question I guess. In general, I would not be angry with a trade-down or even multiple trades down, as long as they address the needs at DE, DB, and OL.

 

[patfanken]

If Kerrigan, Watt, Smith, and Jordan are all gone, then I'd be OK with a move down to the mid 20's. I'm fine and fully expect us to trade EITHER 28 or 33 down. However I'd be pissed if we trade BOTH. I'd prefer that we move up to make sure we don't miss out on all of these players. In fact I'd trade up to get 2 of them

Right now we own 3 picks in the first 33. I do NOT want to end up with one mid round first round pick 5 2nd and 3 round picks. This is not the year to add solid football players. Its the year we should be adding immediate IMPACT players.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Right now we own 3 picks in the first 33. I do NOT want to end up with one mid round first round pick 5 2nd and 3 round picks. This is not the year to add solid football players. Its the year we should be adding immediate IMPACT players.

It seems that for the past two drafts it seems that BB has been stockpiling 2nd round picks.

Normally I would expect that to continue again in this draft, but given the lack of a CBA, I am not sure we will have an adequate supply of trade partners.

 

[PATSNUTme]

This year I will be. There isn't enough roster space for all these kids to make the team if the pats traded down. I expect a trade up and/or trading picks into 2012.

I know that is way too early and we have not seen them play and don't know which underclassmen will declare. But this list does not blow my skirt up at all.

NFL Draft - 2012 Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Given the 3 year or so window we* have with TFB, I want them to trade up this year if we can get an impact player or 2 this year.

We don't need to add 9 or 10 more rookies to the roster. We had 23 players that were 1st or 2nd year players on the roster this past season.

* I know I used the term "we", live with it.

 

[Peachhead]

This year I will be. There isn't enough roster space for all these kids to make the team if the pats traded down. I expect a trade up and/or trading picks into 2012.

^ what he said. With the possible exception of trading too much into 2012. It's a tiny risk, but still a risk.

 

[chevss454]

While I understand the 'trade up for impact' point of view and most days I'm hoping that as well, I also understand BB's value point of view. Trading up is very costly and may not get you that much better of a player.

Lately I've been leaning toward an OT in round 1 (heresy, I know) with Castonzo, Smith or Solder as targets unless someone drops (Amukamara or Bowers). Amukamara and Bowers have both had Vs so BB is doing his diligence just in case. Either would fit at 17 in my mind if they slipped but if not I see good value at the OT position with 17 and, in that case, 28 is still open for business.

If SD offers 50 & 61 for our 28 (the draft value is approx. the same) BB has the option of picking up 2 extras in the 2nd. In this case, I do agree since I think round 2 offers very good players at real value. This would give us the 33, 50, 60 and 61 picks in the 2nd to target 4 really good players. For instance, DLs (Austin, Wilkerson, Ellis, Clayborn, Taylor or Bailey), RB (Michael LeShoure, Ryan Williams), OLB (Bailey, Reed, Sheard and possibly even Aldon Smith if he slips to 33), and OL (Watkins, Ijalana, Boling, Cannon, Gilbert, Carpenter). Set up your board and let the draft come to you. You're sure to pick up 4 really good players in the 2nd round that fill more than just 1 or 2 needs.

Now the question becomes does BB like 1 player at pick 10 plus 1 in the 2nd better than he likes 5 players (his 5 picks, not mine) at 17, 33, 50, 60 and 61.

17. OT (Costanzo, Smith or Solder) or Bowers or whomever slips that BB wants plus 4 of the players mentioned above. Then throw into this mix that Bowers has slipped dramatically of late and could actually fall to us at 17.

I don't know the answer but I'm leaning towards the 5 players.

 

[DW Toys]

If the Pats can trade #92 for one of the 4 remaining 3rd round picks and pick up an extra #4 that would be a gr8 move. Count me in!


But seriously I understand where you are coming from. Last year when the Pats could have had Dez Bryant at #22, they traded down twice and got stuck with Devin McCourty, Aaron Hernandez, and Taylor Price. Who wants to end up something like that again?


OH WAIT!!!!!

Cousin, "Oh Wait" happened once the last few years but maybe not again this year. Why is it that everyone feels we have had the best Draft record over the last five or ten years when in fact, last year was good and the rest mediocre at best? As far as I am concerned (IMO)his best Drafting year was for the 07 Season when he used some picks wisely for trades and got some Free Agents in here and decided that maybe the 17% success rate that the Draft brings did not trump the players he got other ways.

Moss, Welker, Stallworth (still a reasonable year), Kyle Brady (extra tackle), Sammy Morris and his best year here, Adalius Thomas were added. Oh wait, not a bad Draft class.

Cousin I understand your exuberance about 2010 and that class. I liked it too but I'll take 07 as my preference and final result over this last year because of one final minute resulted in a missed SB trophy with a one in a thousand circus catch versus five holding and facemask penalties ignored by the zebras on that one play alone. Enough about that.

My point? Let's not think that last years results will match this year with the picks especially if he gives away the top ones for 2012 which might not have a Draft as we know it if the players and NFLPA have their way. That would be a stupid waste in picks.

DW Toys

 

[The Gr8est]

Cousin, "Oh Wait" happened once the last few years but maybe not again this year. Why is it that everyone feels we have had the best Draft record over the last five or ten years when in fact, last year was good and the rest mediocre at best? As far as I am concerned (IMO)his best Drafting year was for the 07 Season when he used some picks wisely for trades and got some Free Agents in here and decided that maybe the 17% success rate that the Draft brings did not trump the players he got other ways.

Moss, Welker, Stallworth (still a reasonable year), Kyle Brady (extra tackle), Sammy Morris and his best year here, Adalius Thomas were added. Oh wait, not a bad Draft class.

Cousin I understand your exuberance about 2010 and that class. I liked it too but I'll take 07 as my preference and final result over this last year because of one final minute resulted in a missed SB trophy with a one in a thousand circus catch versus five holding and facemask penalties ignored by the zebras on that one play alone. Enough about that.

My point? Let's not think that last years results will match this year with the picks especially if he gives away the top ones for 2012 which might not have a Draft as we know it if the players and NFLPA have their way. That would be a stupid waste in picks.

DW Toys

We not only didn't have to wait multiple years for another "Oh wait!", we only had to wait one more round last year when BB turned pick #47, Daryl Washington to Arizona, into Brandon Spikes, Zoltan Mesko, and #33 THIS year.

I trust BB knows the players better than most of us here which is why he can make these deals. Sometimes he gets just plain lucky too, as he did in 2009 when he traded down and then wasted a #2 on Sebastian Vollmer when we all knew better.

 

[Fencer]

Not particularly.

BB has been outstanding at evaluating high-pick defensive front seven guys, even if he let one or the other rusher get away. (Clay Matthews?) That's even though Hill was a bust and Brace is looking meh.

Beyond that, our areas of greatest obvious need (interior OL, RB) are not ones that demand top picks.

 

[malenurse2010]

In terms of what other teams are going to do in their drafts this is the year for the Pats to move up. The Pats are deep top to bottom with few glaring holes, other teams will look for the draft to put together their rosters with picks due to a lack of FA. Pats have plenty of surplus picks to trade and meet the needs of other teams.

 

[Seneschal2]

We may trade up or down, but selecting the players who fit best (wherever NE selects) -- is most important.

This draft, the Pats have 6 of the top 100 selections. If we get the right players, we may find an impact player or two, and hopefully find some solid players (starters/role players).

2011 Slots
1st Round – #17
1st Round – #28
2nd Round – #33
2nd Round – #60
3rd Round – #74
3rd Round – #92

2010 Selections
Round 1, Pick 27: Devin McCourty
Round 2, Pick 42: Rob Gronkowski
Round 2, Pick 53: Jermaine Cunningham
Round 2, Pick 62: Brandon Spikes
Round 3, Pick 90: Taylor Price
Round 4, Pick 113: Aaron Hernandez
Round 5, Pick 150: Zoltan Mesko

 

[MaineMan]

Lets say for a 3rd and 4th?

Just for reference, even the lowest of our top three picks - #33 - is worth (nominally) 580 SVC.

The top 3rd rounder is 265 SVC.
The top 4th rounder is 108 SVC (after comps).
Total is 373 SVC, 207 SVC short (roughly equal to a mid-3rd).

As it happens, both those picks currently belong to the Panthers. However, with no 2nd rounder, they couldn't even come close to matching 580 without trading a 2012 pick.

Actually, excluding trades using 2012 picks, there are really only about 10 teams (ending with the Chargers at #50) who might reasonably afford to trade up to the #33 spot.

 

[townes]

It all depends up how the draft is falling. I''m not opposed to moving up or down for the right players or if the right players are gone. The patriots know who is a top 10 player and who isn't, and if one falls out of that range i can see them moving for them, that's the flexibility this many picks give them. However if they see their choices for #17 gone then they should drop to where they see the value return. I honestly have no idea how these guys are grading out and don't see any Suh's in this draft so it is all going to come down to their ratings and who is left where, and Belichik alluded to that by saying the draft will depend upon how teams have graded out the top front 7 prospects, which is about as much insight into it as we can hope for.

I think this may well be the first draft where i haven't had a player who i wanted over the other potential prospects, there are alot of options and i'm going to be really interested to see how they play it. It's a shame i can't watch the first and second rounds this year as i think there is going to be a ton of movement and many surprises.