Does Parcells belong in the Pats HOF?

[Triumph]

Parcells does not belong in the Pats HOF. The only NEP HC that does is Belichick.

Parcells can wait until the Giants induct him. He belongs there and they can have him.

 

[randomk1]

Parcells does not belong in the Pats HOF. The only NEP HC that does is Belichick.

Parcells can wait until the Giants induct him. He belongs there and they can have him.

All that needs to be said.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

If McGinest was not on the team the Pats would not have made that crucial stop against Indy. Hmmm...if the Pats still had Curtis Martin they may not have needed that crucial stop....and without Tom Brady, none of it would have happened. Shoot, without Walt Coleman none of this would have happened either.

You say that he set the standard for the future fo's. Bobby Grier was junk and the demise of Pete Carroll...but should Carroll get credit for developing Bruschi and McGinest? When did Pioli start picking Tuna's brain....while he was dating spawn of Tuna or after they were wed?

BB's defensive game plan for the 1990 Giants SB is on the Hall of Fame. BB and Co. won the SB against the Rams because of defense and Tom Brady. Not sure how Tuna gets credit for this unless its because he was smart enough to hire Belichick many moons ago so BB could understand how important Otis Smith would be? LOL!

It all adds up....

I am not saying Parcells should make it to the Hall Of Fame by making a few good selections in the draft ect:....BUT No Parcells as coach in NE probably means the route that this team took to be dominant in the early decade would certainly have taken a different turn.

 

[RayClay]

Why do you allege that's not exactly what the Patriots Hall of Fame selection committee did in deeming Parcells "deserving of induction in the Patriots Hall of Fame" - noting his ability to guide the team from worst to first during the darkest days of the organization in which they were on the cusp of moving?

Because if they went just by his performance, he'd be after Holovak, Fairbanks and Berry, that's why.

If you actually read even the posts in this forum, you wouldn't need to ask the question.

 

[RayClay]

Parcells does not belong in the Pats HOF. The only NEP HC that does is Belichick.

Parcells can wait until the Giants induct him. He belongs there and they can have him.

While that's true, there's a Boston Patriots coach that does deserve it.

It's really quite amazing any team named the New England Patriots even exists.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Parcells absolutely deserves to be in. Without him, the revival of this team would have been retarted for years and they would not have achieved two playoff appearances in four years or have collected the talent be involved in the two years after his departure.

I believe Berry should be in as well. Holovak too. IMO if a coach takes a team to a championship game and have several winning seasons, they deserve it.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Because if they went just by his performance, he'd be after Holovak, Fairbanks and Berry, that's why.

If you actually read even the posts in this forum, you wouldn't need to ask the question.

So by "performance" you mean "performance not counting Super Bowl appearances"? Or did Fairbanks and Holovak bring the Patriots to a Super Bowl I wasn't aware of (though let's at least give Holovak some credit for his AFL accomplishments)?

Look if you want to cherrypick indicators of performance and leave out others than I'm confident you can find a way to eliminate anyone from consideration. Even Super Bowl appearances are just one factor of consideration.

ArmchairQuarterback does exactly that when he makes the case that Fairbanks drafting of Hall of Fame members makes him more worthy than Parcells or Belichick.

But if you want to look at the big picture, including performance in the age and era and full context in which someone played or coached, and his overall contributions to the organization, well, then you're doing what the Patriots Hall of Fame Selection Committee probably is doing.

I can virtually guarantee that's what the Selection Committee did in the case of Ron Burton, and I expect that's what the Patriots Selection Committee did in the case of Parcells.

 

[wistahpatsfan]

Parcells does not belong in the Pats HOF. The only NEP HC that does is Belichick.

Parcells can wait until the Giants induct him. He belongs there and they can have him.

This....:agree:

 

[Ring 6]

Why do you allege that's not exactly what the Patriots Hall of Fame selection committee did in deeming Parcells "deserving of induction in the Patriots Hall of Fame" - noting his ability to guide the team from worst to first during the darkest days of the organization in which they were on the cusp of moving?

If they gave him extra credit for serving as a catalyst for Kraft's purchase of the team, or the contributions his draft picks made later, I'm fine with that.

I view all those things as positives. The rest of you seem to view that as a negative - or at least something completely irrelevant to his impact on the organization.

Either that or you all have a chip on your shoulders and aren't viewing his nomination objectively.

This is a perfect example of you acting like a child.
No one disputes his positives. (Except your ridiculous claim that he is the reason Kraft bought the team)
We just do not feel those positives add up to enough to put him in the Hall of Fame.
Otis Smith had many positives. He made contributions to the franchise. No one will argue that he made contributions. But to use your logic, saying he isnt worthy of the HOF means we would be ignoring his contributions or calling them negative, which is simply not the case.
Parcells made positive contributions to the franchise. It was better off having him than not having him.
But that is still well below the LOFTY criteria that should be required for HOF induction.
It isn't the Hall of Did Something Positive.

 

[Ring 6]

The reference to Fairbanks and giving him Patriots Hall of Fame consideration because players drafted while he was coach have made the Hall of Fame and players under Parcells and Belichick have not - is really laughable.

Why is it laughable for him to consider that a factor when you use the players drafted by Grier when Parcells was coach as part of your reasoning for his belonging? He is saying the same thing you are, but you don't like it because it worked better for him that it did for you.

It's a sad day when Patriots fans are attempting to make that to make that point - just as its a sad day when Patriots fans hold regular season W-L records in higher esteem than post-season accomplishments.

I haven't seen anyone do that. I have seen people saying 2 playoff wins and 1 SB loss are not HOF worthy accomplishments.

I'd at least have expected Patriots fans not to disrespect Bob Kraft and the enthusiastic credit he gives to Parcells for serving as the catalyst for his purchase of the team.

Actually if anyone is disrespecting Kraft, it is you for giving Parcells the credit for keeping the team in NE>

You guys all can assert that **** McPherson and some unnamed owner of the Patriots (though not necessarily the New England Patriots) would have had as much success as Kraft, Parcells and Belichick - but I think everyone knows how silly that sounds.

First, McPherson was already fired.
Second, Kraft was already buying the team.
Third, if the Pats had gone 5-11 or 6-10 in all 4 of those years instead of just 2, it would have had no impact on the success that the franchise accomplished under Bill Belichick. Belichicks job was not made easier by wins that occured 5-9 years earlier. To suggest that is totally ignorant.

What can't be denied is that the Patriots own selection committee has deemed Parcells "deserving of induction in the Hall of Fame" - though some are very clearly in denial of that.

Once agian, that was the START of the discusssion. Please show any post by any person that is in denial of that.
There are MANY, MANY posts that disagree with that decision, and feel they were wrong, something you are in complete denial of.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

So by "performance" you mean "performance not counting Super Bowl appearances"? Or did Fairbanks and Holovak bring the Patriots to a Super Bowl I wasn't aware of (though let's at least give Holovak some credit for his AFL accomplishments)?

Look if you want to cherrypick indicators of performance and leave out others than I'm confident you can find a way to eliminate anyone from consideration. Even Super Bowl appearances are just one factor of consideration.

ArmchairQuarterback does exactly that when he makes the case that Fairbanks drafting of Hall of Fame members makes him more worthy than Parcells or Belichick.

But if you want to look at the big picture, including performance in the age and era and full context in which someone played or coached, and his overall contributions to the organization, well, then you're doing what the Patriots Hall of Fame Selection Committee probably is doing.

I can virtually guarantee that's what the Selection Committee did in the case of Ron Burton, and I expect that's what the Patriots Selection Committee did in the case of Parcells.

I never said anything close to that. I never mentioned Belichick, that's a total fabrication on your part.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

While that's true, there's a Boston Patriots coach that does deserve it.

It's really quite amazing any team named the New England Patriots even exists.

Holovack was before my time but here is what Parcells has to say about him, "I had really been taught, my background basically in professional football came from the New England Patriots with Bucko and Mike Holovak, who really are the ones who taught me the scouting system, the personnel evaluation system, and the things that I used my entire career."



Read more at: Transcript: Bill Parcells Conference Call

 

[RayClay]

Holovack was before my time but here is what Parcells has to say about him, "I had really been taught, my background basically in professional football came from the New England Patriots with Bucko and Mike Holovak, who really are the ones who taught me the scouting system, the personnel evaluation system, and the things that I used my entire career."



Read more at: Transcript: Bill Parcells Conference Call

Nice. He seriously might have saved a very iffy franchise and 5 winning seasons of his first 6, plus GM duties is something too.

I can't resist having fun with people who want a HOF for a fifty year old team to consist of coaches and players only from the last 15 years, and then only based on their influence on the last ten.

I'll keep it up until they induct Wiggins and JR Redmond, then I'm checking out.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Nice. He seriously might have saved a very iffy franchise and 5 winning seasons of his first 6, plus GM duties is something too.

I can't resist having fun with people who want a HOF for a fifty year old team to consist of coaches and players only from the last 15 years, and then only based on their influence on the last ten.

I'll keep it up until they induct Wiggins and JR Redmond, then I'm checking out.

Without Wiggy and Redmond, there is no dynasty.

 

[Ring 6]

Without Wiggy and Redmond, there is no dynasty.

You have no way of knowing if everything would have turned out the same way if the equipment manager had quit.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

You have no way of knowing if everything would have turned out the same way if the equipment manager had quit.

Precisely
Too many Butterfly Effect fantasies in this thread
What happened, happened

Projecting wish fullfillment fantasies to justify favored candidates is deeply and fatally flawed

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

You have no way of knowing if everything would have turned out the same way if the equipment manager had quit.

That's right, I nominate equpiment manager for the Hall of Fame.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I never said anything close to that. I never mentioned Belichick, that's a total fabrication on your part.

Um - you said that Parcells is not worthy because he, unlike Fairbanks, has seen none of his Patriots draftees make Canton.

Care to guess who else currently has none?

 

[JoeSixPat]

This whole thread has gone nuts....

People REALLY HATE Parcells with a passion.

I REALLY underestimated that - and I've been a die hard fan since the 70s! (Though apparently I remember the pre-Parcells darkness a lot better than some)

I took pride that the selection committee recognized all the important contributions made by Parcells and his role in Patriots history. I actually thought that showed a great degree of class for an organization, to recognize his contributions even in spite of how it ended

Worse than Worst at to first in 4 years... 2 playoff appearances... 1 Super Bowl appearance.

Sounds pretty good huh? (Nope - the Parcells haters will tell you he's a .500 coach.)

Yet even when presented with Krafts own words that Parcells' respect and his late season winning streak that whipped the fans into a frenzy served as the catalyst for his purchase, we see folks in denial

That was a huge contribution to Patriots history right there - there's no stat there, but then again the Patriots Hall of Fame goes out of its way to include those with off field accomplishments as they did with Sullivan.

The only thing I think we can agree on is that the Official Patriots Hall of Fame Selection Committee nominated Bill Parcells to the Patriots Hall of Fame for his contributions to the team.

The thing you have to ask yourself is this. Can you say that aloud without gritting your teeth?

If you can't you might actually be a LITTLE bit biased on this issue, and that might be coloring your perception.

 

[Triumph]

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