Bust watch

[FredFromDartmouth]

Is it just me or does this draft seem overstocked with high-bust-potential player who could go in the first round?

Here are some of the guys that I think have high bust potential:

Cam Newton: A lot of hype and skills that may not translate to the pros?
Blaine Gabbert (another poster linked to this amazing video: YouTube - Blaine Gabbert vs. Illinois
A. J. Green: Big receiver who did not run at the combine; sounds very familiar to me....
Nick Fairley: Do the Titans(?) get the good Albert Haynesworth or the bad?
Jake Locker: Accuracy problems?
Adrian Clayborn: Can you play in the NFL with one arm (I actually think so)?

 

[VJCPatriot]

I agree with Jake Locker.
Add Robert Quinn to the bust list imo.
He has all the looks of a 1 year wonder and why he didn't show up to the Combine in shape is another red flag.

 

[RussFrancis]

Is it just me or does this draft seem overstocked with high-bust-potential player who could go in the first round?

Here are some of the guys that I think have high bust potential:

Cam Newton: A lot of hype and skills that may not translate to the pros?
Blaine Gabbert (another poster linked to this amazing video: YouTube - Blaine Gabbert vs. Illinois
A. J. Green: Big receiver who did not run at the combine; sounds very familiar to me....
Nick Fairley: Do the Titans(?) get the good Albert Haynesworth or the bad?
Jake Locker: Accuracy problems?
Adrian Clayborn: Can you play in the NFL with one arm (I actually think so)?

Top 5 QBs are pretty much 50-50. One of these guys will probably bust. Agreed with Fairley. I think he'll get pushed around at the next level, and outworked. Quinn worries me because he only had the one year, and then got booted from the team. Not good. Locker might survive in the right situation, but I agree, the bust potential seems to be there. Ive got a feeling Clayborn will be a nice pro for a few years because he'll probably play with a chip on his shoulder and work his tail off. Dont see him as premier, but maybe a solid role player with the right team. If Green busts, Id be shocked. He's not smart, but I think he loves to play the game, and is focused on being great. But if the Bengals draft him, all bets are off.

 

[MaineMan]

Is it just me or does this draft seem overstocked with high-bust-potential player who could go in the first round?

Here are some of the guys that I think have high bust potential:

Cam Newton: A lot of hype and skills that may not translate to the pros?
Blaine Gabbert (another poster linked to this amazing video: YouTube - Blaine Gabbert vs. Illinois
A. J. Green: Big receiver who did not run at the combine; sounds very familiar to me....
Nick Fairley: Do the Titans(?) get the good Albert Haynesworth or the bad?
Jake Locker: Accuracy problems?
Adrian Clayborn: Can you play in the NFL with one arm (I actually think so)?

I think that with at least a couple of these guys, it may depend on where they land. Just as an example, if Newton ends up with a patient HC, a creative and flexible OC and a good QB coach on a team with a decent O-line and ground game and a couple decent pass-catchers (besides WR), he could be okay early as a running QB and develop into a fairly decent "standard" QB. Although I wouldn't put him in the same talent tier as Vick, necessarily, he offers similar tactical options in the right situation. He appears to me to be a bit ahead of where Vick was initially as a passer, too.

If Newton ends up in Oakland, though, he's probably screwed.

 

[DaBruinz]

Is it just me or does this draft seem overstocked with high-bust-potential player who could go in the first round?

Here are some of the guys that I think have high bust potential:

Cam Newton: A lot of hype and skills that may not translate to the pros?
Blaine Gabbert (another poster linked to this amazing video: YouTube - Blaine Gabbert vs. Illinois
A. J. Green: Big receiver who did not run at the combine; sounds very familiar to me....
Nick Fairley: Do the Titans(?) get the good Albert Haynesworth or the bad?
Jake Locker: Accuracy problems?
Adrian Clayborn: Can you play in the NFL with one arm (I actually think so)?

You're the same guy who came up with the BS that a receiver or RB who doesn't run at the combine ends up being a bust, right?? How'd that work out for you???

Where do you get that Clayborn only has one good wing??? His elbow surgery? The one that, by the time came rolls around, will be 6 months behind him?

 

[CTHuskies]

Is it just me or does this draft seem overstocked with high-bust-potential player who could go in the first round?

Here are some of the guys that I think have high bust potential:

Cam Newton: A lot of hype and skills that may not translate to the pros?
Blaine Gabbert (another poster linked to this amazing video: YouTube - Blaine Gabbert vs. Illinois
A. J. Green: Big receiver who did not run at the combine; sounds very familiar to me....
Nick Fairley: Do the Titans(?) get the good Albert Haynesworth or the bad?
Jake Locker: Accuracy problems?
Adrian Clayborn: Can you play in the NFL with one arm (I actually think so)?

I agree but it is no different than other years. I think it seems like more because of all the high profile players with high/risk reward potential, such as:

Cam Newton – 1 yr wonder and character!
Nick Fairley – 1 yr wonder and character!
Jake Locker – accuracy!
Adrian Clayborn – health?
Robert Quinn– 1 yr wonder?
Mark Ingram - knee?
Aldon Smith – 1 yr wonder?
Jimmy Smith – character!
Phil Taylor – weight?
Akeem Ayers – speed?
Da'Quan Bowers – health?
Ryan Mallett – character!
Martez Wilson – health?
Marvin Austin – character!
Jonathan Baldwin – character!

:bricks:

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

You're the same guy who came up with the BS that a receiver or RB who doesn't run at the combine ends up being a bust, right?? How'd that work out for you???

Where do you get that Clayborn only has one good wing??? His elbow surgery? The one that, by the time came rolls around, will be 6 months behind him?

Yes that is me and I stand by that position. If a guy is healthy and does not run at the Combine it is a huge red flag for me. The professional draftnics say it is no big deal but I don't buy it. What possible reason could the (typically big WRs) guys have not to run? Either they are too slow or cannot deal with the pressure or are shoing very poor judgementt; in either case it is bust flag to me. Even if they are slow they should have the cajones to run so that they do not get overdrafted.

Clayborn has a birth defect in his right shoulder that ain't gonna come around in 6 months. However I think I have to take him off the bust list (and put Titus Young there instead); Clayborn is a natural ass-kicker. Would be very excited if the Patriots somehow got him.

 

[stinkypete]

On the flip side, I have the feeling that Mallett will be a star. The guy's a turd, but he would be a top 10 pick if not for Roethlisburger, Vick, etc. Miami's going to take him at 15 and we're going to hate them for it for a long time.

Just another reason to trade UP and get some freakin' pass rush.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

A bit premature discussing Canton isn't it? :confused2:

 

[patchick]

Where do you get that Clayborn only has one good wing??? His elbow surgery? The one that, by the time came rolls around, will be 6 months behind him?

I think you're mixing up Adrian Clayborn with Cameron Heyward. (I keep doing that too, there's something about those two names.)

Clayborn has Erb's Palsy, a permanent shoulder defect:
ProFootballWeekly.com - Iowa DE Clayborn's play speaks for itself

 

[Off The Grid]

I think you're mixing up Adrian Clayborn with Cameron Heyward. (I keep doing that too, there's something about those two names.)

Clayborn has Erb's Palsy, a permanent shoulder defect:
ProFootballWeekly.com - Iowa DE Clayborn's play speaks for itself

Yes, I always put those guys together in my mind!!

Long Resumes, steady production, Defensive Ends, big Programs, 1st Round talent...And their names have the same rhythm: 3 syllables in the first, and 2 in the second.

Above all, though: As soon as I first saw their names, I asked myself of both: "Is he so and so's son??"

 

[Peachhead]

Aldon Smith - A little too high-cut and skinny in his lower body, clumsy, maybe not very coachable or bright. He kind of reminds me of Shawn Crable (hopefully without any injuries in his future).

Nate Solder - Stiff-legged waist bender. There's more to being an OT than size.

Jimmy Smith - Pac-man 2.0. His attitude will be his downfall.

 

[b72s]

A. Smith = Crable

Fairly one year wonder.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes that is me and I stand by that position. If a guy is healthy and does not run at the Combine it is a huge red flag for me. The professional draftnics say it is no big deal but I don't buy it. What possible reason could the (typically big WRs) guys have not to run? Either they are too slow or cannot deal with the pressure or are shoing very poor judgementt; in either case it is bust flag to me. Even if they are slow they should have the cajones to run so that they do not get overdrafted.

Clayborn has a birth defect in his right shoulder that ain't gonna come around in 6 months. However I think I have to take him off the bust list (and put Titus Young there instead); Clayborn is a natural ass-kicker. Would be very excited if the Patriots somehow got him.

It was proven that whether a player ran at the combine or not had no bearing on how he did in the NFL. You standing by that position of yours just means that you are too stubborn for your own good.

As for Clayborn, you should go read up on Erb's Palsy. It's not a degenerative issue. From everything I've seen, Clayborn doesn't lack in range of motion in his right arm. So, it would be a non issue.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think you're mixing up Adrian Clayborn with Cameron Heyward. (I keep doing that too, there's something about those two names.)

Clayborn has Erb's Palsy, a permanent shoulder defect:
ProFootballWeekly.com - Iowa DE Clayborn's play speaks for itself

Yep.. I did mix them up..

Erb's Palsy is only a "permanent shoulder defect" if the child never regains full range of motion. From what I've seen, Clayborn did regain that motion, so it should be a non-issue.

 

[DaBruinz]

Aldon Smith - A little too high-cut and skinny in his lower body, clumsy, maybe not very coachable or bright. He kind of reminds me of Shawn Crable (hopefully without any injuries in his future).

Nate Solder - Stiff-legged waist bender. There's more to being an OT than size.

Jimmy Smith - Pac-man 2.0. His attitude will be his downfall.

Where do you get that Solder is a "stiff Legged, waist bender"??? I've not seen that mentioned about him.

 

[Peachhead]

Where do you get that Solder is a "stiff Legged, waist bender"??? I've not seen that mentioned about him.

I didn't read it but I've seen it a couple times. In the Colorado/Cal game early last fall Cal's DL (incl Cam Jordan at times) ate his lunch. Solder wouldn't sit in his stance correctly and leaned over too much. So he got off balance and any counter moves blew right past him. Multiple times.

In the Senior Bowl he did the same thing vs Sam Acho and Acho got an easy sack.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

It was proven that whether a player ran at the combine or not had no bearing on how he did in the NFL. You standing by that position of yours just means that you are too stubborn for your own good.

As for Clayborn, you should go read up on Erb's Palsy. It's not a degenerative issue. From everything I've seen, Clayborn doesn't lack in range of motion in his right arm. So, it would be a non issue.

Proven? Where? I'll bet if you reviewed all the many Big WR flops...you would find that a lot did not run at the Combine. It is a red flag for me; he better have a really good reason for not running ... not some lame ass excuse about not being used to the track and would run at his pro day. That does not cut it; will he only be able to play at home? No there is something wrong if he is healthy and does not run at the Combine.

As for Clayborn the the problem is visible at practice and he is only able to play on one side of the line.

What's going on here; does everything I say have a big target on it?

 

[MaineMan]

Proven? Where? I'll bet if you reviewed all the many Big WR flops...you would find that a lot did not run at the Combine. It is a red flag for me; he better have a really good reason for not running ... not some lame ass excuse about not being used to the track and would run at his pro day. That does not cut it; will he only be able to play at home? No there is something wrong if he is healthy and does not run at the Combine.

As for Clayborn the the problem is visible at practice and he is only able to play on one side of the line.

What's going on here; does everything I say have a big target on it?

You mean those big design thingies with the concentric circles? I was wondering what those were. (I get those sometimes, too.)

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

BTW Clayborn did not lift at the Combine; that is telling me that the right arm is still a problem. However he did post the best 20 yard shuttle. He is an intriguing prospect but difficult to say where he will go. What do you do with a one-armed beast? I would hate to see him go to the Jets...