2011 Free Agent "Let's Sign This Guy" Thread

[Ring 6]

Agreed for the most part. But again, until we know what Nnamdi wants, still have to ask.

What if he takes $6 or $7M? That'd be around Moss's cap number this year. I agree that it's extremely unlikely he'd settle for that, but maybe he's sick of losing. Even Moss took a pay cut his first season. So I think we still need to look into it, no matter how unlikely.

Thats the same as asking him to play for the vet minimum.
The guy just handed back 16.8 mill and the biggest cb contract in the NFL, and you expect him to sign for Leigh Bodden money? Come on.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Just a friendly message that a certain chat room is open and waiting for people to join in.

Yes, we need some more people because Demo Man is boring the hell out of me.

 

[JackBauer]

What if he takes $6 or $7M?

Not. Going. To happen.

 

[Sciz]

I'd take him, but at no more than $8M or so a year. I want Wilfork to remain the highest paid defender on the team.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Thats the same as asking him to play for the vet minimum.
The guy just handed back 16.8 mill and the biggest cb contract in the NFL, and you expect him to sign for Leigh Bodden money? Come on.

I don't think he gave back that money with the expectation he'd make more. It'd be different if the Jets had caved on Revis, but it's clear to everyone that Raiders deal was an outlier.

The franchise figure for corners was around $9.5M, so $7M isn't peanuts, especially if we're willing to guarantee a large portion of it.

Again, I'm not saying it's likely, just that if he's serious about winning, we should investigate it no matter how unlikely.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

The labor agreement is irrelevant to his decision. If there is a lock out he wouldnt get the money whether he opted out or not.

I think you should look at this from a different perspective. I think it may help you see the history of BBs personell moves.

The quality of a player is part of the equation.
The cost of a player is part of the equation.
The Patriots sign players when the quality exceeds the cost.

They will not sign the best player, but the player who's ability exceeds his cost by the largest margin.
Moreover, the quality of the player is not determined by his career to date, but by the projection of his play during the contract.

The NFL typically pays players based upon what they HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. The 'better' the player, in perception and to the market, typically, the more experienced, older, and closer to decline the player is also.

Nnamdi will get a contract based upon his ability in the prime of his career, but that contract will extend beyond his prime. He also will get a contract based upon being considered the best cb in the NFL.

BB will sign players who are entering their prime, or who he believes are better (even just in his system) than the market perceives them to be.

This is why you see acquisitions such as Dillon and Moss. At the peak of their 'popularity' they were even better than when he acquired them, but the cost was prohibitive. As their cost decreased, even though they were no longer in their prime, their ability finally exceeded their cost.

Another way to say it is:

BB will not bring in an overrated player, no matter how good they are.
BB will bring in all of the underrated players he can get.
BB will get a correctly rated player only if necessary and only if the need is very high.

(By overrated and underrated above I mean 'rated' based on the cost of both compensation and/or contract)

The labor agreement is relevant, especially if the DB is not making things up and the owners are looking to cut the cap by 10-20%.

Randy Moss and Corey Dillon were both 30 years old in their first season with the Patriots. Asomugha will be thirty in 2011. Also NA is by all account a high character player, something Moss and Dillon were not.

Once again without knowing what it will cost you can't put a value on it in terms of production versus cost. You can speculate on what the cost will be but you don't know. Declining a minimum of $16.8 million salary for one year is a clear indication that his decision won't be solely based on money.

I have no idea whether or not the Patriots will pursue NA but then again neither do any of you saying that they won't. People who think they know how BB thinks in terms of player evaluation are wrong more often than right.

 

[DaBruinz]

I don't think he gave back that money with the expectation he'd make more. It'd be different if the Jets had caved on Revis, but it's clear to everyone that Raiders deal was an outlier.

The franchise figure for corners was around $9.5M, so $7M isn't peanuts, especially if we're willing to guarantee a large portion of it.

Again, I'm not saying it's likely, just that if he's serious about winning, we should investigate it no matter how unlikely.

I have no doubt that Asomugha is going to expect to be paid in the double digit millions.. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4 year, 52-72 million contract tossed at him with about 30-40 mill in guarantees and Signing bonus. And I just don't see the Pats doing that. Sorry.. Not when they have McCourty and Bodden there.. And Bodden they just invested in..

It's amazing how people have ignored the fact that Asomugha demanded TV and Radio time as part of his last contract as if that is nothing..

 

[VJCPatriot]

Sure if you're willing to pay top QB money for a CB, than Asomugha is in the realm of possibility. If we're going to pay out top dollar, I'd rather target Ngata. He would be a beast on this Pats DL.

 

[Ring 6]

The labor agreement is relevant, especially if the DB is not making things up and the owners are looking to cut the cap by 10-20%.

Randy Moss and Corey Dillon were both 30 years old in their first season with the Patriots. Asomugha will be thirty in 2011. Also NA is by all account a high character player, something Moss and Dillon were not.

Once again without knowing what it will cost you can't put a value on it in terms of production versus cost. You can speculate on what the cost will be but you don't know. Declining a minimum of $16.8 million salary for one year is a clear indication that his decision won't be solely based on money.

I have no idea whether or not the Patriots will pursue NA but then again neither do any of you saying that they won't. People who think they know how BB thinks in terms of player evaluation are wrong more often than right.

Moss and Dillon were acquired cheaply, at about the cost of an average player.
Not sure what you mean by the bolder statement, but feel free to actually refute any part of my analysis of how BB has operate with something more than a rhetorical coverall that ignores the facts.

 

[Ring 6]

The labor agreement is relevant, especially if the DB is not making things up and the owners are looking to cut the cap by 10-20%.

Randy Moss and Corey Dillon were both 30 years old in their first season with the Patriots. Asomugha will be thirty in 2011. Also NA is by all account a high character player, something Moss and Dillon were not.

Once again without knowing what it will cost you can't put a value on it in terms of production versus cost. You can speculate on what the cost will be but you don't know. Declining a minimum of $16.8 million salary for one year is a clear indication that his decision won't be solely based on money.

I have no idea whether or not the Patriots will pursue NA but then again neither do any of you saying that they won't. People who think they know how BB thinks in terms of player evaluation are wrong more often than right.

Also I am not sure how a 30 year old player considered the best at his position passing on a 1 year contract to cash in on a long term deal is a clear indication that its not about money.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure if you're willing to pay top QB money for a CB, than Asomugha is in the realm of possibility. If we're going to pay out top dollar, I'd rather target Ngata. He would be a beast on this Pats DL.

I'd rather spend it on Mankins, Light, and a few other value guys and continue building a well rounded team than end up having 1/3 of our cap tied up in Brady and Nnamdi.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Moss and Dillon were acquired cheaply, at about the cost of an average player.
Not sure what you mean by the bolder statement, but feel free to actually refute any part of my analysis of how BB has operate with something more than a rhetorical coverall that ignores the facts.

They were also acquired through trades and therefore already under contract so they are not really good comps for Asomugha.

What facts are you referring to? Please name these facts. A fact is not your interpretation of something.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I have no doubt that Asomugha is going to expect to be paid in the double digit millions.. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4 year, 52-72 million contract tossed at him with about 30-40 mill in guarantees and Signing bonus. And I just don't see the Pats doing that. Sorry.. Not when they have McCourty and Bodden there.. And Bodden they just invested in..

It's amazing how people have ignored the fact that Asomugha demanded TV and Radio time as part of his last contract as if that is nothing..

I expect you're right, but until we know for sure, we should inquire is all.

I've been looking around and haven't found any info on the TV/radio stuff. I just remember being in such shock over the ridiculousness of the contract numbers that I didn't really comb through it.

 

[Ring 6]

They were also acquired through trades and therefore already under contract so they are not really good comps for Asomugha.

What facts are you referring to? Please name these facts. A fact is not your interpretation of something.

YOU were the one that used them as comparison to Asomugha, I isolated them as examples of players whose cost was low compared to their ability (as perceived by BB). Both were considered damaged goods, over the hill and coming off career worst seasons.

The facts are the actual acquisitions BB has made.

If you are going to dispute my analysis and opinion, show which facts contradict it, dont just throw out a rhetorical comment that has nothing to do with the actual analysis, which is what you did.

 

[VJCPatriot]

After watching Chiefs-Ravens, I'm convinced. Get Hali please! Bring the dumptruck full of money and bring it right to his backyard! The guy is a real disruptive force playing in a 3-4 defense.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

The labor agreement is irrelevant to his decision. If there is a lock out he wouldnt get the money whether he opted out or not.

I think you should look at this from a different perspective. I think it may help you see the history of BBs personell moves.

The quality of a player is part of the equation.
The cost of a player is part of the equation.
The Patriots sign players when the quality exceeds the cost.

They will not sign the best player, but the player who's ability exceeds his cost by the largest margin.
Moreover, the quality of the player is not determined by his career to date, but by the projection of his play during the contract.

The NFL typically pays players based upon what they HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. The 'better' the player, in perception and to the market, typically, the more experienced, older, and closer to decline the player is also.

Nnamdi will get a contract based upon his ability in the prime of his career, but that contract will extend beyond his prime. He also will get a contract based upon being considered the best cb in the NFL.

BB will sign players who are entering their prime, or who he believes are better (even just in his system) than the market perceives them to be.

This is why you see acquisitions such as Dillon and Moss. At the peak of their 'popularity' they were even better than when he acquired them, but the cost was prohibitive. As their cost decreased, even though they were no longer in their prime, their ability finally exceeded their cost.

Another way to say it is:

BB will not bring in an overrated player, no matter how good they are.
BB will bring in all of the underrated players he can get.
BB will get a correctly rated player only if necessary and only if the need is very high.

(By overrated and underrated above I mean 'rated' based on the cost of both compensation and/or contract)

YOU were the one that used them as comparison to Asomugha, I isolated them as examples of players whose cost was low compared to their ability (as perceived by BB). Both were considered damaged goods, over the hill and coming off career worst seasons.

The facts are the actual acquisitions BB has made.

If you are going to dispute my analysis and opinion, show which facts contradict it, dont just throw out a rhetorical comment that has nothing to do with the actual analysis, which is what you did.

I dispute it when people on this board thing they are in Belichick's head and think without a doubt they know what he will do. If Asomugha is looking for a $70 million dollar contract than he won't get that from the Pats. If he wants to play for a winning team and is willing to sign an affordable contract than you have to consider him.

 

[Rob0729]

One positive thing about Asomugha being a free agent and potentially getting a new blockbuster deal is Revis' contract is unofficially up after next season (he has already gone on record unless he gets a new deal, he would hold out again after the 2011 season). This will likely drive up Revis' price. The Jets might want to approach Revis right after the season and do a new deal before Asomugha resets the market again.

 

[Rob0729]

After watching Chiefs-Ravens, I'm convinced. Get Hali please! Bring the dumptruck full of money and bring it right to his backyard! The guy is a real disruptive force playing in a 3-4 defense.

I think he will be franchised, but I would love to get him.

 

[mgteich]

I agree. Let's re-sign Mankins and Light. Let's re-sign Warren, Moore and Page. Let's tender (highly) Green-Ellis (or sign him to a long-term deal). Let's extend Welker. THEN, let's review our cap situation and consider free agents from other teams.

Curiously, that is the way the nfl schedules its calendar, the Belichick way. FIRST, we make decisions on our own players, including franchise tags and RFA tenders. THEN free agency begins.

As is the norm for Belichick, I do not expect to see him paying huge bucks for a free agent. Personally, I wouldn't want it any other way. I'm fine with the one big pick up once in awhile (Dillon, Colvin, Thomas, Moss, Bodden), but these are not the norm.

I'd rather spend it on Mankins, Light, and a few other value guys and continue building a well rounded team than end up having 1/3 of our cap tied up in Brady and Nnamdi.

 

[DW Toys]

I'm DB too pal, if it were so easy to win with your philosophy teams would be doing it. The truth is it has Never worked so why do you keep insisting that the way to build a championship team is by trading away draft picks and buying a team?

The Saints say howdy. What are you thinking?
DW Toys