The Worst Defense in the History of the World...

[The Dynasty]

Who are you to say the New England Patriots offense can't get it done? If it worked for the New Orleans Saints last year, it can work for the New England Patriots this year.

Saints were not the youngest defense in the NFL. Tough to expect an offense to get you a double digit lead in every playoff game.

 

[The Dynasty]

A Jets homer using the cover as a Green Bay Packers fan!

I am just not a Patriots homer like the majority of the people on here who go insane on anyone that points out any flaws of the Patriots. I am a objective Patriots fan.

 

[Ring 6]

Whoa! My name is not The Dynasty. I understand the perspective with regard to the 2010 New England Patriots.

I was agreeing with you and expanding the commentary

 

[jays52]

I am a objective Patriots fan.

And evidently one who doesn't know how to evaluate a defense.

 

[ATippett56]

I was agreeing with you and expanding the commentary

Sorry, it's just getting a little "heated" in this thread. However, I'm getting a few good laughs at the Felger shtick from a certain contrarian within this thread.

 

[ATippett56]

Saints were not the youngest defense in the NFL. Tough to expect an offense to get you a double digit lead in every playoff game.

What does age have to do with it? Before, the New England Patriots defense was too old win a Super Bowl.

 

[The Dynasty]

What does age have to do with it? Before, the New England Patriots defense was too old win a Super Bowl.

Who said that the Patriots were too old to win a Super Bowl? I never did, thats for sure.

Being young and inexperienced could lead to problems in the playoffs. The playoffs are completely different than the regular season. Tough to rely on virtually all rookies-third year players on defense.

 

[ATippett56]

Being young and inexperienced could lead to problems in the playoffs.

Tell that to Tom Brady in 2001! I guess Tom Brady in the calendar year 2010 is too inexperienced to carry this New England Patriots team to another Super Bowl?

 

[Ring 6]

Okay, first you are criticizing me for saying all of the Patriots flaws and hypothetically saying "what if they play their worst", but yet you are pointing out only the flaws of the Jets. You are one big hypocrite.

Hello???? YOU were comparing them.

The Jets had a bad game vs. the Patriots and I would say they gave up in the 2nd half, the 45 points was not the real Jets team,

What are you talking about? Now it wasnt even the Jets? Who was out there Rutgers?
Are you really honestly telling me that your proof that the Jets are great is that you dismiss when they played bad because they are so great they would never play bad, so it wasnt the real Jets, therefore they are great and it would never happen again?
Come on. Have a shead of integrity.

do you think the Pats would put up 45 on the again this year? Definitely not.

Why not? And we dont have to speculate IT HAPPENED

The Jets do some things better than the Patriots, just like the Patriots do somethings better than the Jets. Overall, I would have to say that the Jets have a better defense than the Patriots do. You really cannot disagree with that.

It depends on how much weight you put on each area. I know that I wold rather have the defense that leads the league in Ints than one that can't buy a takeaway, and I know that this season when you put your defense oin the field in the 4th quarter of a close game the Patriots defense has outperformed the Jets.
If you want to count stats, or embarrass a bad team that you will beat anyway, the advantage swings to the Jets.
I will ask again, would the Patriots be better than 12-2 with the Jets D?
I think there is no way, and I know they could be worse, because the Jets have not held in every close 4th quarter.

You cannot say that it is all the Patriots making a team play at their worst. Sometimes teams just have bad nights. You do have to give most of the credit to the winning team, but teams just have bad nights and off days. It happens. You cannot give all the credit to the Patriots.

Of course I can. They were the team on the other side of the ball.
Are you telling me the Jets just didnt feel like trying?

Yes, I ment Flynn. Here you go again, you are criticizing me for hypothetically making points, so how can you say that the Packers would have used a different game plan from what they did and would be more successful. We can only go with what actually happened on the field and what happened was that Matt Flynn, a back up QB made the Pats look terrible for the vast majority of the game. Also, why would there be different players on the field? The Patriots did not use different defense guys just because Flynn was at quarterback.

So you think the Packers call the same plays with Flynn at QB as with Riodgers and the Patriots defend them the same way? You know better.
We sub out players in packages all the time. We would be playing different packages against Rodgers than Flynn. It would have been a different game.
By the way aside from one pass when Meriwhether took out McCourty, Flynn averaged about 8 yards a completion and 5 yards an attempt (less than 4 per pass play when you account for sacks and net yards) so that isnt exactly Flynn making them look terrible like you say. The fact is the run D, with half the DL and the starting ILB out and the rest of the DL sucking wind from playing so much was the issue. If we played the normal run D we do with a healthy unit, Flynn isn't throwing on 2nd and 4 all day, and doesnt even put up the good % for not many yards that you seem to think is Hall worthy.

Then why are you giving the Patriots all the credit in the world for stopping Manning on the last possession.

Did they stop him? Do you think if you keep asking it would change that?

They gave up 14 4th quarter points and then stopped them on the last possession. So its a positive when the Patriots do it, but its bad when other teams do it? You are completely contradicting yourself. It can either be one thing or the other, not one for the Patriots and something different for every other team.

You are kidding right?
Do you not see the difference between allowing points that are not enough for the other team to catch up, and allowing enough that they do?

There have been 3 instances this year where the Patriots have stopped an opponent late in a close game. The Ravens, Colts and Packers.

That is wrong. SD, Buffalo, Minnesota, Detriot (tied at the start of the 4th) were all good defensive 5th quarters in close games. That is 7 of 12 wins. What more do you want?

I gave the Patriots all the credit in the world in the Ravens game, that was a well deserved team win and the defense came up big. The Colts game I said they gave up 14 4th quarter points and won on an INT, so it wasnt that great.

Once again, why is an Int a bad thing??????????

quote]THEN when I give other teams that do the same thing you tell me that its a bad thing to give up leads but then come up big when it matters most.[/quote]
Because it is not the same thing. Letting the other team tie you or beat you is not the same thing as NOT letting the other team tie you or beat you. Do you really, seriously not understand that? Are you saying blowing a 21 point lead and going to OT is the same as NOT blowing the lead by picking off Manning to win?

So using your logic now the Colts game shouldnt count.

No, using YOUR logic where holding the lead is the same as losing it that game wouldnt count.

Then I say the Packers game doesnt count because it was against a back up quarterback that was making his first NFL start and had never been in that situation before, a playoff quarterback would have been there before and would have most likely performed better.

OK, so we have established that you think you can pick and chose what games, plays, stops, players, and situations count and dont, and that you can decide which statistics matter more than points.
So, please educate me here. What is the Patriots REAL record? 8-6?

 

[The Dynasty]

Tell that to Tom Brady in 2001! I guess Tom Brady in the calendar year 2010 is too inexperienced to carry this New England Patriots team to another Super Bowl?

One player. He had plenty of other veterans around him. This year the defense is led by young players.

 

[Ring 6]

I am just not a Patriots homer like the majority of the people on here who go insane on anyone that points out any flaws of the Patriots. I am a objective Patriots fan.

You need to look up the definition of objective.
What you will not find is "making a statement, then changing your argument when your made up facts are proven wrong, and dismissing everything that conflicts with your opinion"
and therefore would not say such a thing about yourself.

 

[Ring 6]

One player. He had plenty of other veterans around him. This year the defense is led by young players.

Please show the correlation of teams with young defenses playing worse in the post season.
Or is this like 'you cant count on turnovers in the playoffs' in other words, something you made up?

 

[ATippett56]

One player. He had plenty of other veterans around him. This year the defense is led by young players.

Quickly, who were the starters for the Patriots defense in the 2004 AFC Divisional Playoffs?

 

[The Dynasty]

Quickly, who were the starters for the Patriots defense in the 2004 AFC Divisional Playoffs?

Harrison, Bruschi, Johnson, McGinnist. Enough said.

 

[ATippett56]

One player.

Not one player. The most important player in professional team sports aside from a playoff hockey goalie. That's why the Jets will never win a Super Bowl with the current roster.

 

[ATippett56]

Harrison, Bruschi, Johnson, McGinnist. Enough said.

It's so obvious that you purposely neglected the young players on that defense:

LDE - Warren, second year
NT - Wilfork, first year
RDE - Green, third year
LCB - Samuel, second year
RCB - Gay, first year
FS - Wilson, second year

Wow, look at all those first and second year players on the Patriots defense facing a much better Colts team in 2004 than 2010.

 

[ATippett56]

Harrison, Bruschi, Johnson, McGinnist. Enough said.

By the way Johnson, at inside linebacker, did not receive the majority of the snaps in that game. Makes me even wonder whether you even watched that game?

 

[ATippett56]

This year the defense is led by young players.

Defensive points allowed! Enjoy the stats!

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[Ring 6]

You are an absolute moron if you firmly believe that the Patriots defense is better than the Jets. You lose all credibility with that statement.

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Lets address this comment.

Over the last 11 games

The Patriots have allowed 221 points. The Patriots have scored 28 points on defense.
The Jets have allowed 212 point. The Jets have scored 11 points on defense.
The Jets have allowed 80 5th quarter points, the Patriots 78.
The Patriots have 25 takeaways, the Jets 16, so the Patriots have also, in addition to allowing 8 fewer net points (allowed minus defensive scored) they have also created 9 more opportunities for their offense to score.

Are you sure you want to stand by that comment?

 

[ATippett56]

Thoughts?

You stirred up a hornets nest!

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