Rod Woodson and Jamie Dukes laugh at Tom Brady

[TB=TD]

What will be their excuse when Brady leads this team with no offense or defense to a title?

 

[Uncle Rico]

The Patriots have always been about team, but using that against Brady is absurd. For all the interchangeable parts, he's been the great constant (along with BB). To discredit Brady because "football is a team sport" (duh) is revisionist; I don't recall the national media talking about Brady being surrounded by all-pro, great players when they won the 3-of-4 Super Bowls. It wasn't until '07 that Pats players got sent to Hawaii in significant numbers. So now, according to Woodson and Dukes, Brady was lucky to be surrounded by Hall of Famers the whole time? Silly.

 

[FCB02062]

Don't know if it's been said before, but for Brady to get his just due he's going to have to win some big playoff games again. His last few playoff appearances have been average at best - only "good" games in the last few playoff seasons have come against Jacksonville, both at home. If the Patriots can manage ONE MORE Super Bowl before the Brady window closes he will be mentioned right up there with Montana.
But, this is a "what have you done for me lately" league, and Brady lost possibly the biggest game in NFL history (to go 19-0; not saying it was his fault, he was simply the losing quarterback in the game and didn't look too good in doing it) and that's the lasting image people have of him on the big stage - not the Super Bowl wins against Carolina and Philadelphia when he was flat out amazing. They also remember the Baltimore playoff embarrassment from last year.
The last two games have been good for the Pats, but SD will be a very tough game, and historically Brady and this team has struggled in SD (other than in 2006 Divisional round when Troy Brown saved Brady from a horrific pass). I still have visions of that game in 02 (i think) when Tomlinson ran for 200 or so and SD kept doing that fake end around handoff and the Pats give up 8, 9, 10 yards a rush on that play...

 

[SVN]

here is what peter king tweeted about elway and emitt

@WhitlockJason is saying Elway is too low ... He's not alone. Remember after 14 yrs Elway was SB-less and 7-7 in playoffs.

RT @glassonion99: You think 28 is low for ESmith? All time rushing leader? Come on!... That's about right. Not near best RB ever in my book.

RT @TJMURRAY78: Who's the best back in ur opinion? riggins? ... 1Brown, 2Payton, 3Simpson, 4Sanders, 5Sayers, 6Grange, 7Motley, 8ESmith.

 

[Nikolai]

Just ask these fools how many games and Super Bowls the Pats were going to win with Drew Bledsoe at QB, and I liked Drew.

 

[Nikolai]

and Brady lost possibly the biggest game in NFL history (to go 19-0; not saying it was his fault, he was simply the losing quarterback in the game and didn't look too good in doing it)

He put the Pats in the position to win. What happened on the Giants winning drive can't be pinned on Brady by any stretch. Brady did not lose that game, the Pats did, though I'm sure Tom would take a lot of the blame. Conversely, Manning lost last year's Super Bowl, and he'll take none of the blame.

 

[Captain Cliche]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ment.php?attachmentid=3152&stc=1&d=1287853316

 

[Uncle Rico]

He put the Pats in the position to win. What happened on the Giants winning drive can't be pinned on Brady by any stretch. Brady did not lose that game, the Pats did, though I'm sure Tom would take a lot of the blame. Conversely, Manning lost last year's Super Bowl, and he'll take none of the blame.

I also think Brady was hurt more than most of us will ever know. Remember the big send-off at Foxborough? He magically appeared on and disappeared from the stage. They did a great job of covering it.

Injuries aside -- who are the great QBs in this era who haven't lost a Super Bowl? Montana and Bradshaw? Brady's 3-1 in Super Bowls; that's pretty amazing.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Because Jamie Dukes had a HoF career

Saying his team helped him, have they looked at his receivers? How many left and became average without Brady?

Thankfully the host, at least, interjected and pointed out that there really wasn't all that much talent on the 2001 team. Arguing that the rest of the team carried him that year is just asinine. And we've all seen what Deion Branch is without Brady, so I dunno if anyone can take that angle for the following two.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The immortal Jamie Dukes, everyone

Wouldn't be a big deal if he was an intelligent analyst, since lots of really smart guys weren't athletic enough to be greats (some probably weren't even athletic enough to play in the league). But Dukes is stupid and he was completely unremarkable in the NFL. WTF is he doing passing judgment on Tom Brady's career?

 

[patfanken]

Tom Brady's career stats

118 INTs
115 WINS

Doesn't seem that impressive? Do some research and try to find a quarterback that's played 7+ years and is even in the same stratosphere (hint: you won't find him because he doesn't exist and probably will never exist again.)

Dan Marino's prolific passing stats- 5% of all pass attempts are TDs
Tom Brady's meager passing stats- 5.3% of pass attempts are TDs

Tom Brady's pro-bowl talent: Randy Moss (2), Wes Welker (1), Troy Brown (1), Corey Dillon (1). Six total.

Peyton Manning's pro-bowl talent: Marvin Harrison (8), Reggie Wayne (4), Edgerrin James (4),Joseph Addai (1), Marshall Faulk (1), Dallas Clark (1). Nineteen total.

Tom Brady's two seasons with Randy Moss, the only true #1 receiver he's ever played had: 78 TDs, 21 INTs

Tom Brady's Super Bowl stats: 4 games, 1001 yards, 7 TDs ,1 INT
John Elway's Super Bowls stats: 5 games, 1128 yards, 3 TDs, 8 INTs

Tom Brady easily has a better TD:INT ratio than all of the following modern day players:

Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Dan Marino
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Donovan McNabb
(basically everyone except Ken Anderson and a couple of others who didn't put up a lot of TDs)


Yeah, he just doesn't have the stats (rolls eyes)

There's Brady, Manning, and Montana, and then there's everyone else.

This is great stuff, Ice. Its just what you need when you need to rebuff guys like Woodson (whom I generally like) and Dukes (who is consistently a boob)

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

NFL Videos: Tom Brady ranked No. 21 of all time



They have the video up, in case anyone wants to see

video doesn't work for me either




I think they are jealous of Brady's hair.

 

[harrylime70]

I actually respect Woodson but to say he played against them all is not a well thought out argument. Woodson is clearly not in a position to make a judgement on this based on a couple of performances maximum. He is usually better than that!!!

Dukes is just a fool pure and simple and not even worth listening to. His biggest claim to fame (outside of his gut) is he thinks talking above others and interrupting means he is right even though his points are crap

Pats fan or not Brady is a top 25 (minimum) all time great without a doubt and history will show this...

 

[SVN]

dukes argument was so silly about "ever ever" leader in yardage. The host was more sensibilble to bring up the cowboys o line and aikman and irvin. i wish he had asked dukes if that meant smith is better than barry sanders and jim brown.

 

[nabwong]

I actually think that Brady being 21 will spur him on even more to win the superbowl. He now has a chip, the size of rex ryan on this shoulder.

 

[Lansdowne]

Tom Brady's career stats

118 INTs
115 WINS

Doesn't seem that impressive? Do some research and try to find a quarterback that's played 7+ years and is even in the same stratosphere (hint: you won't find him because he doesn't exist and probably will never exist again.)

Dan Marino's prolific passing stats- 5% of all pass attempts are TDs
Tom Brady's meager passing stats- 5.3% of pass attempts are TDs

Tom Brady's pro-bowl talent: Randy Moss (2), Wes Welker (1), Troy Brown (1), Corey Dillon (1). Six total.

Peyton Manning's pro-bowl talent: Marvin Harrison (8), Reggie Wayne (4), Edgerrin James (4),Joseph Addai (1), Marshall Faulk (1), Dallas Clark (1). Nineteen total.

Tom Brady's two seasons with Randy Moss, the only true #1 receiver he's ever played had: 78 TDs, 21 INTs

Tom Brady's Super Bowl stats: 4 games, 1001 yards, 7 TDs ,1 INT
John Elway's Super Bowls stats: 5 games, 1128 yards, 3 TDs, 8 INTs

Tom Brady easily has a better TD:INT ratio than all of the following modern day players:

Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Dan Marino
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Donovan McNabb
(basically everyone except Ken Anderson and a couple of others who didn't put up a lot of TDs)


Yeah, he just doesn't have the stats (rolls eyes)

There's Brady, Manning, and Montana, and then there's everyone else.

Ownage.

Just for the hell of it, and I'm not sure what this proves if anything, but I felt like looking into it.

First rounders that each QB has played on the field with:

Tom Brady: Antowain Smith (1997 - BUF), Damien Woody (1999 - NE), Terry Glenn (1996 - NE), Charles Johnson (1994 - PIT), Daniel Graham (2002 - NE), Benjamin Watson (2004 - NE), J.J. Stokes (1995 - SF), Logan Mankins (2005 - NE), Laurence Maroney (2006 - NE), Randy Moss (1998 - MIN), Donte' Stallworth (2002 - NO), Kyle Brady (1995 - NYJ), Fred Taylor (JAC - 1998), Kendall Simmons (PIT - 2002), Joey Galloway (SEA - 1995)

Peyton Manning: Marshall Faulk (1994 - IND), Marvin Harrison (1996 - IND), Tarik Glenn (1997 - IND), Tony Mandarich (1989 - GB), Craig Heyward (1988 - NO), Edgerrin James (1999 - IND), Reggie Wayne (2001 - IND), Dallas Clark (2003 - IND), Joseph Addai (2006 - IND), Anthony Gonzalez (2007 - IND), Donald Brown (2009 - IND)

Brady's actually played with more guys with 1st round pedigrees, but the majority were past their primes. Also, Brady played a combined 30 seasons with his guys... but Manning played a combined 58 seasons with his.

 

[lurker1965]

Winning as a team stat
"Winning Is Team Stat" Fallacy | Bleacher Report

 

[Jetssuck]

Manning's playoff record with a top 10 defense: 5 seasons, 2-5, 1 Superbowl appearance, no Superbowl wins.

Brady's playoff record with a top 10 defense: 6 seasons, 13-3, 4 Superbowl appearances, 3 Superbowl wins.

Manning's playoff record with a top 2 defense: 2 seasons, 0-2.

Brady's playoff record with a top 2 defense: 3 seasons, 8-1, 2 Superbowl wins.

Manning never has had good defenses like Brady. Just another lie created by the Manning suckups

 

[Jackson 2]

I just watched the clip. The only person I saw laughing was Dukes and it appeared to me he was laughing at the fact that Brady was ranked ahead of Emmitt Smith and not really at Brady's inclusion in the argument. Now, Woodson was clearly offended by Brady's ranking and pretty dismissive of his talents and achievements. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that every time since Brady has been in the league, the Patriots have kicked the Steelers' asses when it counted. He really sounded like a sore loser in the Marshall Faulk mold. Frankly, I love watching this type of stuff because it really illustrates what bitter fools some of these guys are.

 

[SVN]

until 2007 when brady put up all the stats ...everyone kept saying the same thing -system qb,has a great coach, great defense etc etc .so its the same now ..and he will always have this because he doesnt have the manning/marino stats and he has BB as his coach. of course people forget that bill walsh had montana play his system too...
bottom line it will never go away until he breaks all these statistics