Patriots Without An Answer For Loss of Moss

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Patriots Without An Answer For Loss of Moss
By: Ian Logue

Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Brandon Tate, and Taylor Price. That's what Tom Brady now has to work with at the wide receiver position for the remainder of this season.

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[D-Money]

I am sure Brady would take it if he was 23.The guy's in his prime and we are talking about 3 to 4 years down the road.

 

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Patriots Without An Answer For Loss of Moss
By: Ian Logue

Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Brandon Tate, and Taylor Price. That's what Tom Brady now has to work with at the wide receiver position for the rest of 2010....

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[IllegalContact]

what happened to slater?

 

[Ian]

what happened to slater?

I wouldn't exactly consider him a starting caliber receiver. I'd say the same about a couple of the other random names on the roster also. What happens next is definitely puzzling to say the least.

 

[DaBruinz]

What about Hernandez, Gronkowski and Crumpler?

They are TEs, but are also part of the receiving corps..

 

[51Hits]

I am sure Brady would take it if he was 23.The guy's in his prime and we are talking about 3 to 4 years down the road.

Exactly.

One of those receivers hasn't even been healthy enough to suit up yet.

Our offensive production just went down. What's funny is it's 4 weeks into the ****** season and we decide we're good enough without Moss? Lets see how open everyone gets now. Like I said before.

Welker is like 60%, Edelman has been a ghost, Tate is ineffective in the passing game so far. So what made him comfortable enough to move Moss? They looked fine all game to me, and after his outburst, his team didn't look distracted at all. If this is over an argument with Bil O' Brien, my lord.

To people saying Moss hasn't won any superbowls..He should have one, one season he had no Brady, last season he had no defense, and this year? Guess what, Bill O Brien hasn't proven he's valuable as a coach, not even close like Randy has proved his value. This team didn't look distracted to me monday night. Also, if Randy had those great Patriot defenses, he would have a super bowl.

These Patriot teams dont have those defenses, we needed Moss this season, period. This isn't a performance based move, this is a move made out of anger by Belichick. It also hurts the team. And also, people act like we just got fair value or something. For goodness sakes we've seen O'Connel and Crable come out of the 3rd round lately and people think this pick will help them? Your happy to get a solid contributor at best of a 3rd rounder, that's not fair value for what Moss could've helped this team accomplish this season.

I'm gonna laugh when BB trades down and everyone's freaking out. Once this team struggles, half the people defending this move will be the same ones saying BB struggles at putting talent on the team. This move gets rid of a lot of talent, for a draft pick with less than %50 of a chance to stick around and have the same productive run Moss had for us.

 

[Patspsycho]

Also, we have a week and half to come up with an answer. I am sure something will happen.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I wouldn't exactly consider him a starting caliber receiver. I'd say the same about a couple of the other random names on the roster also. What happens next is definitely puzzling to say the least.

Hey Ian

Not to be critical, but have you noticed that the passing game and the offense is in transition? We drafted two TE's?

I'm not happy with the trade and suprised but it's obvious where the team is going so it's shocking you seem to think this is in a vacuum.

 

[JR4]

Will Moss really be that big of a loss? Was he being double teamed
by Jets? by Dolphins? It seemed Davis and Cromartie were man up
on him and I didn't see a lot separation. Brady seemed to be trying
to get the Ball to Moss, up until the fins game, even when there was
tight coverage.

With out Moss on the receiving end and only have one defender on him
Brady still found several of his most favorite receivers, the open ones.

My prediction is Pats will still move the ball very well with out Moss and
they will still be a top offense in this league.

 

[Ian]

Hey Ian

Not to be critical, but have you noticed that the passing game and the offense is in transition? We drafted two TE's?

I'm not happy with the trade and suprised but it's obvious where the team is going so it's shocking you seem to think this is in a vacuum.

You'd have to read the entire article for that to make more sense - I was just talking about the receivers, and I mentioned the tight ends in the piece.

I agree the sky isn't falling by any means, but they did get rid of one of their better players on offense and they don't have a clear cut answer for his trade yet. Judging by what I read I understand why it came to that (which I wrote) but before the season even started if they decided they weren't going to re-sign him, I'm curious to know what the long-term plan was. That's more or less the premise of the article.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I wouldn't exactly consider him a starting caliber receiver. I'd say the same about a couple of the other random names on the roster also. What happens next is definitely puzzling to say the least.

Ian. Great, but depressing, article.

Two thoughts from the peanut gallery.

One. Belichick must have felt he had no alternative; that Moss had to go. It's the only reason to do something that is ostensibly so contrary to the Pats best interests this season.

Two. If things got to that point, there has to be at least some accountability for mishandling the situation from O'Brien to Belichick to the Krafts. The NFL can't be so unique a work environment that management isn't accountable to some degree if a star employee is dissatisfied.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Got WOOD??

 

[Ian]

Ian. Great, but depressing, article.

Two thoughts from the peanut gallery.

One. Belichick must have felt he had no alternative; that Moss had to go. It's the only reason to do something that is ostensibly so contrary to the Pats best interests this season.

Two. If things got to that point, there has to be at least some accountability for mishandling the situation from O'Brien to Belichick to the Krafts. The NFL can't be so unique a work environment that management isn't accountable to some degree if a star employee is dissatisfied.

I agree, and those were the things I didn't understand. I get why they had to do it, especially if it escalated. You can't have a malcontent no matter how talented they are. It's just disappointing that it reached this point, and now unfortunately his teammates to a certain extent are going to have to suffer for it. Hopefully some of the younger guys get inspired to "up their game" and establish themselves - because they're clearly going to need it.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

You'd have to read the entire article for that to make more sense - I was just talking about the receivers, and I mentioned the tight ends in the piece.

I agree the sky isn't falling by any means, but they did get rid of one of their better players on offense and they don't have a clear cut answer for his trade yet. Judging by what I read I understand why it came to that (which I wrote) but before the season even started if they decided they weren't going to re-sign him, I'm curious to know what the long-term plan was. That's more or less the premise of the article.

Ian

It appears Monday's night game was the "answer". It was interesting that they were all fired up and Moss was basically never targeted. Seems that the value of Moss drawing double coverage was not that highly rated by the staff.

I guess this also means that BJGE as our back.

I think where we may off kilter is the idea that Moss would have a monster year in a contract year. Perhaps he forced the trade because being an insignificant decoy doesn't land a huge contract.

TE comment aside, I think the "answer" was in April.

 

[Ian]

Ian

It appears Monday's night game was the "answer". It was interesting that they were all fired up and Moss was basically never targeted. Seems that the value of Moss drawing double coverage was not that highly rated by the staff.

I guess this also means that BJGE as our back.

I think where we may off kilter is the idea that Moss would have a monster year in a contract year. Perhaps he forced the trade because being an insignificant decoy doesn't land a huge contract.

TE comment aside, I think the "answer" was in April.

I think after talking to someone else this afternoon that he's full of self doubt, and that's the reason he was pushing the issue for a new deal. The possibility of no football in '11 if he finished the season without a contract may have also been detrimental since the odds of him getting signed quickly would have diminished since most teams would put that on hold.

I wrote about BJGE after the game about how well he's played - so I'm in agreement with you there.

As I said the interesting thing is how they deal with his loss and what the long term plan is, because they need another impact guy to compliment Welker, and so far the remaining three receivers (tight ends aside) haven't proven they can make an impact just yet. I don't think Edelman's 100% yet so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. It's the other two I'm not confident in yet.

 

[DaBruinz]

Exactly.

One of those receivers hasn't even been healthy enough to suit up yet. Which receiver hasn't been healthy enough to suit up yet???

Our offensive production just went down. What's funny is it's 4 weeks into the ****** season and we decide we're good enough without Moss? Lets see how open everyone gets now. Like I said before.

Welker is like 60%, Edelman has been a ghost, Tate is ineffective in the passing game so far. So what made him comfortable enough to move Moss? They looked fine all game to me, and after his outburst, his team didn't look distracted at all. If this is over an argument with Bil O' Brien, my lord. Up until now, Edelman was the 4th receiver and Price the 5th. Not sure how you can say that Tate has been ineffective in the Passing game when his stats are almost identical to Moss'

To people saying Moss hasn't won any superbowls..He should have one, one season he had no Brady, last season he had no defense, and this year? Guess what, Bill O Brien hasn't proven he's valuable as a coach, not even close like Randy has proved his value. This team didn't look distracted to me monday night. Also, if Randy had those great Patriot defenses, he would have a super bowl.

Any intelligent person knows that Moss can't win a SB by himself. They also know that Moss wasn't to blame for 2007 and that the reference has been taken out of context.

As for Monday night, can you say with certainty that Randy wasn't distracted on the fake by Brady at the end of the half? I can't.

These Patriot teams dont have those defenses, we needed Moss this season, period. This isn't a performance based move, this is a move made out of anger by Belichick. It also hurts the team. And also, people act like we just got fair value or something. For goodness sakes we've seen O'Connel and Crable come out of the 3rd round lately and people think this pick will help them? Your happy to get a solid contributor at best of a 3rd rounder, that's not fair value for what Moss could've helped this team accomplish this season.

Your claim that this is an "anger based move" by Belichick has no foundation. It's pure BS speculation on your part. In fact, there are 3 reports out there that say that this move was forced by Randy because of Randy's actions towards the coaches and Patriots Management.

You can only say that this hurts the team if you can actually see the future. I don't believe you can.

I'm gonna laugh when BB trades down and everyone's freaking out. Once this team struggles, half the people defending this move will be the same ones saying BB struggles at putting talent on the team. This move gets rid of a lot of talent, for a draft pick with less than %50 of a chance to stick around and have the same productive run Moss had for us.

Not sure where you have been, but this team has been struggling despite Randy being here. There are a ton of young players on this team that could easily be negatively influenced by Randy's antics. That would be worse than the draft pick not working out.

 

[Ian]

Not sure where you have been, but this team has been struggling despite Randy being here. There are a ton of young players on this team that could easily be negatively influenced by Randy's antics. That would be worse than the draft pick not working out.

That's actually a good point. I think that's going to be an interesting discussion later this season when it's time for Mankins to return. Do they let him come back if they can't reach a deal? Everyone knows what it's like to work with someone who hates management and badmouths their boss, etc. There's always a few who agree and those who don't - but it's the ones who start agreeing that you have to worry about.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Ian, its a, interesting article but I see this offense as still having some weapons, we've seen Brady do more with less than what he has now. I think BB may have been planning for a Moss free offense and has accounted for it with the draft picks. It would have been nice if Tory Holt was healthy.

 

[Teenuh]

Great article, Ian.

Ugh... I need a drink. This is the worst move since the Chargers let LT go.