AFCE contract news: D'Bust signs D'extension

[Joker]

Your all star RB scored 7 TD's in 15 games and I'm the one beaten and bloody?

Jesus, who knew.

never said anything of the kind..it was stated that "Maroney is the worst back in the league!!!! Bust!!!"...I just provided the LATEST look at that idiotic premise and yes, it turns out you are an insane person.

 

[DaBruinz]

All you got out of the draft was a kicker.

The draft was absolutely horrid.

WOW. Nothing like not knowing what you are talking about.

Maroney - Competant starting RB in the NFL

David Thomas - Decent 3rd TE who was traded for a 5th round pick.

Ryan O'Callaghan - OT - Started 6 games as a rookie when Kaczur was out. Showed to be more than effective except was susceptible to concussions.

Willie Andrews - Star Special Teams player. Only off-field issues derailed his career after 2 years.

LeKevin Smith - JAG D-lineman.

Only an idiot hater would claim the draft was "horrid".

a HORRID draft would be something like only having only Victor Hobson being the only competent player when you draft someone like D-Rob at 4th overall and you have 7 picks.

 

[Ring 6]

He's definitely well above average at being a pulling guard, but bad at just about every other part of his game. And, FO also said that he's been terrible in pass protection, and that he wasn't going to do Leinart any favors. Which brings us to the main point: Faneca was the weak link in pass protection, Ferguson had to make up for Faneca's weakness more than he was aided by his strengths. Especially considering Faneca's strength, according to FO (objectively), was blocking on the other side of the line than Ferguson. And Faneca's weakness, according to FO (objectively), was pass-blocking right next to Ferguson.

He is a good drive blocker too, and he is a smart OL who helps with blitz pickup and in pass protection.
His pass blocking problems amount to allowing 6 sacks all season. Its crazy IMO to say that the guy who was most important to your running game on a running team is a negative on your team because of 6 plays.

Ferguson NEVER had to make up for Faneca. It does not work that way. A LT never helps out a G in pass protection. Fanecas impact on Ferguson (in pass protection) can only be to cover his mistakes, not to add to his job.

 

[Too_Funny]

never said anything of the kind..it was stated that "Maroney is the worst back in the league!!!! Bust!!!"...I just provided the LATEST look at that idiotic premise and yes, it turns out you are an insane person.

"Maroney is the worst starting RB in the division"

Is what was said.

 

[Sciz]

DE: Gholston - Completely undersized, was moved because he busted at OLB
NT: Pouha - Played very well filling in for Jenkins
OLB: Taylor - 35 years old, not good option on early downs
or Westermann - Undrafted in 2009, played 105 snaps
ILB: Cummings - Undrafted in 2009, no defense game experience
or Laury - Entering 5th year, played 1 defensive snap last season
CB: Wilson - 1st round rookie
/ Lowery - 3rd year player, played 566 defensive snaps last season
S: Smith - 5th year, played 424 snaps
/ Ihedigbo (Dig) - 50 regular season snaps, very few in coverage
/ Lowery

DE: Mike Wright - 9 starts, 587 snaps, 5 sacks
NT: Ron Brace - 55 snaps, was not pretty
OLB: Jermaine Cunningham - 2nd round rookie
or Rob Ninkovich - 5th round pick in 2006, 127 snaps last season
ILB: Gary Guyton - 844 snaps last season
or Tyrone McKenzie - 3rd round pick in 2009, spent all of season on IR
CB: Devin McCourty - 1st round draft pick
S: Brandon McGowan - 11 starts last season, 720 snaps
or James Sanders - 5 starts last season, 51 career starts

Summary:
Jets have 2nd year undrafted players with very little experience as primary backups, along with one high 2010 pick, a huge bust, a 35 year old, a surprisingly good fill-in last season, and a player with plenty of starting experience that may need to switch positions to see the field now.
The Patriots have a combination of players with starting experience in the past, along with 4 top-3 round picks over the last two drafts.

Basically, Patriots have high picks with no experience, Jets have undrafted players with no experience.

 

[Kontradiction]

Wow, this thread blew up since I went to the gym. Faneca improved the Jets offensive line and is now being replaced by a rookie. He also made Ferguson look better when he was there. Jets overpayed... badly... for Ferguson and should have waited until after the season to see whether or not he fell back to pre-2008 D'Bust before they gave him a huge extension.

 

[Too_Funny]

Maroney - Competant starting RB in the NFL

Gotcha. We're all looking for competant starters to finally produce after 4 seasons in the NFL. Isn't it ironic that you won't hesitate to label Gholston a bust, even if he decided to play 'competently' this season.

David Thomas - Decent 3rd TE who was traded for a 5th round pick.

What did that 5th round pick turn in to? Decent 3rd TE? What

Ryan O'Callaghan - OT - Started 6 games as a rookie when Kaczur was out. Showed to be more than effective except was susceptible to concussions.

So you drafted an injury prone OT? Awesome.

Willie Andrews - Star Special Teams player. Only off-field issues derailed his career after 2 years.

So he's no longer on the team? No kidding?

LeKevin Smith - JAG D-lineman.

Cool.


The draft was abysmal.

 

[Ring 6]

So why couldn't the scat back in a passing offense garner a decent YPC?

Their line was simply that bad.

Sorry if you missed the point at hand.

There are a ton of reason why any player would have a low average starting with the fact that he is too small to play the position.
How do you explain Tomlinsons horrendous 3.3 average, or the fact that he didnt exceed 4.o in ANY of the last 15 games after barely squeaking it out against the hapless Raiders at 13-55 in week 1?

 

[Ring 6]

"Maroney is the worst starting RB in the division"

Is what was said.

An is wrong

 

[Too_Funny]

There are a ton of reason why any player would have a low average

Would one of those reasons involve the OL being built to cater to Philip Rivers and a featured passing attack?

As opposed to the offense Schotty Sr. ran which almost exlusively featured LT.

He still averaged 7.7 YAC but didn't receive hardly any to justify the numbers.

SD ran him out of town.

 

[DaBruinz]

How come the Jets were first in the league running to the right side, away from
the turnstile at left guard, and seventeenth when running towards the left side?
Per football outsiders.

How is that for objective?

It's not, actually. Because you don't provide a link and you don't provide the numbers to support what they said.

But, I can provide you a link and numbers..

Thomas Jones Splits - Kansas City Chiefs - ESPN
Shonn Greene Splits - New York Jets - ESPN


Middle = A Gaps
Right/Left side = B Gaps
"Sideline" = C/D Gaps.

Thomas Jones - Run Left = 4.6 YPC. Run Right = 4.9 YPC.
Greene - Run Left = 4.6 YPC Run Right = 4.6 YPC

However, it should be noted that they ran RIGHT more than twice what they ran left. But, with the B-Gap, it could have something to do with the TACKLE as much as the GUARD. It should also be noted that the Jets Primary run formation is Strong Side Right, not Strong Side Left.

It's a funny little thing called PERSPECTIVE. You might want to learn about it.

 

[Too_Funny]

An is wrong

Link?

You could provide the injury history of Ronnie Brown. But he missed an entire season as well.

You could tell me you hadn't seen enough of Greene but the truth is Bill would swap them out and not even think twice about it.

You could tell me he's better than Jackson &/or Lynch but he isn't.

 

[Joker]

you manufacture custom made excuses for every move the Rats make....too bad there's no excuse for getting slaughtered 31-14 the last time the two teams met...or is there? Fill us in ,Captain Insano...

 

[Kontradiction]

Would one of those reasons involve the OL being built to cater to Philip Rivers and a featured passing attack?

As opposed to the offense Schotty Sr. ran which almost exlusively featured LT.

He still averaged 7.7 YAC but didn't receive hardly any to justify the numbers.

SD ran him out of town.

Jets fans are, by and large, the only fans out there who still think Tomlinson has anything left in the tank. Literally every other NFL fan out there (and this includes San Diego fans who idolize the guy for what he did for the team) can tell he's done. Look at him and take the rose colored goggles off and you should agree. Take a look at the San Diego forums and see what they think about L.T.

By the way, Faneca was the second best run blocker on your team (besides Mangold). Do you suddenly think that the Jets offensive line is going to get better than it has been with Ducasse, a rookie who has not played an NFL down, in his place?

 

[Ring 6]

Would one of those reasons involve the OL being built to cater to Philip Rivers and a featured passing attack?

As opposed to the offense Schotty Sr. ran which almost exlusively featured LT.

He still averaged 7.7 YAC but didn't receive hardly any to justify the numbers.

SD ran him out of town.

You only had to watch him to know he was a big part of the problem.
Blaming the OL is lame.
Why couldn't he even muster what the 5 foot 100lb guy did?

 

[Too_Funny]

you manufacture custom made excuses for every move the Rats make....too bad there's no excuse for getting slaughtered 31-14 the last time the two teams met...or is there? Fill us in ,Captain Insano...

The last time the Patriots took the field against a very similar opponent, they not only got slaughtered. They were boo'd off the field by their fans.

Literally boo'd off the field.

 

[Too_Funny]

You only had to watch him to know he was a big part of the problem.
Blaming the OL is lame.
Why couldn't he even muster what the 5 foot 100lb guy did?

Goal line carries and more opportunities to run into the back of his linemans ass as they got pushed into his gaps.

 

[DaBruinz]

lol.

The worst starting RB in the division.

And a bunch of JAGS who you continually replace with double digit picks each draft.

Maroney isn't the worst starting RB in the division nor is he the worst starting RB in the league. He's Competent. And that is not a bad thing. Just because you have no objectivity because of your idiot hatred, doesn't mean the rest of us are as stupid as you.

As for the draft picks, are you jealous or something? The Pats, under Belichick, have had double digit draft picks 6 of 11 times. However, it should be noted that in 2009 and 2010, they had double digit picks because of Compensatory Picks.

 

[DaBruinz]

They all had a higher YPC than Sproles too.

Would you trade Faulk &/or Taylor for him?

Of course you would.

Hell no I wouldn't. LT stinks. Plus he's a cancer.

 

[Too_Funny]

Yawn.