OT: Schefter on WHY Jersey got 2014 Super Bowl

[Tunescribe]

lol...take it easy. I did add 'with all due respect'.

Let me put it this way, boston is the largest single team market in the league (this excludes the NY Jets). Keeping the stadium in the boston area will make the NFL billions (with a B) in network television contracts in the long term. Do you honestly think the league wanted to get out of this market? Is it fair to say the league would do everything in it's power to keep the team in this market? All I'm saying is read read between the lines.

Gotta run.

I don't know what you're smokin' dude, but what you're talking about has no relation to the substance of my posts. I merely was referring to Kraft paying for stadium construction sans public funds or league $$$ -- nothing to do with your notion of a move out of the market.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Absolutely. If Kraft and two or three others hadn't been on board from the beginning, it never would have come to the table.

Folks here have to realize that Bob Kraft and the Patriots are the single greatest "success story" among NFL owners in the last 15 years, taking a sleepy, low value franchise to the billion dollar range. Goodell and the league have no interest or incentive in doing anything that makes Bob unhappy.

The NFL is a business and there is littler "personal" bad blood among the owners. Yes, there are feuds that go back to the establishment of the modern NFL [most of them involving Al Davis (surprise!) and the now deceased Lamar Hunt].

But, if people think that there is anything but professional respect and, in some cases, friendship among people like Irsay, Jones, Kraft, Laurie, Mara, the Rooneys, Snyder, Tisch and even Woody Johnson, they are just wrong and/or projecting their own feelings onto what they perceive. Are they highly competitive with each other like you would expect self-made (mostly) billionaires to be? You bet! Do they have fights and shouting arguments from time to time? Absolutely! But, in the end, this is a bunch of rich guys who are making each other richer...and they all know it. At the end of the day, they break out the good cognac and cigars.

I'm not big on conspiracy theories and before I witnessed spygate, I would have agreed with you. If Kraft had the influence you seem to think he has, spygate would have been handled very, very differently by the NFL. Do you genuinely believe it would have been handled the same way if it was the Colts or the Jets?

 

[N.Eman]

What? First time I've heard this. My understanding was that Kraft footed the full stadium cost and the state kicked in a minor sum for road improvements.

News to me too!!! WOW!

 

[JoeSixPat]

Per Adam Schefter from his recent WEEI interview: New Jersey was awarded the 2014 Super Bowl on a "one-time only basis" by Goodell and company for one reason and one reason only: to boost the asking price for the new Meadowlands stadium naming rights. It had nothing at all to do with exploring cold-weather venues, etc., etc. but to help the Giants and Green Beans ownership collect $$$ on their billion-plus investment. So, don't expect to see another cold-weather Super Bowl in our lifetimes.

It wouldn't be the first time that Goodell has given NY preferential treatment - but I remain hopeful that the broader policy could be used to support organizations that self-finance.

In the Meadowlands' case the high profile Super Bowl makes the naming rights worth more

In the Patriots' case the game would boost tourism and bring in gobs of extra income for the Krafts.

In both cases I'm supportive because organizations that don't look to taxpayers to foot the entire bill, and come up with creative corporate/advertising revenue, should be rewarded.

 

[Triumph]

Does he also have a pro-Arizona, Dallas, and Indy agenda since all 3 of those places also got Super Bowls to help their owners collect $ on their new stadiums?

No

Build a new stadium and get a SB. Preferably a revenue generating one like Kraft, Jones, NY built. NY getting a SB has a lot to do with whats going on in LA, Minnesota and SD. SD has been black listed for any SBs until they build a new arena. Minny needs a new place and the NFL wants to move a team to LA.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I'm not big on conspiracy theories and before I witnessed spygate, I would have agreed with you. If Kraft had the influence you seem to think he has, spygate would have been handled very, very differently by the NFL. Do you genuinely believe it would have been handled the same way if it was the Colts or the Jets?

Well, if you live outside NE, as I do, all you hear is how "easy" Goodell let the Pats off and how the fix was in that there was no suspension of Belichick or a forfeited game and that it was only because of Kraft's pull that the League destroyed the evidence that would have proven the Pats did much worse over the years.

Clearly, I don't agree with any of those ideas, but, as the old saying goes, "Where you sit is where you stand."

 

[spacecrime]

Does he also have a pro-Arizona, Dallas, and Indy agenda since all 3 of those places also got Super Bowls to help their owners collect $ on their new stadiums?

Those are domed stadiuims, aren't they?

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

New Jersey in February? How disgusting is that? New Jersey is bad enough but in February? Are they out of their minds? Who wants to go to that? Not me. I hope it is 10 below.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I read that it was 150 million? Either way, yes the league helping out with stadium costs is not new, they did it for the Eagles as well.

Yes it WAS a new idea. It was promoted by a certain Mr. R. Kraft when many new stadium deals were foundering on team participation.

Kraft and other owners got the League to create a fund to guarantee some funding for stadiums. Then he used the new facility on Gillette while the Eagles used it for the Lincoln Field.

If I am not mistaken, the Steelers did likewise and perhaps the Bengals and Texans. Certainly it is instrumental it getting the Stadium discussion moving in Los Angeles, too, and in New Jersey.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Well, if you live outside NE, as I do, all you hear is how "easy" Goodell let the Pats off and how the fix was in that there was no suspension of Belichick or a forfeited game and that it was only because of Kraft's pull that the League destroyed the evidence that would have proven the Pats did much worse over the years.

Clearly, I don't agree with any of those ideas, but, as the old saying goes, "Where you sit is where you stand."

Perhaps those "people" don't understand that the punishment that both the Pats and BB received were the largest in league history. Regardless, neither the Jets nor the Colts would have been punished so severely.

 

[zoostation]

I don't know what you're smokin' dude, but what you're talking about has no relation to the substance of my posts. I merely was referring to Kraft paying for stadium construction sans public funds or league $$$ -- nothing to do with your notion of a move out of the market.

I'm referring to this statement.

What? First time I've heard this. My understanding was that Kraft footed the full stadium cost and the state kicked in a minor sum for road improvements.

Your understanding is Kraft footed the full stadium cost. My point is that he had significant help ($$$) from the NFL as they did not want the team to move. The Patriots had planned to move to both Providence and Connecticut, but the NFL worked out a financing program in Massachusetts that allowed the team to stay and build its own stadium.

Gillette Stadium

 

[Triumph]

Yes it WAS a new idea. It was promoted by a certain Mr. R. Kraft when many new stadium deals were foundering on team participation.

Kraft and other owners got the League to create a fund to guarantee some funding for stadiums. Then he used the new facility on Gillette while the Eagles used it for the Lincoln Field.

If I am not mistaken, the Steelers did likewise and perhaps the Bengals and Texans. Certainly it is instrumental it getting the Stadium discussion moving in Los Angeles, too, and in New Jersey.

Denver used the G3 fund and Cleveland.

IIRC, Cleveland finance nearly their whole stadium through G3 monies.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'm referring to this statement.



Your understanding is Kraft footed the full stadium cost. My point is that he had significant help ($$$) from the NFL as they did not want the team to move. The Patriots had planned to move to both Providence and Connecticut, but the NFL worked out a financing program in Massachusetts that allowed the team to stay and build its own stadium.

Gillette Stadium

But Kraft DID foot the full stadium cost. The only "revelation" here is that the NFL helped with half the financing. This does not mean the league paid for any of it, it means the league helped him secure a full construction mortgage.

When Kraft inked a deal with Hartford, the city/state were going to kick in significant dollars to make the stadium happen. And it very well might have had the toxic site cleanup snag not occurred. There was no assistance offered from the league in that deal because none was needed. The KEY to Kraft coming back to Foxboro was the state finally agreeing to the $70 million infrastructure improvements. While I'm sure it helped Kraft significantly, I've read nowhere that league financing assistance was a determining factor in keeping the team in Foxboro. In fact, Kraft was at one point looking into rehabbing old Foxboro Stadium as an alternative.

By the way, there never was a plan formally proposed for moving to Providence, although Rhode Island politicians gave it some lip service.

 

[PatsChamp88]

Money is pretty much the bottom line in every big decision made in this world. To say the least, this does not suprise me.

After all it makes the world go round

 

[zoostation]

But Kraft DID foot the full stadium cost. The only "revelation" here is that the NFL helped with half the financing. This does not mean the league paid for any of it, it means the league helped him secure a full construction mortgage.

When Kraft inked a deal with Hartford, the city/state were going to kick in significant dollars to make the stadium happen. And it very well might have had the toxic site cleanup snag not occurred. There was no assistance offered from the league in that deal because none was needed. The KEY to Kraft coming back to Foxboro was the state finally agreeing to the $70 million infrastructure improvements. While I'm sure it helped Kraft significantly, I've read nowhere that league financing assistance was a determining factor in keeping the team in Foxboro. In fact, Kraft was at one point looking into rehabbing old Foxboro Stadium as an alternative.

Oh my aching head.

League financing assistance adds up to millions.

I'm going back to calling you naive.

 

[Tunescribe]

Oh my aching head.

League financing assistance adds up to millions.

I'm going back to calling you naive.

Oh my aching arse. Anyone who thinks league financing is what kept the Pats in Foxboro is not only naive, he's deliberately misinformed.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

the league does help it's teams, there's no doubt. HOWEVER, the league broke it's own rule to show NY favoritism. It's the same favoritism that got the giants their extra home game in 2005 after katrina.