OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

[RobAllan]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

I'm not very knowledgeable about prescription drugs, so excuse me if I'm wrong - but isn't Vicodin simply a painkiller?

And what the frig is wrong with taking a couple?!

Good Lord. Hopefully this gets laughed out of court.

It's a prescription painkiller and also classed as a narcotic.

That said, I'm having trouble with this one. Because it's the Saints I feel like it's no big deal. But then when I ask myself what I'd be saying if it was Rex Ryan and the Jest... well, I just don't know.

I hope it's all just bogus. I do know that I like Payton a lot and this won't change my opinion of the man at all.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

It's a prescription painkiller and also classed as a narcotic.

That said, I'm having trouble with this one. Because it's the Saints I feel like it's no big deal. But then when I ask myself what I'd be saying if it was Rex Ryan and the Jest... well, I just don't know.

I hope it's all just bogus. I do know that I like Payton a lot and this won't change my opinion of the man at all.

Its not really what WE think is a big deal..its what Goodell thinks,and lately he has been stomping his weight around the league,thats what worries me here for the coaching staff of the team.

 

[Frezo]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

Its not really what WE think is a big deal..its what Goodell thinks,and lately he has been stomping his weight around the league,thats what worries me here for the coaching staff of the team.

First it's what the feds think. Vicodin is a federally regulated scedule 3 controlled substance. The alleged stealing and possession of 130 is a federal crime. If the DEA gets involved it could get nasty.
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[Sivy]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

House took them pills, not the saints.

 

[Kontradiction]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

Painkillergate.

 

[Brady2Welker]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

I'm not very knowledgeable about prescription drugs, so excuse me if I'm wrong - but isn't Vicodin simply a painkiller?

And what the frig is wrong with taking a couple?!

Good Lord. Hopefully this gets laughed out of court.

It's a [relatively] powerful narcotic, they're illegal to have without a prescription, they can be combined with other illegal drugs to amplify effect as well.

 

[RobAllan]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

It's a [relatively] powerful narcotic, they're illegal to have without a prescription, they can be combined with other illegal drugs to amplify effect as well.

Yes, these mixtures really enhance the taste of chicken mcnuggets too. So if you're a McDonald's fan-- hang out with Sean Payton.

Sorry-- in a mood that it's already Sunday. Not ready for work tomorrow.

 

[Kontradiction]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

Colts fans are probably going to cry that the Saints only won the Super Bowl because they were impervious to pain now.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merged)

Colts fans are probably going to cry that the Saints only won the Super Bowl because they were impervious to pain now.

Kleenex should have bid on the naming rights for the Colts new stadium.

I don't think there's much substance here, but we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully it doesn't go the route of Spygate, where all sorts of outlandish accusations are made but little evidence produced, but the commish feeling obligated to create a penalty to avoid further bad press on the league.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

OT: Sean Payton implicated in drug theft from Saints drug locker

This was reported on the AP wire late last night and picked up by ESPN.

This will be a big story, one way or the other, and so I am putting it out here. I hasten to observe that it could be the fabrication of a disgruntled former employee (also ex FBI agent). However, he is risking everything to bring this forward, as the Feds tend not to be nice to people who make false allegations of criminal conspiracies.

Both Payton and the Saints have denied the allegations (link below).

The "pills" in question are, according to the article, Vicodin.

"...Payton allegedly was allowed to take a large quantity of pills from the team supply, and another staff member allegedly stole pills. No allegations were made against any Saints players..."

Personally, I hope this isn't true as Payton and the Saints are and have been great for the entire league. But, I can't help but wonder how much bigger the headlines would be if BB were named in something half this serious.



Report: Coach Sean Payton one of two New Orleans Saints employees named in lawsuit - ESPN

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: OT: Sean Payton implicated in drug theft from Saints drug locker

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...coach-accused-stealing-teams-painkillers.html

 

[fgssand]

Re: OT: Sean Payton implicated in drug theft from Saints drug locker

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...coach-accused-stealing-teams-painkillers.html

It is clearly evident that the Saints must be stripped of their championship now or at least an asterisk placed beside the title.

Obviously, Payton was under the influence of narcotics as he coached that game and the season......for example, .now the decision to go with an on sides kick to start the 2nd half makes sense as does all his other winning ways during the season.

He had an unfair edge that the rest of the coaches did not have all year.......

Clearly, this is the case,

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

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Colts fans are probably going to cry that the Saints only won the Super Bowl because they were impervious to pain now.

That's funny!

 

[pherein]

Re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merg

Katrina might have destroyed a huge portion of your city years ago, but it did not take away the heart,love and the will of its residents to get it back to where it was before those winds and rain took the city to the depths of despair and today's N.O. shows little to no effect of those days,at least from what I see on TV and in the news.

Your city has come too far and worked too hard to have something like this bring that city down after such a joyous championship celebration just 3 months removed.

Your city,your fellow fans and the New Orleans Saints will get by this just like we got by Spygate and the loss of an undefeated season....

I do hope this gets no disciplanary action from within the league and your coaches are proven innocent.

We survived here....You will survive as well

Thanks, means allot PATRIOTSFANINPA, it amazes me sometimes how great the patriot nation is as a people and a fan base, I think we all can learn as fans in the NFL and Americans something from what you guys have up there in Foxboro. I remember the unfounded attack on BB in spygate and the class in which it was handled by your team. I will use that as my fulcrum of thought in the next coming weeks.

This is the undying thread at the saints site covering this

Suit accuses Saints of covering up narcotics theft **MEGA MERGED** - SaintsReport Community Forums

DEA probe
http://saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161903

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merg

I knew this would break big

My position is not complicated on this matter. Benson,loomis,SP and the Saints organization have devoted more than any team, I know of, in the history of the NFL to helping its people and supporting a rebuild on their free time. They have commited and proved they are true in my mind.

I do not know Mr. Santini or any time I have heard his name to help the city in his off time.

I will believe in the Saints good character because they have proven it to me, with deeds,and not talk. I dont care that they won the Super Bowl. Every day Brees,Sp,Benson,Loomis, and the Saints preached to help the community and they delivered from 2006-Now. They have put millions into our communities and built along side us as friends.

My position is not complicated. They were there for me, and us, as New England was when we ready need help, now Im there for them.

I dont care what the accusations are, they must be proven in a court of law, and until that happens, I support the Saints because when we really needed them, they were there as you were.

Only facts I know is loomis told Mr. Santini after seeing the tape " this is not a criminal matter"

I used to think that "truth, justice and the American way" always prevailed. I was disavowed of that a long time ago and so only viewed the unfair evisceration of Bill Belichick and the Patriots during Spygate as part of a corruption that I had accepted a long time ago.

I like what the Saints did not only for NO, but for the NFL this year. I'm a big fan of Sean Payton. I (very sincerely) hope the organization and its HC come out of this unscathed.

But, Vicodin is a Schedule III drug, regulated under the Controlled Substances Act. That's all "blah, blah, blah," except that illicit possession is a felony and covering up an attempt at illicit possession is a further felony. It's powerful stuff and sought by many. I was once prescribed a bunch after a very unpleasant dental procedure; I took one as the anesthetic wore off that night, took another the next morning, experienced how "goooood" it was and promptly threw the rest away.

So, either this guy Santini is nuts and, as a former FBI agent, is leading the feds on a wild goose chase, which he would know wouldn't make them very happy, or there is something to the story.

The fact that he has been "blacklisted" in the NFL is a neutral fact to me, as it can either confirm that he is a bad guy or it can mean that he is being punished for breaking some sort of code.

 

[pherein]

Re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merg

I used to think that "truth, justice and the American way" always prevailed. I was disavowed of that a long time ago and so only viewed the unfair evisceration of Bill Belichick and the Patriots during Spygate as part of a corruption that I had accepted a long time ago.

I like what the Saints did not only for NO, but for the NFL this year. I'm a big fan of Sean Payton. I (very sincerely) hope the organization and its HC come out of this unscathed.

But, Vicodin is a Schedule III drug, regulated under the Controlled Substances Act. That's all "blah, blah, blah," except that illicit possession is a felony and covering up an attempt at illicit possession is a further felony. It's powerful stuff and sought by many. I was once prescribed a bunch after a very unpleasant dental procedure; I took one as the anesthetic wore off that night, took another the next morning, experienced how "goooood" it was and promptly threw the rest away.

So, either this guy Santini is nuts and, as a former FBI agent, is leading the feds on a wild goose chase, which he would know wouldn't make them very happy, or there is something to the story.

The fact that he has been "blacklisted" in the NFL is a neutral fact to me, as it can either confirm that he is a bad guy or it can mean that he is being punished for breaking some sort of code.

I believe what Ive pieced together is Vitt accepted responsibility for stealing the drugs, but loomis did not want to prosecute and sent him to rehab, Vitt (LB coach) is in constant pain because of a medical condition, and a close friend of Paytons. Much like Vilmas, I am guessing, he has crones, its why the jets let him go.
Santini did not like what loomis decided and talked to the NFL security, loomis yelled at him for this, and said it was a personal and not criminal matter.
Santini was blacklisted by the NFL because he went above loomis to the NFL, so I dont really know a team that would hire a guy that would not clear what he was going to do with the head office before he talked to a NFL security agent. I dont think the saints are blacklisting him.
Santini made an offer to the Saints for some unknown moneys to keep this out of court, and the Saints refused.
You know loomis he wont even pay D.Sharper
Payton was not involed in this at all, except for a side coach patton who said " payton was talked to and is not taking pills anymore", or close to that effect. No one knows what this means because payton is not even implicated.
Their is a matter of loomis changing the supply records but I dont know if thats true.

This is all conjecture of course.

There is only one person that knows the Saints as much as SP,loomis, etc, and thats Brees, and he will not lie. If they are hiding something and hes called to testify.. well. Walking up to Brees and asking him to not say what he saw would be a huge mistake, I believe.

But I dont think anything was done wrong, in the south personal matters are personal matters, I dont believe we are quite to the Law, but we do believe in, a person deserves their own dignity and things should be keep private.
This just might be a case of were southern ways of doing things and the federal law collide.
I dont know if we are ready to have our heros hurt, man we love football, America, and the indomitable spirit called life.
We don't want anything hidden we want the truth, truth is Saints are New Orleans.

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merg

Pherein, I've enjoyed your posts and my wife and a bunch of friends were in NOLA for the game right after Thanksgiving. As I've stated here before, we couldn't have been treated more graciously by your city and your fans. But what you are beginning to experience is the enmity which invariably follows SB winners, particularly those which are popular when they win (as the Pats were in '01). Your team is good, your fans are good, your coach is good and the rest of the NFL fans have had enough of you. Welcome to our world.

Same experience and same thought. Well said Jackson.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merg

I believe what Ive pieced together is Vitt accepted responsibility for stealing the drugs, but loomis did not want to prosecute and sent him to rehab, Vitt (LB coach) is in constant pain because of a medical condition, and a close friend of Paytons. Much like Vilmas, I am guessing, he has crones, its why the jets let him go.
Santini did not like what loomis decided and talked to the NFL security, loomis yelled at him for this, and said it was a personal and not criminal matter.
Santini was blacklisted by the NFL because he went above loomis to the NFL, so I dont really know a team that would hire a guy that would not clear what he was going to do with the head office before he talked to a NFL security agent. I dont think the saints are blacklisting him.
Santini made an offer to the Saints for some unknown moneys to keep this out of court, and the Saints refused.
You know loomis he wont even pay D.Sharper
Payton was not involed in this at all, except for a side coach patton who said " payton was talked to and is not taking pills anymore", or close to that effect. No one knows what this means because payton is not even implicated.
Their is a matter of loomis changing the supply records but I dont know if thats true.

This is all conjecture of course.

There is only one person that knows the Saints as much as SP,loomis, etc, and thats Brees, and he will not lie. If they are hiding something and hes called to testify.. well. Walking up to Brees and asking him to not say what he saw would be a huge mistake, I believe.

But I dont think anything was done wrong, in the south personal matters are personal matters, I dont believe we are quite to the Law, but we do believe in, a person deserves their own dignity and things should be keep private.
This just might be a case of were southern ways of doing things and the federal law collide.
I dont know if we are ready to have our heros hurt, man we love football, America, and the indomitable spirit called life.
We don't want anything hidden we want the truth, truth is Saints are New Orleans.

That's probably as clear a recitation of the facts in this case as will be found in any newspaper or web page in the US this morning. Thank you!

Unless this is the tip of an iceberg, a compassionate interpretation of what you present would be that the whole matter should just be able to go away.

The GM treated the removal of the pills like an addiction issue and sent Vitt to rehab; Santini argued it was a criminal matter to report to the authorities.

However, I think the NFL will take this seriously, so I'd be surprised if it was the League that was blacklisting Santini. I had never thought about it before, but it now strikes me as obvious that NFL teams would have large quantities of highly sought-after pain medications and muscle relaxants on hand. (As an aside, I wonder what the legal status of an NFL team's "Drug Locker" actually is. Is it licensed like a pharmacy with a pharmacist? Or, are the drugs in the technical possession of the team physician and treated like drugs in any Doctor's office?)

In any event, with all of those drugs on hand with high propensity for addiction (like Vicodin) and with high street values, the potential for personal or criminal abuse is pretty high. So, the NFL will be all over it, especially if it's been looking for a "Poster Case."

As others have said, welcome to the pinnacle of the NFL. It isn't a very friendly place, as the Pats have discovered. I hope that your team and management isn't scapegoated for being caught at something that happens, in one way or another, on other teams. But, if it is, the media won't let it go and those who are jealous of you will use it to tear you down.

 

[patchick]

Re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merg

Hmm...according to PFT, Santini alerted federal authorities back when he was still with the team in 2009, which would seem to undermine the "he's just bitter that he didn't get to be part of the championship" theory:

DEA exploring Saints drug case | ProFootballTalk.com

 

[TrueBeliever]

Re: OT: Saints HC Sean Payton & LB coach accused of stealing team's painkillers (merg

I just have to say that while I'm not familiar with the symptoms or effects of painkiller abuse myself, Sean Payton sure didn't seem like a guy who was using any kind of drug last season. Wouldn't using those make it pretty difficult to do all the work that a head coach, let alone one whose team went undefeated well into the season, would have to do? You'd think he'd been doing something like cocaine or Ritalin.