Content Post Trade Mankins NOW!!

[RayClay]

Why would anyone give us a top pick for a year of an unsigned guard?

This is not Richard Seymour, and that trade was probably foolish on Davis's part

 

[javajunky]

It's not a crazy idea depending on the player or pick(s) you get in return.

-LG Mankins for WR Marshall or DT Henderson? It would make us a better team on paper. A lot of high character 2010 draft picks could make such a move less risky.

-LG Mankins for multiple picks? Well, that deal really ends up being money and picks. The Kraft budget ($120 million?) could now allow for an extra quality free agent or quality player in a trade. The pick RB Best and WR Branch on top of all other moves wouldn't be at the end of the world.

-Explain to me the big drop off going to: Vollmer, Light, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur? It isn't that bad.

-Light may have a year or two at left tackle, but may last to Brady's retirement as a left guard. An all-pro left guard who can actually pass protect. Yes, Mankins is great, but Light isn't chopped liver.

 

[Brady2Welker]

It's not a crazy idea depending on the player or pick(s) you get in return.

-LG Mankins for WR Marshall or DT Henderson? It would make us a better team on paper. A lot of high character 2010 draft picks could make such a move less risky.

-LG Mankins for multiple picks? Well, that deal really ends up being money and picks. The Kraft budget ($120 million?) could now allow for an extra quality free agent or quality player in a trade. The pick RB Best and WR Branch on top of all other moves wouldn't be at the end of the world.

-Explain to me the big drop off going to: Vollmer, Light, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur? It isn't that bad.

-Light may have a year or two at left tackle, but may last to Brady's retirement as a left guard. An all-pro left guard who can actually pass protect. Yes, Mankins is great, but Light isn't chopped liver.

Factually speaking, when was the last time Light had prolonged snaps at guard to know that he would be decent?

 

[supafly]

A little dramatic in my opinion. I firmly agree with trading Mankins if we can get at least a 2nd rounder for him. Sure Mankins is a Pro Bowler, but he is also going to want to be paid like one. I don't think it is prudent at all to lock up huge money for an interior offensive linemen. We won Superbowls with guys like Andruzzi and Compton at OG. I think with 4 picks in the 2nd and 1 in the 1st, we could find a quality player to groom for LG and pay him a lot less money. As the Pats currently are made up, they have no viable pass rusher and they are very thin at the offensive skill positions. I would much rather take the money that would have gone to Mankins and fill some other holes. I truly believe that OG is one of the easiest positions to fill on a football team, and I don't believe the Pats' success or failure next year hinges on Logan frickin' Mankins. However, if we do not add skill position guys and a couple of pass rushers, it could be a very long season.

FWIW--We have 3 picks in Rd.#2, you may be thinking of last yr

 

[woolster22]

Are you kidding? I'd move light before Mank. I'd have to believe theres more willing to be thrown our way for upper-level LT with 3-4 years left in the tank than an OG, Probowl be damned.

 

[supafly]

Dont get me wrong, I aknowledge he is our best OL but this is his last year as a Patriot. No way to we franchise him next year, I cant see spending precious cap room on a Guard....sorry, I really cant. We are going to need skill positions in '11(Plural-like 3). Light, a team favorite, is capable of playing LG alot better than he can play RT(if you didnt see him on the right side go to the tape-its painful). Vollmer takes LT, Light takes a pay cut, and we max out value on Mankins by trading him on or before the draft. We drafted a G in the 4th that should be a suitable backup this year, and we can draft another in a very deep draft. Just like the Iggles did with McNabb, if you arent going to keep him long term deal him now when he has value....it doesnt hurt that the Lions have talked about needing a guard.....I smell something, smells like Suhy!

First off, there's very little chance our front office is going to trade up with picks in the most valuable round of a deep draft (2nd rd)--especially considering the high probability of a rookie cap next year. Secondly, we just gave a long term deal to Wilfork. Had that not happened, your thinking about moving up for Suh MAY have held a little water. It just doesn't sound like BB to give up highly valuable picks in a very deep draft just to take a chance at #2 + give him one of the teams' biggest deals. Especially with TFB due.


--forget about the franchise tag right now, chances are the team will work out a longer term deal with him this yr, or tag and work an agreement with him like Wilfork. There's no reason to assume we'll have to pay him 10.7 million next year. We worked out fair deals w/ Wilfork and Bodden, no reason to think we can't do the same with Mankins.

--with some possible other holes to fill on the line (guys needing new deals after the yr), we don't want to be in an all-out total rebuilding phase in the offensive trenches all at once

--as many have pointed out, not only would the chance of high compensation be very slim, but there's not any proof at all we'd be able to replace his production. You talk of Ornburger, but how many of us feel confident with him replacing a probowl guard considering we haven't even seen him play yet?

 

[jmt57]

-Explain to me the big drop off going to: Vollmer, Light, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur? It isn't that bad.

The big dropoff is in depth. Nearly every NFL game you see an offensive lineman limping off to the sideline. That's in addition to games linemen are hurt enough that they don't even make the gameday roster. Now take into consideration Neal's recent history, and for that matter Kaczur's too. Now figure in how many times player an NFL o-line are not very effective because they are hurt, but play anyways.

A rotation on both lines that includes backups that represent limited dropoff is not only a big advantage over other teams, it's almost essential for a winning season.

 

[BradyFTW!]

RT, RG, and C are already question marks, so sure, what the hell, let's go and make LG one too.

 

[Deus Irae]

-Explain to me the big drop off going to: Vollmer, Light, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur? It isn't that bad.

It is if you're trying to play NFL football and protect your quarterback.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

If Mankins goes, I want a 2 TE formation on the left side all season

 

[IcyPatriot]

How about we trade all our OL ...

Then we take all our big slow fat guys on the D-Line and move them to the O-Line
- no more QB sack problems.

Then we can draft an entire new crop of D-Linemen who also cannot get to the QB to save their life.

All 31 other teams in the league will always gladly take our baggage and give us great draft picks in return.

All 31 other teams love to watch Belichick have 3-4 picks in the 1st 2 rounds each year.

All the GM's bet each other on Belichick's picks ... think birdies and greenies on the golf course.

:bricks:

 

[patchick]

Unless there is a guaranteed Gene Upshaw in the draft,I would pass

FWIW, I don't have a single LG candidate in this draft rated nearly as highly as I had Mankins in 2005.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

FWIW, I don't have a single LG candidate in this draft rated nearly as highly as I had Mankins in 2005.

Me neither...otherwise I might have said this idea is not totally bonkers

 

[Reckedtrek]

Let me get this straight- the Pats can get good O-line talent in the 4th round and later- even in the 6th and 7th, no problem.

The team we trade Mankins to will give us a top 20 pick for him.



Sure- makes sense. :bricks:

 

[Deus Irae]

Let me get this straight- the Pats can get good O-line talent in the 4th round and later- even in the 6th and 7th, no problem.

The team we trade Mankins to will give us a top 20 pick for him.



Sure- makes sense. :bricks:

They should trade Brady too, since QBs like him can be found in the 6th round.

 

[iapatsfan]

FWIW--We have 3 picks in Rd.#2, you may be thinking of last yr

Please read the post first. I said if we trade him for at least a 2nd. That would give us 4 picks in the 2nd, and I would be elated if we could get a 2nd roung pick for Mankins. I don't believe any team should ever break the bank for an interior offensive linemen. I said in my previous post, and I 100% believe it, OG is the easiest position to fill on a football team. I do not believe this team is going to have success or struggle because of Logan Mankins. Like I said before, the Pats won superbowls with guys like Compton and Andruzzi. I have always thought teams that offer big money to gaurds are foolish (Vikings-Hutchinson, Buffalo-Dockery, Dallas-Davis) and I would think no different of the Pats. The Pats do not have a true pass rusher on D, and they are as thin as they have been in years at the offensive skill positions. Save the $$ you would have spent on Mankins and fill these other holes please.

 

[supafly]

Please read the post first. I said if we trade him for at least a 2nd. That would give us 4 picks in the 2nd, and I would be elated if we could get a 2nd roung pick for Mankins. I don't believe any team should ever break the bank for an interior offensive linemen. I said in my previous post, and I 100% believe it, OG is the easiest position to fill on a football team. I do not believe this team is going to have success or struggle because of Logan Mankins. Like I said before, the Pats won superbowls with guys like Compton and Andruzzi. I have always thought teams that offer big money to gaurds are foolish (Vikings-Hutchinson, Buffalo-Dockery, Dallas-Davis) and I would think no different of the Pats. The Pats do not have a true pass rusher on D, and they are as thin as they have been in years at the offensive skill positions. Save the $$ you would have spent on Mankins and fill these other holes please.

You are right, after re-reading your entire post, I now understand that you were including the "future" 2nd rounder from a trade for Mankins--thus giving us 4.

From someone who makes mistakes all the time, I didn't think it was any big deal, I was just giving you a "FWIW." I apologize for mis-understanding, and understand your point. My bad.

 

[VJCPatriot]

FWIW, I don't have a single LG candidate in this draft rated nearly as highly as I had Mankins in 2005.

How does Iupati rate? Is he more of a LG or an RG?
How about Pouncey? Can he play a Guard position before sliding over to C in 2011?

 

[supafly]

How does Iupati rate? Is he more of a LG or an RG?
How about Pouncey? Can he play a Guard position before sliding over to C in 2011?

Was wondering the same.

 

[BritPat]

This thread is effin' nuts.