Curran: Pats have franchised Wilfork with non-exclusive tag

[emoney_33]

Exactly. The days of the NE Patriots supposedly being the top free agent destination where players will play for less are over. The whole "now nobody will want to come here" whining is complete B.S. Besides, the holes we need to fill should come from the draft and trades (Vince, AD and possibly Maroney and Watson)--not from free agents.

The point is that it never was (not that it is over) this discount stop that people keep pretending it was... Players did not flock here at discount price when we were winning, so I have no idea why people keep saying that it is over? It never existed.

As far as lockerroom chemistry, I don't think losing Vince will change much (unless the Pats aren't even negotiating in good faith, or they totally screw him by asking too much so that a trade never happens).The magic/chemistry from the SB+ years is gone. BB is rebuilding the D from farther down than most of us would want to admit. Time to turn the page.

I think chemistry is largely overplayed and considered backwards. Good lockerroom atmosphere comes from winning, not vice versa and there is no magic.

 

[R_T26]

So if your job offered you 7 mill, and you knew another job would offer you 30 mill but you couldnt get it, would you be upset?

 

[spacecrime]

I wonder if tires will start getting kicked on Vince in Indy. The timing of this could'nt be better for the club. They get a chance to see if any legit interest is out there. Helpful info to have moving forward.

Polian rarely signs FAs. He builds almost excluseively from the draft, and almost brings in players from other teams. If all teams were like the Colts, going into FA would be the same as retiring, because you'd never play another down..

 

[chevss454]

So if your job offered you 7 mill, and you knew another job would offer you 30 mill but you couldnt get it, would you be upset?

He can negotiate with all 31 NFL teams now. He has the opportunity to get whatever anyone will pay. What do you mean?

 

[BritPat]

Polian rarely signs FAs. He builds almost excluseively from the draft, and almost brings in players from other teams. If all teams were like the Colts, going into FA would be the same as retiring, because you'd never play another down..

I think he was implying the Pats will be contacted by other teams at the Combine.....

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: Pats have franchised Wilfork

Scratch this reason. Cassel wasn't traded before the start of FA. IIRC, he was traded on the first day of FA, which was Feb 28 last year. That was the big deal, remember. Everyone said BB should have waited longer.

Of course- officially. I would not be suprised if teams still talked about players, trades, etc. prior to 3/5. I.E establishing framework.

 

[spacecrime]

So if your job offered you 7 mill, and you knew another job would offer you 30 mill but you couldnt get it, would you be upset?

No one is offering Vince 30 mil to play in 2010, sorry. You are comparing one-year guaranteed money to a 5 year guaranteed money.

Vince can still get his $30 mil. He just has to wait a year for it (collecting $7 mil in the process.

The choice Vince has is $30 mil over three years, or $7 mil for this year PLUS $30 mil starting next year.

If my boss said, "I'll give you $7 for one year, and then you can get $30 in addition next year," I think I could find it in my heart to forgive him.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No one is offering Vince 30 mil to play in 2010, sorry. You are comparing one-year guaranteed money to a 5 year guaranteed money.

Vince can still get his $30 mil. He just has to wait a year for it (collecting $7 mil in the process.

The choice Vince has is $30 mil over three years, or $7 mil for this year PLUS $30 mil starting next year.

If my boss said, "I'll give you $7 for one year, and then you can get $30 in addition next year," I think I could find it in my heart to forgive him.

I think he means the lump-sum payment/guaranteed $30m payout.

 

[capetide]

Re: Curran: Pats have franchised Wilfork

Vince was a 3 down player in college playing in a 4-3 system. He doesnt play on 3rd downs because the staff does not want him to ware down since they have no true NT back up on the team.

Yes, I understand, But he's not in college. And it doesnt matter if he COULD play 3 downs or 4 downs for that matter. He doesn't. Doesnt matter if the coaches want to save him from wearing down. Or that there are players who are better in those situations and so he has to sit. He plays two downs. He's a 2 down player. For all I know, Vince can punt. But he doesnt. So they shouldnt pay him extra just because he could.

 

[Mossed]

No one is offering Vince 30 mil to play in 2010, sorry. You are comparing one-year guaranteed money to a 5 year guaranteed money.

Vince can still get his $30 mil. He just has to wait a year for it (collecting $7 mil in the process.

The choice Vince has is $30 mil over three years, or $7 mil for this year PLUS $30 mil starting next year.

If my boss said, "I'll give you $7 for one year, and then you can get $30 in addition next year," I think I could find it in my heart to forgive him.

Your wrong. He's only getting older, and could get injured playing out this year @ 7M. If he does, that 30M will go down. So what he sees is that he already earned it, and now is his best chance to cash in.

AND, the contract he wants probably has a value of over 7M a year

 

[patsinthesnow]

Wow, just got home, shocked. Deep down, I thought a deal will easily be made.

Trade?

I mean, if we get Cody, then Cody, Pryor, Brace would be good depth, not as good as Vince though.

 

[Mossed]

I hope the pats wouldnt go higher than 5 year 60M 30 guaranteed. That seems fair enough to me, compared to what he wants in Madden 10 lol. Its like 7 year 92M in Madden 10 to re sign him

 

[patsfanboy]

Is it possible that they are waiting to see if there is a uncap year for sure? then they can check if it is more valuable for the team to either trade or pay the man.

 

[zimmy]

I hope the pats wouldnt go higher than 5 year 60M 30 guaranteed. That seems fair enough to me, compared to what he wants in Madden 10 lol. Its like 7 year 92M in Madden 10 to re sign him

60m with 30m guaranteed is an absurd amount to pay Vince Wilfork. When James Harrison was reigning DPOY he signed a 50m contract with 20m guaranteed. That was for a gamechanger and a guy who was voted the best defensive player in the league.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Is it possible that they are waiting to see if there is a uncap year for sure? then they can check if it is more valuable for the team to either trade or pay the man.

There is a better chance of Wilfork fitting in Pants with a size 34 inch waist then there is of a cap in place in 2 weeks

 

[slash83]

I wonder how with the Pats applying the tag how it will affect the pursue of high priced free agents such as Peppers or Dansby.

 

[patsfan-1982]

High character is rewarded in life, but doesn't always give you the best bottom-dollar number in business. I admire Wilfork's character, and I understand the Patriots business approach.

The guy is a millionaire, I'm not going to "feel bad" because the guy isn't absolutely maximizing his profits. How many of us are maximizing our profits? How many of us don't deserve more money? How many other professions will never earn what they should simply because salaries are more or less determined by the supply and demand curve. Millions of underpaid workers spend a percentage of their money to create such a high demand that allows a select few like Wilfork to earn 20-30 times more than they would have otherwise in their lives.

i agree i can't fell to bad for him 7 million a year that about 400k per game most people don't make half that in a year. so ya thats not a slap in the face.

 

[mgteich]

If no one is willing to trade for him, he should be glad to be getting the $7M.

He is screwed if the the patriots are not willing to take the compensation offered by the team that WIlfork has negotiated with.

Vince doesn't need permission to talk to other teams under the non exclusive tag. If he signs an offer sheet we can match the deal or take two firsts. What usually happens is the player brings the new team and his present team together to do a trade compensation deal. If they can agree, he then signs his tag and is traded. If no one is willing to trade for him...well, then he is screwed...

 

[yopats]

If no one is willing to trade for him, he should be glad to be getting the $7M.

He is screwed if the the patriots are not willing to take the compensation offered by the team that WIlfork has negotiated with.

I can envision a scenario where either KC / Den / Seattle would look at giving up a low 1st and 2nd for him..

 

[Triumph]

If no one is willing to trade for him, he should be glad to be getting the $7M.

He is screwed if the the patriots are not willing to take the compensation offered by the team that WIlfork has negotiated with.

Absolutely.

A team that wanted to screw NE could offer him a crazy contract, but not fork over the picks. Wilfork would really be sour after missing out on a pot of gold.