Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team....

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

MVP
Peyton Manning Colts
Drew Brees has a superb running game, Manning does not.

Don't you guys love my name?

Deus has done a good job of arguing with you on the stats, so I'll be silent on that.

To me the bottom line between Peyton and Tommy is that we're talking about two exceptional quarterbacks: one has put up surreal regular season stats, has won a boatload of League MVP's and has gone to and won one Super Bowl; the other has put up great regular season stats but hasn't been as prolific a passer over his entire career as the other, has won (only) one League MVP, but has gone to four Super Bowls and has won three of them.

So, how do you choose between two of the greatest ever to play the game? This debate has been going on since Marino/Montana decades ago.

Even before the Brady/Manning debate, I always put Joe over Dan because NFL football is the ultimate team game, because the QB is the most important player on the field, and so the QB who takes his team to the championship more often gets the edge. So, I give the edge to Brady, but I'm hardly a disinterested observer.

But others see it differently and I really don't see the point in arguing about it. We're arguing about small differences between two players who will both be in Canton and who, between them, will have defined an entire era of the NFL's history. The Steelers have been great but Big Ben has never been viewed as the dominant guy that Brady and P. Manning both are. When people speak about this time in NFL history, they will call it the Brady/Manning era, much as Bradshaw and Staubach, Marino and Montana have defined other eras.

So, I guess I just don't know why you're making such a big deal out of trying to prove to us that Peyton is superior, unless, of course, you really are bothered by the fact that Brady is defined by those four trips to the big game, his three rings and his two SB MVP's and Peyton is primarily defined by his regular season performance.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Again, you're reading what I'm posting, but you're not comprehending.

For the 2nd time, "The lack of a postseason run defense (172ypg given up in the 8 losses) has minimized total possessions, TOP, yards, and ultimately points for the Colts offense.."

I'm comprehending fine. Look, just because you keep trotting out nonsense, you expect people to buy into it. Life doesn't work that way. You're making stupid arguments and getting called on them. When Manning is throwing at 45, 53 and 45 for completion percentages, you don't get to blame the Colt's run defense, since his inaccuracy is a big part of the problem.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Wrong about what?

Let me simplify it for you.

-If it was all about TD's thrown, Brady wouldn't have won in 01'.
-If it was all about INT's, Manning never would've won a SB and Brady would've lost to the Chargers the last in 06 and 07'.
-If it was all about QB rating, Inspiteofberger wouldn't have won the SB in 2005.

tu' comprende?

I've comprehended from the beginning. It's not my fault your arguments suck even worse than Manning in the postseason.

 

[4xMVP]

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Greatest QB of all time, now there is an overstatement if I ever heard one!

I think I have a legitimate argument.

But of course if we're going by Super Bowls wins, my vote goes to Terry Bradshaw. :singing:

 

[4xMVP]

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Deus has done a good job of arguing with you on the stats, so I'll be silent on that.

To me the bottom line between Peyton and Tommy is that we're talking about two exceptional quarterbacks: one has put up surreal regular season stats, has won a boatload of League MVP's and has gone to and won one Super Bowl; the other has put up great regular season stats but hasn't been as prolific a passer over his entire career as the other, has won (only) one League MVP, but has gone to four Super Bowls and has won three of them.

So, how do you choose between two of the greatest ever to play the game? This debate has been going on since Marino/Montana decades ago.

Even before the Brady/Manning debate, I always put Joe over Dan because NFL football is the ultimate team game, because the QB is the most important player on the field, and so the QB who takes his team to the championship more often gets the edge. So, I give the edge to Brady, but I'm hardly a disinterested observer.

But others see it differently and I really don't see the point in arguing about it. We're arguing about small differences between two players who will both be in Canton and who, between them, will have defined an entire era of the NFL's history. The Steelers have been great but Big Ben has never been viewed as the dominant guy that Brady and P. Manning both are. When people speak about this time in NFL history, they will call it the Brady/Manning era, much as Bradshaw and Staubach, Marino and Montana have defined other eras.

So, I guess I just don't know why you're making such a big deal out of trying to prove to us that Peyton is superior, unless, of course, you really are bothered by the fact that Brady is defined by those four trips to the big game, his three rings and his two SB MVP's and Peyton is primarily defined by his regular season performance.

You will always think Brady is superior, and I'll alway think Manning is superior. There will be no changing that.

The only opinion that is relevant is the rest of America.

 

[4xMVP]

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I'm comprehending fine. Look, just because you keep trotting out nonsense, you expect people to buy into it. Life doesn't work that way. You're making stupid arguments and getting called on them. When Manning is throwing at 45, 53 and 45 for completion percentages, you don't get to blame the Colt's run defense, since his inaccuracy is a big part of the problem.

I would love to think the Colts could just go out and put up 400 yards of offense and 27 points on the scoreboard in just a measley 14:53 of TOP like they did earlier in the year down in Miami, but that's just not being a realist.

 

[BradyManny]

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You will always think Brady is superior, and I'll alway think Manning is superior. There will be no changing that.

The only opinion that is relevant is the rest of America.

I could care less what the "rest of America" cares about on a lot of things, least of all Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady. It's been well-established that the middle of the country loves Peyton Manning - despite being born into success & money, poor under pressure, being a bad teammate, a perpetual whiner, and a guy who sexually harasses his college nurses - America just loves a good goober.

 

[4xMVP]

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I could care less what the "rest of America" cares about on a lot of things, least of all Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady. It's been well-established that the middle of the country loves Peyton Manning - despite being born into success & money, poor under pressure, being a bad teammate, a perpetual whiner, and a guy who sexually harasses his college nurses - America just loves a good goober.

Now you're using his public relations skills as to why America thinks he's the better QB?

 

[Deus Irae]

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I would love to think the Colts could just go out and put up 400 yards of offense and 27 points on the scoreboard in just a measley 14:53 of TOP like they did earlier in the year down in Miami, but that's just not being a realist.

TOP is not why he only put up 3 points against New England in 2004. It's not why he put up the goose egg against the Jets in 2002.

In 2003, the TOP was 32-28, which is not exactly overwhelming domination.

Seriously, you should probably stop digging before you piss off the Chinese.

 

[BradyManny]

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Now you're using his public relations skills as to why America thinks he's the better QB?

You do realize this is the same America where the likes of Britney Spears & Miley Cyrus become considered the best at what they do. I don't think this country is much more discerning when it comes to sports. Among other things.

 

[#12G.O.A.T]

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Deuse don't even bother replying to him, he's a troll who hasn't given any stats or factual evidence like you and you would be better of ignoring him instead of wasting your time. As for this mideseason awards crap all i gotta say is that the keyword is MIDSEASON. That's right the season is only half-over. And you know what the thing that jumps out at me is that despite coming back from a sever injury that some take years to fully recover and after a sub-par first quarter of the season brady has the same amount of TD's and INT and has similar number across the board. He also has the same arguments that manning has in no running game, and injuries/ turnover at defense. If he can keep this going for the rest of the year and if the pats end up with a better or same record as the colts i wouldn't be surprised to see him end up with the MVP. Of course i really don't care about who gets it as long as brady gets the one that matters which is SB MVP.

 

[4xMVP]

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Deuse don't even bother replying to him, he's a troll who hasn't given any stats or factual evidence like you and you would be better of ignoring him instead of wasting your time. As for this mideseason awards crap all i gotta say is that the keyword is MIDSEASON. That's right the season is only half-over. And you know what the thing that jumps out at me is that despite coming back from a sever injury that some take years to fully recover and after a sub-par first quarter of the season brady has the same amount of TD's and INT and has similar number across the board. He also has the same arguments that manning has in no running game, and injuries/ turnover at defense. If he can keep this going for the rest of the year and if the pats end up with a better or same record as the colts i wouldn't be surprised to see him end up with the MVP. Of course i really don't care about who gets it as long as brady gets the one that matters which is SB MVP.

Meh, Patriot fans never really have been "stat" people.

I've been brainwashed over the years by Pats fans to think stats are meaningless....

 

[4xMVP]

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You do realize this is the same America where the likes of Britney Spears & Miley Cyrus become considered the best at what they do. I don't think this country is much more discerning when it comes to sports. Among other things.

And then when people like Ron Jaworski and Trent Dilfer refer to Peyton Manning as the greatest QB to ever play, Pats fans have the nerve to call them idiots.

Who's right? who's wrong,?

 

[4xMVP]

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TOP is not why he only put up 3 points against New England in 2004. It's not why he put up the goose egg against the Jets in 2002.

In 2003, the TOP was 32-28, which is not exactly overwhelming domination.

Seriously, you should probably stop digging before you piss off the Chinese.

You make Peyton's poor playoff performances the rule, I make them the exception...which is what's it's been for the last six years.

 

[BradyManny]

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And then when people like Ron Jaworski and Trent Dilfer refer to Peyton Manning as the greatest QB to ever play, Pats fans have the nerve to call them idiots.

Who's right? who's wrong,?

Not sure I've heard Jaws or Diler say that. Both have high praise for Brady as well.

I'm not trying to sit here and say Peyton Manning isn't one of the all-time great QBs. It'd be foolish to argue otherwise. However, his playoff record prohibits him from being considered the greatest of all time, and I believe that rather firmly.

And as for the simple popularity & perception of the two - again, I say that the perception of both Brady & Peyton has to be taken with a grain of salt, for the aforementioned lack of taste the general populace has. The media has created personas for these guys which influence how people view them.

 

[BradyFTW!]

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You will always think Brady is superior, and I'll alway think Manning is superior. There will be no changing that.

The only opinion that is relevant is the rest of America.

Well, the rest of the NFL (you know, the folks who are most qualified to have a legit opinion) prefers Brady:

NFL coaches prefer Brady over Manning - Hashmarks - ESPN

 

[Synovia]

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I feel like King is trying to be too clever here.


Theres a lot of rookies on that list that are good players, but nowhere near the best at their position.


Dumerville is a nice little find/conversion, and hes a great passrusher, but hes nowhere near the complete package that Suggs or Ware is.

 

[Synovia]

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Well, the rest of the NFL (you know, the folks who are most qualified to have a legit opinion) prefers Brady:

The same rest of the NFL that sent Favre to the probowl last year? The same guys who made Vince Young a probowler?

 

[BradyFTW!]

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The same rest of the NFL that sent Favre to the probowl last year? The same guys who made Vince Young a probowler?

No, it was a survey of NFL head coaches. 29 out of 32 responded.

In the future, feel free to actually read the links that are posted

 

[letekro]

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I feel like King is trying to be too clever here.


Theres a lot of rookies on that list that are good players, but nowhere near the best at their position.


Dumerville is a nice little find/conversion, and hes a great passrusher, but hes nowhere near the complete package that Suggs or Ware is.

At the bottom it says he tried to acknowledge new players.